p.5 #2 · Official: Canon Announces the EOS 6D Mark II
curious80 wrote:
For those who find the upgrade underwhelming, are there any specific upgrades you were looking for which did not happen?
The two major upgrades in DSLRs tend to be on the sensor and AF side. The move to 45-point all-cross AF is certainly a significant upgrade removing the only major limitation of the original 6D and elevating it close to the Nikon D750 level which has been a very popular body. While sensor performance is yet unknown, based on recent Canon sensors, it would be fair to expect a fairly good upgrade in sensor performance as well. Then there are other goodies like upgraded metering system, good touch screen etc.
On video side, the dual pixel AF is a much more practical upgrade than 4K which sounds impressive on paper but has limited actual used for most users of a camera like 6D.
All in all the upgrades bring the 6D line to a point where it should serve the needs of most of the FF users very very well unless you have very specific professional needs like a 1DxII class AF or 5DRs class resolution, or you are a serious filmmaker who needs professional video options....Show more →
Your reference to the D750 is part of my few issues with canon/this camera. It's coming out almost 3 full years behind and offers nothing that couldn't/shouldn't have come out 3 years ago.
Dont get me wrong some of the features this camera has will make it a good seller. I absolutely love the flippy/touch screen. The lack of 4K doesn't really bother me for my uses ( I rarely shoot video), but it should be in there when you can get it in almost everything else now days.
The 1/4000 lock to me is beyond just stupid. When even crop camera's can have 1/8000. Same with the 1/180 flash sync. Even the fn rebel series gets a faster sync speed. Neither of these things would have cost them anything at all to add. Instead I bet it cost them more money to cripple them as it would have to leave it the same as other camera's.
I am sure in canons mind gimping this camera to get you to spend more to upgrade to the higher end camera's. Some people will do that, but all it has me wondering is if I am going to spend 2K on a entry level FF why not spend a couple hundred more and get a sony A7Rii that doesnt have all its features crippled out.
p.5 #5 · Official: Canon Announces the EOS 6D Mark II
With respect to 4K, who here actually shoots, processes and exports 4K video from a DSLR?
I confess i don't give a crap about video in my camera. I do have a 4K TV though (55 inch) and i've yet to acquire any 4K content to watch on it. 1080p looks amazing on it, so i've never even considered upgrading to 4K netflix, even though i am one of those lucky enough to have cable connection capable of streaming it.
p.5 #6 · Official: Canon Announces the EOS 6D Mark II
This is certainly an interesting camera to consider as a replacement for my 5D MKII. While not as exciting as other models, I think this would be a nice upgrade.
p.5 #7 · Official: Canon Announces the EOS 6D Mark II
Dhphoto and Arbitrage echo my sentiments well: if we are looking at camera purchases in terms of ROI, the return is generally terrible for three main reasons:
(1) Mid and top level Canon camera bodies are grossly overpriced, and IMO so is 6DII.
(2) Generation-to-generation camera improvements are usually miniscule, or even irrelevant for still photography.
(3) If the shooting technique remains constant, then the results are often invariant of camera upgrades.
Keeping our old gear, as well as focusing our efforts on betterment of our photography skills, gives us a much higher return than any fancy new camera we might buy.
I do not desire to tinkle on your 6DII festivities, just offering a counter point to those that might wish to consider it.
p.5 #8 · Official: Canon Announces the EOS 6D Mark II
Scoobert wrote:
Your reference to the D750 is part of my few issues with canon/this camera. It's coming out almost 3 full years behind and offers nothing that couldn't/shouldn't have come out 3 years ago.
Dont get me wrong some of the features this camera has will make it a good seller. I absolutely love the flippy/touch screen. The lack of 4K doesn't really bother me for my uses ( I rarely shoot video), but it should be in there when you can get it in almost everything else now days.
The 1/4000 lock to me is beyond just stupid. When even crop camera's can have 1/8000. Same with the 1/180 flash sync. Even the fn rebel series gets a faster sync speed. Neither of these things would have cost them anything at all to add. Instead I bet it cost them more money to cripple them as it would have to leave it the same as other camera's.
I am sure in canons mind gimping this camera to get you to spend more to upgrade to the higher end camera's. Some people will do that, but all it has me wondering is if I am going to spend 2K on a entry level FF why not spend a couple hundred more and get a sony A7Rii that doesnt have all its features crippled out....Show more →
I agree on the lack of 1/8000 and X sync, I would like it to be better, but I disagree with your comparisons:
* The f-in Rebels have APS-C sensors = APS-C shutters = much smaller distance for the shutter blades to cover = same linear speed gives better X sync. And it is not all APS-C bodies that get better than 1/200 x-sync, much like it is more of the norm for many manufacturers to be "creative" with their X-Sync. E.g. the A7R II is known not to sync 1/250s with most studio strobes, while most Canon's and Nikon with 1/250s sync speed do. The 5D3 was also known to not really achieve the rated 1/200s reliably and many people were settling for 1/180 or 1/160s to make sure, so it is not a "Sony thing".
* Same as above for 1/4000 speed. But I agree, whey should be able to give us 1/8000, it is easier than a higher x-sync, and the 6DII already has the x-sync of the 5D3 = same max linear speed shutter. 1/8000 should be there.
I am trying to say that there are weaknesses and "omitted" fineprints in the paper specs that even the field in some ways.
15Bit wrote:
With respect to 4K, who here actually shoots, processes and exports 4K video from a DSLR?
I confess i don't give a crap about video in my camera. I do have a 4K TV though (55 inch) and i've yet to acquire any 4K content to watch on it. 1080p looks amazing on it, so i've never even considered upgrading to 4K netflix, even though i am one of those lucky enough to have cable connection capable of streaming it.
People shoot 4K even on their phones...although even 1080p from phones doesn't look anything like 1080p from a larger camera unless the light is perfect...they just want it to be "there, in case" and of course for e-peen.
Ppl that seriously shoot 4K for movies or Youtube and whatnot, have been into panasonic & Sony long time now, and Nikon's 4K is meh,so ... no DSLRs.
If the 6D II had 4K, but was 1.6x crop (lesser density than the 5D4, so would be less of a crop probably) and with M.JPEG people would still complain that they gave them unusable 4K or gimped UWA capabilities etc...
People just don't want to face the truth: Canon is not giving us a new FF 4K sensor on a DSLR anymore.
There was one, the 1DC. All its Cinema EOS line is built around Super35, not FF 35mm, and the 4K capable DSLRs are shooting @ ~1.3x (1DX II) and ~1.7x (5D4) with still-extraction and not film production in mind.
Simply put, Canon might never give the 4K crowd you what you want, which really sounds like a A7S II, or you can hope for a magic lantern (divine) intervention!
At least you get usable real time AF in video and a touch screen to assist you, which you don't with any current Sony model
p.5 #10 · Official: Canon Announces the EOS 6D Mark II
arbitrage wrote:
I agree with your dilemma....2017 will continue to see me divest more of my Canon gears and none shall be added in the foreseeable future.....possibly never....which is sort of sad
What are you specifically looking for in NEW camera bodies, independent of vendor?
p.5 #12 · Official: Canon Announces the EOS 6D Mark II
PetKal wrote:
The new 6DII complicates my gear acquisition decision making process and it deepens the dilemma, i.e.,:
(1) Do I refrain from purchasing a new Canon camera until 2019 ?
OR....
(2) Do I forget about buying any new Canon camera ever again ?
My opinion Peter is wait till 2019. We all get caught up in the new model hoopla. However, if "resistance is futile" then....
For me, the 1dx II, 5DsR and 7D II are way more than enough for me. I'm rounding things out with a few more glass purchases and then that's it for me. Time then to develop skills and composition and not be bothered by the next shiny new spoon.
p.5 #13 · Official: Canon Announces the EOS 6D Mark II
PetKal wrote:
Dhphoto and Arbitrage echo my sentiments well: if we are looking at camera purchases in terms of ROI, the return is generally terrible for three main reasons:
(1) Mid and top level Canon camera bodies are grossly overpriced, and IMO so is 6DII.
(2) Generation-to-generation camera improvements are usually miniscule, or even irrelevant for still photography.
(3) If the shooting technique remains constant, then the results are often invariant of camera upgrades.
Keeping our old gear, as well as focusing our efforts on betterment of our photography skills, gives us a much higher return than any fancy new camera we might buy.
I do not desire to tinkle on your 6DII festivities, just offering a counter point to those that might wish to consider it....Show more →
As someone who has until recently used a EOS M's for (small aspects of) quite highly paid work (now an M3 which isn't hugely better) I have simply found that used carefully even the geriatric 18 meg APS-C sensor Canon bunged in almost everything for years still turns out results that can look very good indeed.
Gear is SO GOOD now what we want is becoming much more significant a factor than what we need
p.5 #14 · Official: Canon Announces the EOS 6D Mark II
Lauchlan Toal wrote:
Unfortunately it seems to still have only one card slot, a lower coverage viewfinder, no built in flash, worse AF (though much better than before), no headphone jack, and to top it all off it costs more than the D750. Though it does have some advantages, like what looks like a larger RAW buffer if shooting both in 14 bit uncompressed mode, slightly more resolution, the touch screen, dual pixel AF, and a larger native ISO range (hopefully corresponding good ISO quality).
I'm trying to figure out your statement about having worse AF than the D750 (unless I'm reading it wrong). The D750 has 51 AF points, only the center 15 of those AF points are cross type. The 6DII have 47 AF points, and ALL of them are cross type. The D750 only has 5 AF points that will AF at minimum f/8 aperture, while the 6DII has 27. All things considered, the 6DII is going to have much more accurate peripheral AF points (I haven't yet found the EV rating for the peripheral points, but the center point is -3 EV). And if using live view, the dual pixel AF blows away anything Nikon has. All other aspects of your post I agree with. The D750 offers some things the 6DII doesn't (nothing that is really useful to me or would cause me to switch), and the 6DII offers some things the D750 doesn't.
Hopefully the 6DII does get some price cuts soon though - unless the D750 goes back up to MRSP the 6DII will have some difficulty competing with it. Or perhaps the 6DII has a trick up its sleeve like unprecedented high ISO performance, time will tell.
I have my doubts about this. Maybe for people just entering the full-frame world who aren't heavily invested in Canon lenses (or only have EF-S) lenses, otherwise I don't see how a few hundred dollars would sway any Canon user toward the D750 over the 6DII.
p.5 #15 · Official: Canon Announces the EOS 6D Mark II
When he said "resistance is futile," it was in reference to the - dare I say... no, I won't - practice of calling the 5D "5Dc" or "5DC" (and now, to our horror, calling the 6D "6Dc"), not resistance to buying the newest camera.
p.5 #16 · Official: Canon Announces the EOS 6D Mark II
+1
PetKal wrote:
Dhphoto and Arbitrage echo my sentiments well: if we are looking at camera purchases in terms of ROI, the return is generally terrible for three main reasons:
(1) Mid and top level Canon camera bodies are grossly overpriced, and IMO so is 6DII.
(2) Generation-to-generation camera improvements are usually miniscule, or even irrelevant for still photography.
(3) If the shooting technique remains constant, then the results are often invariant of camera upgrades.
Keeping our old gear, as well as focusing our efforts on betterment of our photography skills, gives us a much higher return than any fancy new camera we might buy.
I do not desire to tinkle on your 6DII festivities, just offering a counter point to those that might wish to consider it....Show more →
p.5 #17 · Official: Canon Announces the EOS 6D Mark II
AvianScott wrote:
I'm trying to figure out your statement about having worse AF than the D750 (unless I'm reading it wrong). The D750 has 51 AF points, only the center 15 of those AF points are cross type. The 6DII have 47 AF points, and ALL of them are cross type. The D750 only has 5 AF points that will AF at minimum f/8 aperture, while the 6DII has 27. All things considered, the 6DII is going to have much more accurate peripheral AF points (I haven't yet found the EV rating for the peripheral points, but the center point is -3 EV). And if using live view, the dual pixel AF blows away anything Nikon has. All other aspects of your post I agree with. The D750 offers some things the 6DII doesn't (nothing that is really useful to me or would cause me to switch), and the 6DII offers some things the D750 doesn't. ...Show more →
Yeah, on paper the AF looks at least as good, but I've heard from people who've used the 80D and D7200 that the D7200 system is better - so if the 6DII system is the same as the 80D system, the D750 should have an advantage too. I've not tested it myself though, and I'm not entirely sure if the person who used both used just the centermost points or outer ones too - more stuff to look into and keep an eye out for.
) ... gotta be the biggest jump in usable ISO ever made. 
