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p.32 #1 · Official: Canon Announces the EOS 6D Mark II


The right answer is under the link
https://i.gyazo.com/c62c8fc46ccf75672426f2f34e4305c6.jpg

IMHO 6D file has less level of noise and more acuity.

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Jul 09, 2017 at 02:58 AM
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p.32 #2 · Official: Canon Announces the EOS 6D Mark II


:/

I'm hoping this is some kind of unforseen issue somewhere with something and not correct or what is going to be sold into the market.



Jul 09, 2017 at 03:01 AM
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p.32 #3 · Official: Canon Announces the EOS 6D Mark II


RobDickinson wrote:
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I'm hoping this is some kind of unforseen issue somewhere with something and not correct or what is going to be sold into the market.


I think the issue is as simple as words "good enough". Why does Canon have to push limits if sale numbers of original 6D are very high and people buy the new model anyway?
5D III was blamed for so-so censor IQ - Canon solved.
6D was blamed for so-so AF module - Canon solved.
No one asked for better censor IQ in 6D (our naïve expectations are not taken into account)

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Jul 09, 2017 at 03:24 AM
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p.32 #4 · Official: Canon Announces the EOS 6D Mark II


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Make a guess which is where.



I wouldn't compare these two shots like this because their exposure is different.



Jul 09, 2017 at 03:27 AM
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p.32 #5 · Official: Canon Announces the EOS 6D Mark II


I'm all for them keeping secret sauce in the top camera sensors, but this is pned by the 80d.


Jul 09, 2017 at 03:27 AM
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p.32 #6 · Official: Canon Announces the EOS 6D Mark II


MayaTlab wrote:
I wouldn't compare these two shots like this because their exposure is different.


I pushed 6D file even more with AL levels in PP so this comparison is NOT in favor of 6D. Yet 6D file shows less noise and more acuity.

A least 6D II file is no way better than one of 6D original.



Jul 09, 2017 at 03:30 AM
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p.32 #7 · Official: Canon Announces the EOS 6D Mark II


AlexDROP wrote:
I pushed 6D file even more with AL levels in PP so this comparison is NOT in favor of 6D. Yet 6D file shows less noise and more acuity.

A least 6D II file is no way better than one of 6D original.


I can't open the files (don't have the software and not that concerned about doing so at this stage), how do you feel the files are overall, as in, do you think having the software updated for the raws properly will help much?



Jul 09, 2017 at 03:47 AM
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p.32 #8 · Official: Canon Announces the EOS 6D Mark II


RobDickinson wrote:
I'm all for them keeping secret sauce in the top camera sensors, but this is pned by the 80d.


Only at low ISO though.

Looking at all this i am thinking that Canon need to pretty rapidly discontinue the 5D3 or risk having it take a slice of the 6D2 sales: If the 6D2 has no better IQ than the 6D, then it is essentially the same as the 5D3. The 5D3 has a more solid body, longer shutter life, dual card slots (critical to so many here ), equivalent or better AF and only 4MP fewer. And it is about the same price...


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Jul 09, 2017 at 03:53 AM
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p.32 #9 · Official: Canon Announces the EOS 6D Mark II


I was thinking about upgrading from my 6D, but now Im not even sure if I should stay with Canon at all.

The Pentax K1 offers 36 MP, 14.6 EV dynamic range, 1/8000s, 5-axis IBIS, in-body astro tracer, 1/200s flash sync, focus peaking, dual SD slots and 100% viewfinder, and it costs only 199€ more than the 6D2.



Jul 09, 2017 at 03:56 AM
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p.32 #10 · Official: Canon Announces the EOS 6D Mark II


Here are two high ISO (3200 and 6400) RAW files for you guys to download:

https://pan.baidu.com/s/1geAx1D5
https://pan.baidu.com/s/1i5EDy1v



Jul 09, 2017 at 03:58 AM
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p.32 #11 · Official: Canon Announces the EOS 6D Mark II


Schnecke wrote:
I was thinking about upgrading from my 6D, but now Im not even sure if I should stay with Canon at all.

The Pentax K1 offers 36 MP, 14.6 EV dynamic range, 1/8000s, 5-axis IBIS, in-body astro tracer, 1/200s flash sync, focus peaking, dual SD slots and 100% viewfinder, and it costs only 199€ more than the 6D2.


For landscapes, it seems like a great body. I haven't been able to find a strong offering on lenses for my uses (faster wide angles, primes, like the sigma arts, so let me know if you find a few that are worth a look



Jul 09, 2017 at 04:01 AM
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MayaTlab wrote:
I'm wondering what is the impact of DPAF on the sensor design. Not directly per se, But I feel that DPAF's added cost has been mitigated by Canon by lowering some performances aspects of the 5DIV sensor.
Personally I wasn't expecting better high ISO performances than the current 6D (none of the DPAF sensors have better high IOS performances than Canon's previous sensors), but was as others expecting an improvement in base ISO DR. But maybe that's an area where Canon has been able to reduce costs by cutting corners ?


Indeed i wonder if there is some DPAF circuitry that remains powered up even in not LV mode, adding to the read noise and thus reducing measured DR. Something that perhaps a firmware update could fix?



Jul 09, 2017 at 04:19 AM
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I assume Canon is still running sensors off the older type of fabs as I don't think the cheaper cameras have better DR like the 80D and above have had. I wonder if the new fabs are full so they decided to make the 6D2 on the old one?? Seems crazy but hey its Canon.....nothing surprises me....


This makes a lot of sense, new fabs can cost billions so if the older one is still working, it makes sense to use it for the 'budget' camera range. While keeping the newer fab busy churning out sensors for for more higher end models (both APS-C and FF).



Jul 09, 2017 at 04:33 AM
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p.32 #14 · Official: Canon Announces the EOS 6D Mark II


Schnecke wrote:
I was thinking about upgrading from my 6D, but now Im not even sure if I should stay with Canon at all.

The Pentax K1 offers 36 MP, 14.6 EV dynamic range, 1/8000s, 5-axis IBIS, in-body astro tracer, 1/200s flash sync, focus peaking, dual SD slots and 100% viewfinder, and it costs only 199€ more than the 6D2.


And Pentax offers impaired lens line not to mention



Jul 09, 2017 at 04:34 AM
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p.32 #15 · Official: Canon Announces the EOS 6D Mark II


Isaacheus wrote:
How do you feel the files are overall, as in, do you think having the software updated for the raws properly will help much?


I think that software/firmware update is the last thing I still hope for.



Jul 09, 2017 at 04:36 AM
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p.32 #16 · Official: Canon Announces the EOS 6D Mark II


Found this comment from Canon on Canons official Facebook page: "In terms of image quality, the sensor in the EOS 6D Mark II is from the same generation as the EOS 5D Mark IV, rather than EOS 5D Mark III, so the image quality will be similar to the EOS 5D Mark IV. There will be differences in certain shooting conditions but if its better, will probably come down to personal preferences."

So what's up with the Mk II?



Jul 09, 2017 at 04:41 AM
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TurboJonte wrote:
...So what's up with the Mk II?


The 0.0001% hope that keeps popping up is based largely on the hope that these preliminary DR test results are from a pre-production camera. This comment from Canon moves that up to 0.0002%, at least.

P.S. Welcome to FM.



Jul 09, 2017 at 05:19 AM
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p.32 #18 · Official: Canon Announces the EOS 6D Mark II


My Canon "Dear John" letter
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Canon, it's not me - it's you! I know that you're solid and reliable, but that isn't enough.

In 2005, the original 5D was launched as the first affordable FF DSLR, and many landscape photographers considered it to be ideal.

In 2008, the 5D MkII was launched, and was a considerable upgrade on the original. I purchased one, and have been very pleased with it.

In 2012, the 5D MkIII was launched. There was a small increase in resolution, but DR was marginally less. I did not see this as an upgrade, and kept my MkII. And, by the way, the price had increased from $2,699 to $3,500 ie. by 30%,

Later in 2012, the 6D was launched. It seemed to me that this was the more in the spirit of the original 5D: a realistically-priced landscape lens. And the MP/DR balance was good - fewer MP than the 5D MkIII, but more DR. It seemed to be a higher DR / lower resolution alternative to the 5D MkIII, and that was fine by me!Since the introduction of video, the 5D had moved away from its roots, and was now a multi-purpose camera, with a price tag to match. I felt that the 6D did not warrant changing from the 5D MkII, but I thought that the 6D MkII would do so. And I waited……

In 2016, the 5D MkIV was launched. It was tempting, but only a little: the DR was much improved, and the resolution was very reasonable, but the price was high. At this point, I heard about the A7R II, but after researching it on the internet I concluded that it was clunky and unreliable when used with Canon lenses, and ultimately was more of a gadget than a camera.

On 29 June, Canon announced the specifications of the 6D MkII. They seemed reasonable - provided that the 6D MkII followed the example of the 6D by providing a higher DR / lower resolution alternative to the latest 5D model. But comments from Canon staff on an early hands-on review that the 6D MkII "may not offer the same kind of dynamic range and absolute resolution of the EOS 5D Mark IV", and similar comments from a Canon representative on a B+H video, made me nervous.

On 4th July, I read:
RustyBug wrote:
NOTE: Fred Miranda himself uses Canon glass on Sony bodies

On 5th July, I researched the A7R II in more depth. I liked what I saw, and wondered whether the improvements to the Metabones adapter (now at Mk V) had resolved most of the issues.

On 6th July, I went to my local store, and to compare exposures between my 5D MkII and a A7R II + Metabones V adapter. I shot 3 frames at each end of the zoom range of the following lenses: 8-15mm, 16-35mm f/4, 24-70mm f/4 and 70-200mm f/4. All the shots (other than some under-exposed by 4 stops at the end) were at 1/160 sec at f/11 and ISO 100. The A7R II handled extremely well. Autofocus was fast ( - I cannot say whether it was as fast as with the 5D MkII, but it was certainly fast enough for my purposes). I would prefer an OVF to an EVF, but the EVF was certainly good enough. And focus peaking was something that I would find extremely useful when manual focusing in the field ( - I still use manual focus a great deal).

On 7th July, I made detailed comparisons of the test shots: the A7R II had behaved flawlessly, and the resolution was a revelation. There was no sign of camera shake. (I had used the lens stabilisation only, and some say that the in camera stabilisation is superior to the lens stabilisation.) I also pushed the shots that were 4 stops under-exposed, and the difference between the 5D MkII and the A7R II was dramatic.
In the evening, I decided that I would be moving to Sony bodies.

On 8th July, the first results of tests of the 6D MkII's dynamic range came through……..

It is worth comparing the 5D MkII, the A7R II, the 5D MkIV and the 6D MkII. The following are the specifications that are of particular interest to me:


.....................................5D MkII...................A7R MkII...................5D MkIV...................6D MkII
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Launch date....................Sep 2008.................Jun 2015...................Aug 2016.................July 2017
Original price....................$2,699....................$3,198.......................$3,499....................$1,999
Current price..................................................$2,698.......................$3,299..........,,........$1,999
Effective sensor pixels.......21.1MP....................42.4MP.......................30.1MP....................26.2MP
Dynamic range ................11.9 EV..................13.9 EV.......................13.6 EV..................12.1 EV ?
Color depth.....................23.7 bits.................26.0 bits.....................24.8 bits...............23.8 bits ?
Max. shutter speed.........1/8000 sec..............1/8000 sec................1/8000 sec...............1/4000 sec
Max. frame rate.................4/sec......................5/sec........................7/sec.......................6.5/sec
AF points............................9...........................399...........................61...........................45
Viewfinder magnification.....0.71x.....................0.78x........................0.71x......................0.71x
Viewfinder coverage...........98%......................100%........................100%.......................98%
GPS...................................No.........................No............................Yes..........................Yes
Screen.............................Fixed........................Flip..........................Fixed..................Articulated
Weight (incl. battery)............................810g......................625g..........................800g.......................765g
Dimensions.................152.x113x75mm......127x96x60mm......151x116x76mm......144mmx110x75mm

NB. The A7R II's weight and price advantages are illusory. The weight of a Metabones adapter and at least 2 spare batteries needs to be added to the 625g figure for the A7R II. Similarly, the need for the Metabones adapter must also be considered in relation to its dimensions / bulk.

The 6D MkII is struggling to better a camera that is nearly a decade old!

For me, the choice is very clear: the resolution / DR combination of the A7R II - a camera that is already 2 years old - way exceeds the current offerings by Canon. I find it shocking. The A7R II has deficiencies that would be deal-breakers for some (eg. single card; lack of weather-sealing), but these are not deal-breakers for me.

My main interest is in landscape photography. For a long time, I mainly used non-Canon lenses (Carl Zeiss Contax/Yashica T* 35-70mm, Olympus 21mm, Nikon 17-35mm, Nikon 14-24mm, and I even dabbled with an old Nikon 8mm) with my 5D Mk II. But I have now replaced them all with the superb wide-angle and f/4 lenses that Canon has released in recent years. I am not impressed by the price/performance of the Sony lenses, and I shall continue to use my Canon lenses with the A7R II. But it is ironic that for years I was using a Canon body with 3rd party lenses, but in future I will be using a 3rd party body with Canon lenses!

So, Canon, it is adieu - but not necessarily farewell. If in the future you come up with a body as attractive as Sony's I will consider having you back. But you're really going to have to up your game!

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Jul 09, 2017 at 06:48 AM
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jcolwell wrote:
The 0.0001% hope that keeps popping up is based largely on the hope that these preliminary DR test results are from a pre-production camera. This comment from Canon moves that up to 0.0002%, at least.

P.S. Welcome to FM.



Here, let me fix that for ya.

"The 0.001% hope that keeps popping up is based largely on the hope that these preliminary DR test results are from a pre-production camera. This comment from Canon moves that up to 0.002%, at least."

I gotta take every sliver of hope I can get here. A single decimal point shift helps.


I was honestly hoping to wake up this morning to read that someone discovered a flaw in the data, and that the 6DII DR is in fact in the same ballpark as it's little and big brother.
The above Crackbook comment gives me even more hope.

Something just isn't right here.
If you think about it, what made the 6D such a hot seller for Canon? We all know the answer to this, so why would Canon spend all the $$ developing the new 6DII and giving it all the asked for upgrades and many new improvements, then turn around and KILL the very thing that made the 6D legendary in the first place.

Even a 12 year old from Nebraska would know this would be product suicide. And depending on how pissed off people get over this, possibly corporate suicide.

So.... I'm now clinging to the 0.002% of hope. At least it's an improvement from yesterday.



Jul 09, 2017 at 06:59 AM
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Schnecke wrote:
I was thinking about upgrading from my 6D, but now Im not even sure if I should stay with Canon at all.

The Pentax K1 offers 36 MP, 14.6 EV dynamic range, 1/8000s, 5-axis IBIS, in-body astro tracer, 1/200s flash sync, focus peaking, dual SD slots and 100% viewfinder, and it costs only 199€ more than the 6D2.


I dig on the Pentax K-1 ... but, the glass difference (and AF performance) is a consideration not to be taken too lightly.



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