p.7 #1 · Nikon's new strategy....sounds good to me...
When I played some stuff to my brother on my pretty expensive high end audio system, he wasn't overly impressed, as I expected. Then, I asked him if he can hear the difference compared to a regular cheap system. His answer was short, "yes I definitely do, but I personally don't give a s....t for that difference".
Similar can be applied to most of the people taking pictures today. They can see the difference, but they wouldn't pay extra for a digital camera, especially more advanced and expensive once, over their phones. The phones are small, easy to use, and they're already in their pockets.
I'm analyzing my friends on FB, so only a few of them would react on pictures with more character over simple snap shots by the phone.
p.7 #3 · Nikon's new strategy....sounds good to me...
Dustin Gent wrote:
i absolutely agree with you on market saturation. How many entry level cameras does a company need?
D3200, D3300, D3400, D5300, D5500, D5600, D7200, D500, D610, Df, D750, D810, D810a, D5
both canon and nikon i think went a bit overboard with expanding their models. I remember when the Canon 10D came out. I think Canon had the Rebel, 10D, 1D and 1Ds. simple. Nikon had the same. Now there are 5+ entry level cameras. If they do something like D5600, D500, D750, D810, D5 i think it will clean up the lineup and confusion. Why the need for a D610 AND a D750? or all the D3000 and D5000 series cameras?
and as far as smart phones and such, it is the gateway to photography for a lot of the younger crowds. I think that this is the first experience into the photography world, and people eventually will graduate from phone to DSLR. I personally use my phone as a documentary camera. If i am scouting an area, or on the trail, etc - i will use the phone. Or for quick video and such. But for anything serious, i will use my camera. ...Show more →
Why do you feel the phone crowd will want to graduate to a DSLR? With no one printing these days, how much better is a DSLR image on Facebook? And at what hassle and cost is getting that DSLR image onto Facebook?
In the film days, the P&S cameras were definitely gateway cameras to DSLR as the P&S was a separate device you had to carry, it used film like a DSLR and you needed to make prints just like a DSLR. That has all changed with phones and simple access to the Internet.
p.7 #4 · Nikon's new strategy....sounds good to me...
Get a decent mirrorless out there, like the Sony cams. I love using my m43 kit, and in some ways prefer it to my ff Nikons. If it wasn't for the poor high iso quality I would actually seriously consider jumping ship
p.7 #5 · Nikon's new strategy....sounds good to me...
traylorc wrote:
IMHO...the people who feel their phone is a more than adequate camera don't care about the items you listed.
Speed, AF, Viewfinder, low light performance, interchangeable lenses...these are items that photographers care about. Most non-photographers are oblivious, scared, confused, or simply confused about the aforementioned benefits of a DSLR. The average consumer doesn't care about that stuff...so how productive is time spent trying to educate people on items they don't care about?
I have talked to many of my friends about the benefits of a DSLR...and most of them value convenience of their phones. They love the simplicity of their phones...they want to be able to point, shoot, and capture the picture. They are not interested in becoming photographers, they are interested in easily capturing pictures of their family and friends. They are not interested in carrying an additional piece of equipment. They are not interested in taking the time to learn the language of photography, they are not interested in autofocus speed and histograms or how to get the most out of Lightroom. They want one product that allows them to communicate, surf the web, and take pictures...and they want that one product at a price point significantly less than many DSLRs offerings. ...Show more →
It has always been the case that most people just want a box that records memories. Digital is no different except that it makes it even easier: no film to buy and develop, no fim to scan to get digital images etc.
p.7 #6 · Nikon's new strategy....sounds good to me...
chez wrote:
Why do you feel the phone crowd will want to graduate to a DSLR? With no one printing these days, how much better is a DSLR image on Facebook? And at what hassle and cost is getting that DSLR image onto Facebook?
In the film days, the P&S cameras were definitely gateway cameras to DSLR as the P&S was a separate device you had to carry, it used film like a DSLR and you needed to make prints just like a DSLR. That has all changed with phones and simple access to the Internet.
I disagree. 20 years ago only a small minority cared enough to splurge on a nice SLR. You could also argue that because it is so easy to take pictures, given the ubiquity of camera phones, there are even more people who potentially realise the limitations of the camera phone, and upgrade to a DSLR. But as I have said earlier, this is conjecture, just as your view are, and without evidence we'll end up going round in circles, chasing our own tails.
p.7 #13 · Nikon's new strategy....sounds good to me...
nugeny wrote:
For landscapes. I love printing big. I have been using Epson 17" for years, thinking 24".
I have both 24" and 44" printers and print large from my full frame cameras. I really don't think you'll see any difference in a 24x36" print between the mini Medium Format and a full frame with good glass.
The Nikon 810 or Sony A7R2 can easily handle prints to 24x36.
p.7 #14 · Nikon's new strategy....sounds good to me...
chez wrote:
I have both 24" and 44" printers and print large from my full frame cameras. I really don't think you'll see any difference in a 24x36" print between the mini Medium Format and a full frame with good glass.
The Nikon 810 or Sony A7R2 can easily handle prints to 24x36.
Good to know that. But it wouldn't hurt to be able to crop a bit more liberally, when it is necessary.
p.7 #16 · Nikon's new strategy....sounds good to me...
If you are looking at Nikon to enter the medium format market...I don't think that's a wise move. They will require a whole new set of lenses and they will be way behind both Fuji and Hassy which have a lot of experience already in medium format...and Fuji with mirrorless.
p.7 #18 · Nikon's new strategy....sounds good to me...
chez wrote:
Why do you feel the phone crowd will want to graduate to a DSLR? With no one printing these days, how much better is a DSLR image on Facebook? And at what hassle and cost is getting that DSLR image onto Facebook?
In the film days, the P&S cameras were definitely gateway cameras to DSLR as the P&S was a separate device you had to carry, it used film like a DSLR and you needed to make prints just like a DSLR. That has all changed with phones and simple access to the Internet.
I think that now a days (and this is obviously true) most people get their first experience with cameras via their phones. The people that enjoy it will outgrow their cell phones, and "graduate" to a DSLR. Just my opinion though
p.7 #20 · Nikon's new strategy....sounds good to me...
Nikon was onto the right thing back in 2005, with the reintroduction of the SP.
A digital SP, along with a truly digital F (Df reconfigured), would not be Nikon competing with Fuji/Sony/Leica- It would rip the mirrorless and tactile-feel market apart, and cause those 3 to compete with Nikon.
They could charge $2500-$3k for those bodies, and crush everyone...
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