Lisa_Holloway wrote:
My now almost 16 year old son when he was 3 years old. He got into big sister's princess dress collection. Never once did it cross my mind that he 'wanted to be a girl.' And he doesn't. He's very much a boy. I think that anyone encouraging this child to 'be a girl' are indeed causing serious harm. This new age progressive nonsense 'science' is quite frightening.
Trust me Lisa, when I was a kid my older sister wanted a sister, so she sometimes used to make me play with girly things when I was a toddler. I turned out fine, and my parents never forced that behavior on me. I liked playing sports, hanging out with the guys, and grew into those interests. I assume your son went down a similar path as well and you're a good parent for encouraging him to grow into the man he is today.
Whether you want to believe it or not, GD is actually a real thing. The symptoms of having it are different than a normal child jumping into girls dress clothes. The child reacts differently to their own self/identity. The controversy is - do you bring your kid to the doctor? If he does present like this, do you just wait and hope that he grows out of it? Do you punish him for being feminine?
There isn't a right or wrong answer. But I'm glad it is being studied so people can understand why this behavior exists. I'm really glad lobotomies aren't used to "cure" gay people of being gay like they did back in the 1950s. I'm glad they are accepted in the community because there is a deeper understanding. I hope the same thing happens with gender dysphoria as well.
Lisa_Holloway wrote:
My now almost 16 year old son when he was 3 years old. He got into big sister's princess dress collection. Never once did it cross my mind that he 'wanted to be a girl.' And he doesn't. He's very much a boy. I think that anyone encouraging this child to 'be a girl' are indeed causing serious harm. This new age progressive nonsense 'science' is quite frightening.
"I would never die for my beliefs because I might be wrong." - Bertrand Russell.
Have you considered that there might be a very small possibility that you might be on the wrong side of history on this? I am not asking you to change the way you think but have you ever even considered that maybe the world doesn't work according to the rules or laws you believe in? There is great humility in being open to new ideas and acknowledging that sometimes we might be wrong...more importantly, just because there is an established way of thinking about things doesn't mean that that is how things ought to be - slavery, civil rights, women's suffrage, the notion that the earth is not the center of the universe. there was a time when folks believed that the earth was flat and that the sun went around the earth. I wonder how much different the church's response to Galileo was compared to "this new age progressive nonsense 'science' is quite frightening."
We've already been through this. Lisa Holloway & company - and you know who you are - are out of line bringing up this on a photography forum. The OP has presented a pic of a child - with his parents blessing - you have NO opinion that counts on this. NONE. I will not argue the child's parenting - nor will as you, have no clue and the more you write the more that becomes evident. Keep it up and this forum will erupt - I for one will not tolerate your bigotry.
I don't think they are out of line bringing this up on a photography forum. This is similar to someone wearing a flag or trespassing on RR tracks for a photo. But they are wrong, and this is not so much about beliefs as about biological facts (tho parental belief systems could affect how they deal with any problems in their children, whether it is astigmatism or intersex caused by chromosomal abnormalities, hormone exposure, etc.).
twoshadows wrote:
We've already been through this. Lisa Holloway & company - and you know who you are - are out of line bringing up this on a photography forum. The OP has presented a pic of a child - with his parents blessing - you have NO opinion that counts on this. NONE. I will not argue the child's parenting - nor will as you, have no clue and the more you write the more that becomes evident. Keep it up and this forum will erupt - I for one will not tolerate your bigotry.
So everyone who has an opinion that is not yours is a bigot? Gotcha!
Lisa_Holloway wrote:
So everyone who has an opinion that is not yours is a bigot? Gotcha!
Eh...it's not that anyone who doesn't share someone's opinion is a bigot. It's the case that anyone who has a bigoted opinion is likely a bigot. It just so happens to not be twoshadows' opinion...
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charlesk wrote:
You're kidding... right?
No. I am not. I was being polite in asking the question and putting the onus of evolution of thought on Lisa as opposed to telling her that her way of thinking about this and perhaps other topics is, well, unevolved. Can't tell if you are being sarcastic or not. The internet really does need a sarcasm emoji.
twoshadows wrote:
I for one will not tolerate your bigotry.
Wow! Sooooo...........you will not tolerate bigotry. How big of you. So nice of you to place yourself above other forum members that have a different opinion than yours.There have been many varied opinions on this thread, where members gave their opinions in a civil manner. Name calling adds nothing of value to the thread, and shows a lack of respect for fellow forum members.
Ed
Head for the hills, head for the hills!!! The bigotry cops are on the loose!!!
Oh goody, the bigot police are bashing my clients and harassing me via PM now. My clients are white? Say it isn't so! I photograph who hires me. It has a lot to do with my local demographics. Unbelievable. Progressives preach tolerance and inclusion and yet are some of the most intolerant, hateful people I know. This private message - racist much? Disgusted.
I reckon this thread will be locked soon. I've followed the commentary. The only reason I've decided to participate is because I don't like the photo very much, and Denny asked for photo critique. I would love to see more of this child if you ever get a chance. I've not been able to articulate it Denny, just it seems mocking, and I don't get a playful, joyful feeling out of this. The wig is too wild, the facial expression, too. The backdrop doesn't fit.
I'm sorry to be so blunt, but I'm heading to a meeting. I wish this child nothing but the love and support every child deserves. I have some distant family experience with GD, and my personal belief is that this is a real thing, but obviously not everyone agrees, and that's OK.
I hope the OP knows I mean my comments about the photo in a supportive and constructive manner, and that I am not trying to be hypercritical. The photo just didn't work for me. All best!
Sharon
The most "anti-bigoted" people are usually the most close-minded. The ones who cry "racist" the most are judging everybody and everything by race (including Lisa's clientele.) They are the opposite of color-blind or doing as MLKJ called for in judging people by the content of their character rather than their race. Those who cry the most about bullying are the most threatening, biggest name-callers, and most violent in the room. Even the College of Pediatrics call the promotion of gender confusion ideas in children as child abuse. Most mothers recognize that and will (or should) call it out when posted and celebrated.
A bigot is as a bigot does - X (trans) children are killing themselves because of parents who deny their existence as transgender. Gender dysphoria kills, as surely as cancer. But most of it can be prevented by educating parents about gender dysphoria and transgender issues in general. Saying it doesn't exist is Neanderthal.
twoshadows wrote:
A bigot is as a bigot does - X (trans) children are killing themselves because of parents who deny their existence as transgender. Gender dysphoria kills, as shortly as cancer. But most of it can be prevented by educating parents about gender dysphoria and transgender issues in general. Saying it doesn't exist is Neanderthal.
WRONG. Clearly the jury is still out on that. It is not black and white science. Saying it doesn't exist in the form being projected here is not 'neanderthal' no matter how much you wish it was. And screeching 'bigot' at the first sign of disagreement is a tried and true liberal defense mechanism. Go find your safe space.
Lisa_Holloway wrote:
WRONG. Clearly the jury is still out on that. It is not black and white science. Saying it doesn't exist in the form being projected here is not 'neanderthal' no matter how much you wish it was. And screeching 'bigot' at the first sign of disagreement is a tried and true liberal defense mechanism. Go find your safe space.
This is a photography forum. Take you're theopolitical bs elsewhere.
Lisa Holloway, you are not the first bigot I've encountered as a transgender person. The idea that you think you are entitled enough to have an opinion on something you obviously know nothing about speaks volumes of you. You're a mother of what two children? And you know everything about children, and gender? I think the people who tell You you're a good photographer have gotten to your head, because you seem to think you know everything about everything. Just know this, denying someone's right to exist is a dangerous practice.
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