p.36 #1 · Pre-order: Fujifilm GFX 50S Medium Format body ($6,499)
Matt Grum wrote:
This is just nonsense. Where is Sony's medium format offering?
Sony can't offer a medium format camera until it has suckered Fuji and Hassy to buy their leftovers from 3 years ago. Next year, a Sony RX camera will appear magically that has this pseudo MF size sensor and phase detect. Then about 6 months later, Fuji and Hassy will be allowed to mod that sensor.
Sony doesn't really need a MF offering at this time because FF is so hot, they can just create 75 mpix A7r3 which will outperform the hassy and the fuji anyway.
p.36 #2 · Pre-order: Fujifilm GFX 50S Medium Format body ($6,499)
freaklikeme wrote:
Are you worried about shutter shock or does the EFCS offer some advantage?
Going from the A7R to A7RII made all the difference in the world for me and that was because EFCS.
So, yes, I'm concerned about shutter shock with the new Fuji.
However, Fuji's mechanical shutter could be better implemented and shutter shock may not be an issue. They could also offer EFCS on their production release. We'll see.
As far as I know, currently their other cameras and 50S prototype only offer "ES" (similar to Sony's "Silent shutter"), which is much less desirable because of its limitations. It would negatively impact this camera's best features like high DR and clean ISO 100.
p.36 #4 · Pre-order: Fujifilm GFX 50S Medium Format body ($6,499)
gdanmitchell wrote:
Concerning EC,
How would electronic shutter negatively affect DR or affect noise at low ISO?
Dan
From the picture I posted, ISO 100 will not be compatible with Fuji's electronic shutter setting (ES or ES+MS). It would affect noise because our base ISO would be 200.
On the A7RII, silent shutter (similar to Fuji's ES) affects signal to noise ratio and dynamic range. When recovering shadows, more noise and banding is likely to seen. However, take this with a grain of salt as I have zero experience with Fuji cameras.
p.36 #5 · Pre-order: Fujifilm GFX 50S Medium Format body ($6,499)
Thanks Fred. I missed the ISO limitation with EC. I wonder if that will be the case in the released version since I don't think that is the case with the x-trams bodies. (Could I be wrong about that? And, of course, they only go down to 200.)
And... now I'll have to test my XPro2 with the two shutter modes to see if there is a difference.
Fred Miranda wrote:
From the picture I posted, ISO 100 will not be compatible with Fuji's electronic shutter setting (ES or ES+MS). It would affect noise because our base ISO would be 200.
On the A7RII, silent shutter (similar to Fuji's ES) affects signal to noise ratio and dynamic range. When recovering shadows, more noise and banding is likely to seen. However, take this with a grain of salt as I have zero experience with Fuji cameras.
p.36 #6 · Pre-order: Fujifilm GFX 50S Medium Format body ($6,499)
gdanmitchell wrote:
Thanks Fred. I missed the ISO limitation with EC. I wonder if that will be the case in the released version since I don't think that is the case with the x-trams bodies. (Could I be wrong about that? And, of course, they only go down to 200.)
And... now I'll have to test my XPro2 with the two shutter modes to see if there is a difference.
I believe there is the same ISO limitation for the Xpro2. Test it out and let me know.
Fred
p.36 #7 · Pre-order: Fujifilm GFX 50S Medium Format body ($6,499)
gdanmitchell wrote:
Thanks Fred. I missed the ISO limitation with EC. I wonder if that will be the case in the released version since I don't think that is the case with the x-trams bodies.
With the A7RII the noise level is higher with the fully electronic shutter even at the same ISO. It's a result of driving the electronics faster than you would with a physical second curtain, and it's worse with a larger sensor, which is why the x-trans Fuji probably doesn't exhibit the same effect.
p.36 #8 · Pre-order: Fujifilm GFX 50S Medium Format body ($6,499)
Fred Miranda wrote:
Going from the A7R to A7RII made all the difference in the world for me and that was because EFCS.
So, yes, I'm concerned about shutter shock with the new Fuji.
I don't know, Fred. Like I said, I turned mine off in the a7rII and haven't had the same problems I had with the a7r using it as a digital back for my macro bellows at the impacted speeds. I think the problem was fixed elsewhere in the redesign.
Fred Miranda wrote:
However, Fuji's mechanical shutter could be better implemented and shutter shock may not be an issue. They could also offer EFCS on their production release. We'll see.
As far as I know, currently their other cameras and 50S prototype only offer "ES" (similar to Sony's "Silent shutter"), which is much less desirable because of its limitations. It would negatively impact this camera's best features like high DR and clean ISO 100.
Fingers crossed. I'm not expecting a perfect first version, but I would like to see them avoid the mistakes others have made.
p.36 #10 · Pre-order: Fujifilm GFX 50S Medium Format body ($6,499)
freaklikeme wrote:
I don't know, Fred. Like I said, I turned mine off in the a7rII and haven't had the same problems I had with the a7r using it as a digital back for my macro bellows at the impacted speeds. I think the problem was fixed elsewhere in the redesign.
That could be the case but there will always be vibration from the first curtain. EFCS fixes that completely and a camera designed for landscapes where micro detail is crucial, should have that implemented if possible. Like you wrote, fingers crossed.
p.36 #11 · Pre-order: Fujifilm GFX 50S Medium Format body ($6,499)
freaklikeme wrote:
Phase One rolled out their "affordable" DB using the Sony 100MP 645 sensor. Only $33k.
After 5 affordable s from them. I think that word means totally something else. I do NOT want to go back and do the math. Seriously you can buy a whole Fuji setup for maybe 1/2 their price. Most expensive one I bought was 36k, I did not pay that because they do have a upgrade program but you still are eating peanut butter and jelly sandwiches for a year. Lol
This Fuji can turn a lot of heads when it comes out. I know this sensor well and tested in a Leaf Credo back, it's really really nice. Yes it's nicer than my 42 in case you are wondering
Btw I did pick up on why Fuji keeps calling it theirs. They are adding micro lenses on the sensor. They sound like they are buying the raw sensor from Sony and adding the micro lenses and of course their own sauce to it. Not sure what video it was but if you pay attention, micro lenses came up in the conversation. I think it was a video from Fuji itself
p.36 #12 · Pre-order: Fujifilm GFX 50S Medium Format body ($6,499)
GMPhotography wrote:
After 5 affordable s from them. I think that word means totally something else. I do NOT want to go back and do the math. Seriously you can buy a whole Fuji setup for maybe 1/2 their price. Most expensive one I bought was 36k, I did not pay that because they do have a upgrade program but you still are eating peanut butter and jelly sandwiches for a year. Lol
This Fuji can turn a lot of heads when it comes out. I know this sensor well and tested in a Leaf Credo back, it's really really nice. Yes it's nicer than my 42 in case you are wondering
Btw I did pick up on why Fuji keeps calling it theirs. They are adding micro lenses on the sensor. They sound like they are buying the raw sensor from Sony and adding the micro lenses and of course their own sauce to it. Not sure what video it was but if you pay attention, micro lenses came up in the conversation. I think it was a video from Fuji itself ...Show more →
Yeah, I saw that video and I'm a little concerned about what that means for use on any perspective control lens or set up. Hopefully the arrangement won't prove detrimental to panos and shifting, but we'll see.
p.36 #14 · Pre-order: Fujifilm GFX 50S Medium Format body ($6,499)
GMPhotography wrote:
After 5 affordable s from them. I think that word means totally something else. I do NOT want to go back and do the math. Seriously you can buy a whole Fuji setup for maybe 1/2 their price. Most expensive one I bought was 36k, I did not pay that because they do have a upgrade program but you still are eating peanut butter and jelly sandwiches for a year. Lol
This Fuji can turn a lot of heads when it comes out. I know this sensor well and tested in a Leaf Credo back, it's really really nice. Yes it's nicer than my 42 in case you are wondering
Btw I did pick up on why Fuji keeps calling it theirs. They are adding micro lenses on the sensor. They sound like they are buying the raw sensor from Sony and adding the micro lenses and of course their own sauce to it. Not sure what video it was but if you pay attention, micro lenses came up in the conversation. I think it was a video from Fuji itself ...Show more →
I agree the micro lenses adapted by Fuji on sensor are to keep the flange distance small and reducing the size of these minMF lenses, very similar to Leica. In effect the system will be lighter comparatively. There may well be issues in adapting non native lenses with these micro lenses. I know this is a concern for many, but keeping a smaller and lighter package with native lenses is my first interest.
p.36 #15 · Pre-order: Fujifilm GFX 50S Medium Format body ($6,499)
Agree that is a big selling point here is size and weight under the bigger MF modular systems. Native glass is what we would all want but be nice to use some speciality glass too. Just have to see what develops. Really hard to figure this all out without testing it out. I just don't know anyone at Fuji to get my hands on one when the time comes.
p.36 #16 · Pre-order: Fujifilm GFX 50S Medium Format body ($6,499)
GMPhotography wrote:
Agree that is a big selling point here is size and weight under the bigger MF modular systems. Native glass is what we would all want but be nice to use some speciality glass too. Just have to see what develops. Really hard to figure this all out without testing it out. I just don't know anyone at Fuji to get my hands on one when the time comes.
Unforuntately I do know someone at Fujifilm that I have known for years. He used to work at Manfrotto before going to Leica Camera USA and then he moved on to Fuji. I will try to see him at PhotoPlus on October 20 and see the camera and go from there.
p.36 #18 · Pre-order: Fujifilm GFX 50S Medium Format body ($6,499)
It's base ISO is 100. I really like to know what software for tethered. From B&H
51.4MP 43.8 x 32.9mm CMOS Sensor
X-Processor Pro Image Processor
Removable Electronic Viewfinder
ISO 100-12800
Focal Plane Shutter, Up to 1/4000 sec.
Top Settings LCD Monitor
Multi Aspect Ratio Shooting
Weather-Sealed Construction
Tethered Shooting Support
p.36 #19 · Pre-order: Fujifilm GFX 50S Medium Format body ($6,499)
GMPhotography wrote:
As you know micro lenses and stitching are not very friendly. So this is another concern.
Yep, but, without any further information, I'm choosing to have faith.
Charles is right. Their first priority should be their native mount designs and keeping the system an attractive proposition because system shooters keep mounts viable for we who choose to adapt.
p.36 #20 · Pre-order: Fujifilm GFX 50S Medium Format body ($6,499)
charles.K wrote:
I agree the micro lenses adapted by Fuji on sensor are to keep the flange distance small and reducing the size of these minMF lenses, very similar to Leica. In effect the system will be lighter comparatively. There may well be issues in adapting non native lenses with these micro lenses. I know this is a concern for many, but keeping a smaller and lighter package with native lenses is my first interest.
Same here, but I've got access to a large set of system V lenses so I'll be interested to give it a try and see how it goes
