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p.18 #1 · Zeiss 35mm 1.4 ZM Tests


GMPhotography wrote:
Anyway I don't see coma here. Anyone else


Can you post a 1:1 crop center and corner?



Aug 29, 2016 at 04:31 PM
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p.18 #2 · Zeiss 35mm 1.4 ZM Tests


GMPhotography wrote:
Anyway I don't see coma here. Anyone else


Hi Guy,

As I posted with my image (s) they were taken on an out of alignment sensor and I have not checked it again since the sensor was aligned and the Kolari Sensor cover was replaced. Also, when the camera was returned for alignment and the sensor cover was replaced, Kolari checked and confirmed that my Zeiss 35mm f1.4 ZM Distagon lens had no evidence of being decentered.

Rich

Edited on Aug 29, 2016 at 04:48 PM · View previous versions



Aug 29, 2016 at 04:32 PM
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p.18 #3 · Zeiss 35mm 1.4 ZM Tests


GMPhotography wrote:
Gary there is nothing special with a Leica body from a technical standpoint over a Sony. Maybe there new EVF but nothing that has any effect on IQ. Not talking lenses here and yes I tested the S body my Phase One back smoked it. Build quality and such are exactly that maybe better but that has not a damn thing to do with there sensor and output. Every Leica owner thinks they have the best camera on the planet and for them great but has nothing to do with output.


You are definitely not the target buyer for Leica. I personally pay more for less gadgets and a more enjoyable shooting experience - sounds crazy I know. And the output from the M240 is amazing - you should try one sometime.



Aug 29, 2016 at 04:39 PM
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p.18 #4 · Zeiss 35mm 1.4 ZM Tests


GMPhotography wrote:
Anyway I don't see coma here. Anyone else


You won't tell much about coma from that sample... Perhaps if you provide 100% crops of the side/corner you may see something.



Aug 29, 2016 at 04:40 PM
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p.18 #5 · Zeiss 35mm 1.4 ZM Tests


Fred Miranda wrote:
Can you post a 1:1 crop center and corner?


I'll actually upload it. Be fun to see what everyone thinks. It's ISO 1600 I think too



Aug 29, 2016 at 04:42 PM
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p.18 #6 · Zeiss 35mm 1.4 ZM Tests


Fred Miranda wrote:
It's interesting that the ZM 35/1.4 + adapter + hood is about the same size in length when compared to the Loxia 35/2 + hood.
If you consider it is a f/1.4 lens, it's pretty compact. The diameter is actually smaller being a 49 vs 52mm thread.


It's quite large in Leica-land though and does block the RF a bit. The 35lux FLE could perhaps be a good (and smaller) f/1.4 lens on the A7RII?



Aug 29, 2016 at 04:43 PM
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Fred Miranda wrote:
It's interesting that the ZM 35/1.4 + adapter + hood is about the same size in length when compared to the Loxia 35/2 + hood.
If you consider it is a f/1.4 lens, it's pretty compact. The diameter is actually smaller being a 49 vs 52mm thread.


Wow didn't know that. I looked up the weight but not size. I guess the images you see are misleading exactly because its thin....you tend to scale up. Even more tempting than I thought!



Aug 29, 2016 at 04:43 PM
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p.18 #8 · Zeiss 35mm 1.4 ZM Tests


Gary Clennan wrote:
You are definitely not the target buyer for Leica. I personally pay more for less gadgets and a more enjoyable shooting experience - sounds crazy I know. And the output from the M240 is amazing - you should try one sometime.


This is like discussing politics or religion. I'm afraid we won't have an agreement here.



Aug 29, 2016 at 04:43 PM
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Gary Clennan wrote:
You are definitely not the target buyer for Leica. I personally pay more for less gadgets and a more enjoyable shooting experience - sounds crazy I know. And the output from the M240 is amazing - you should try one sometime.


Truth be told I was Leicas golden boy for a long time but the system could not work in real working environments too well. Just too many limitations with M bodies but that's no reflection on them it's just my work load stuff.



Aug 29, 2016 at 04:45 PM
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p.18 #10 · Zeiss 35mm 1.4 ZM Tests


Fred Miranda wrote:
This is like discussing politics or religion. I'm afraid we won't have an agreement here.


No question we will not. Lol



Aug 29, 2016 at 04:46 PM
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DavidBM wrote:
Wow didn't know that. I looked up the weight but not size. I guess the images you see are misleading exactly because its thin....you tend to scale up. Even more tempting than I thought!


As Gary said in Leica land it's a little big but it's a 49mm thread just like the 55 1.8. I tend to think it's the same size as it. But not looked at the specs.



Aug 29, 2016 at 04:48 PM
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Fred Miranda wrote:
This is like discussing politics or religion. I'm afraid we won't have an agreement here.


Haha Fred - you are completely correct. We each have our own preferences and it really shouldn't matter what particular brand is being used. I own both Sony and Leica (and others) and enjoy them both for very different reasons.



Aug 29, 2016 at 04:52 PM
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p.18 #13 · Zeiss 35mm 1.4 ZM Tests


GMPhotography wrote:
Truth be told I was Leicas golden boy for a long time but the system could not work in real working environments too well. Just too many limitations with M bodies but that's no reflection on them it's just my work load stuff.


Yeah, for your work stuff I could see that it wouldn't work too well for you. They can be a very finicky system and perhaps not as robust as others...



Aug 29, 2016 at 04:55 PM
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No question we will not. Lol





Aug 29, 2016 at 04:57 PM
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p.18 #15 · Zeiss 35mm 1.4 ZM Tests


Okay here is the raw . I think I shot it at F4 for 10 seconds. I see movement but not sure on coma. You folks can check

https://www.hightail.com/e?phi_action=app/orchestrateDownload&sendId=3001271466&emailId=38d1bcccb2b2d41792432da7d40aaec1



Aug 29, 2016 at 04:57 PM
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p.18 #16 · Zeiss 35mm 1.4 ZM Tests


Right corner than left corner than center crops

















Aug 29, 2016 at 04:57 PM
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p.18 #17 · Zeiss 35mm 1.4 ZM Tests


BTW if anyone wants any raw file just let me know . I'll load it up.


Aug 29, 2016 at 05:01 PM
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p.18 #18 · Zeiss 35mm 1.4 ZM Tests


Below is a tripod mounted night image including point light source stars taken with my aligned sensor A7rM V3 and my Zeiss 35mm f1.4 ZM Distagon lens which was set to f11. The images are straight out of camera with The first image being full size; some reflection from the Sensor?? can be seen at the upper left corner. The second image is a 100% crop.

Rich





Full size Image A7rM V3 with Zeiss 35mm f1.4 ZM Distagon at f11 straight out of camera







100% Crop A7rM V3 with Zeiss 35mm f1.4 ZM Distagon at f11 straight out of camera




Aug 29, 2016 at 05:04 PM
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p.18 #19 · Zeiss 35mm 1.4 ZM Tests


For those who haven't seen this review of the ZM yet: there are interesting comparisons that clearly show the effect of the thick sensor cover glass of the A7 series. You clearly see how the sensor introduces the nervous, cross-eyed effect at the edges. The Leica versions show this a lot less. It's still possible, as Ron's examples show... but not as extreme as on a Sony.
Also have a look at the night shots with the Sony. That's what massive coma looks like, similar to what naturephoto showed on the previous page.

I'll leave it at that. Horses for courses. It's still capable of some beautiful results, when you always keep it's negatives in mind while shooting.



Aug 29, 2016 at 05:07 PM
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p.18 #20 · Zeiss 35mm 1.4 ZM Tests


Gary Clennan wrote:
It's quite large in Leica-land though and does block the RF a bit. The 35lux FLE could perhaps be a good (and smaller) f/1.4 lens on the A7RII?


Hi Gary,

I have thought about the Leica M 35 lux FLE. It is smaller, skinnier (by about 4mm), shorter (by about 20mm), and lighter (by about 60g). For my preferences, however, I would take the ZM 35 f/1.4. It still is fairly small--physically almost exactly the same size as the FE 55 f/1.8, but about 100g heavier as it is made of metal and as a faster lens no doubt has more glass. I am happy with the size of it. More importantly, however, the weaknesses of the ZM 35 f/1.4 are exaggerated with the 35 Lux FLE. I find its boken more harsh than the ZM 35 f/1.4, and it has a pretty strong mid zone dip that is still a bit present even at f/5.6. And it just does not have the contrast for fine structures that ZM 35 f/1.4 has. So, for me I like the size of the 35 Lux FLE, but I would prefer to have the ZM 35 f/1.4 at least on a Sony. The small size might matter more on a Leica M camera.



Aug 29, 2016 at 05:29 PM
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