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p.48 #1 · Re: Show us YOUR Studio


tinyblob, thanks Don't know if I'll be any better with good equipment, since I'm not as creative as I wish I'd be. Well, at least I wouldn't need to worry about the equipment, so I'd get equal results more easily, I guess

Anyway, didn't get any studio shots of my niece, just a lot of outdoor shots. So, I'm now going to assemble some sort of portrait setup and take a shot of myself, yucky

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Jul 31, 2005 at 02:54 PM
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p.48 #2 · Re: Show us YOUR Studio


Made a few quick attempts... Meh, here goes:



Used undiffused hard flash. Since I didn't have the stuff handy to eliminate the reflections of light caused by the white wall on the left, I cheated and used levels in PS to darken that side, since this was the look I wanted for now

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Jul 31, 2005 at 04:20 PM
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p.48 #3 · Re: Show us YOUR Studio


oh my! after what i think was 5 hours of going through every single page of this thread, i feel like i've had an education on studio lighting! wow - thanks to everybody that has participated once i take a photo of my set up, i'll be back!

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Aug 01, 2005 at 01:19 AM
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p.48 #4 · Re: Show us YOUR Studio


Teppo wrote:
tinyblob, thanks Don't know if I'll be any better with good equipment, since I'm not as creative as I wish I'd be. Well, at least I wouldn't need to worry about the equipment, so I'd get equal results more easily, I guess

I don't consider myself creative, i'm a programmer by trade and a geek by lifestyle, my approach to photography is almost a little scientific, but still yields good results. You'll be surprised what you come up with when you have more equipment.
Buying professional lights was much like buying my first espresso machine, the results will be fairly uniform and you'll be able to learn the difference little tweaks make. At the moment i imagine your results might be a little random

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Aug 02, 2005 at 09:16 AM
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p.48 #5 · Re: Show us YOUR Studio


J.A.F. Doorhof wrote:
We have placed a little teaser on the website in the format of an instructional video.
surf to www.doorhof.nl and go to the backstage area there you will find the video.
A professional filmed DVD is at the moment in progress, we hope to release that in 2005.

Greetings,
Frank


These videos are fantastic, thanks for putting them together

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Aug 02, 2005 at 09:38 AM
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p.48 #6 · Re: Show us YOUR Studio


"A little random" is putting it mildly...

Well, if I manage to order some softbox stuff from studioflash.co.uk, that'll be a big help for sure. Although having 1-2 more flashes wouldn't hurt... but don't have the money, especially with my sights locked on a Magic Drainpipe

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Aug 02, 2005 at 09:43 AM
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p.48 #7 · Re: Show us YOUR Studio


I was wondering if there's a free reference somewhere online to different studio equipment, like softboxes, umbrellas, honeycombs, light tents etc, and explanations when they're used and for what effects and what kind of shooting, etc? Of course after reading stuff here and elsewhere I know some of that stuff, but I'd need to find out what exactly I need to get. I guess I should get the Lighting Cookbook which supposedly has all or most of that information, but it'd take at least 2 weeks from ordering it to receiving it

Alternatively, you can just comment on what I'm currently thinking of. Sorry if they're very often asked (I guess they probably are), I've read through this thread but can't remember if there was how much info on these specific questions.

I'll mostly be taking product style shots, and then some headshot portraits, perhaps also with upper body included. Since I'll be ordering from studioflash.co.uk (so you can check the exact items I'm talking about if you wish), I was thinking of getting:
- A light tent for product shots. As for size, is there a disadvantage for shooting small products in a large light tent, such as the 120x120cm one? Because I'd rather get a big one right away instead of soon finding out I'd need a bigger one after all. 40x40cm is too small for stuff like loudspeakers (stand models), and then there's not much of a price difference between the 80x80cm and 120x120cm ones. So, is the big one also good for quite small products? I don't see why it wouldn't be, but I just want to make sure. Also a question about their use, are the tents usually lit with a hard flash fired on them, or does one get better results with using a softbox also?
- Maybe a 102cm umbrella, since they're quite cheap. However, I'm not sure what I would use them for. Also there's an umbrella softbox, which acts more like shoot-through umbrella. How does using these differ from an octagonal softbox? And when should a shoot-through or "normal" umbrella be used?
- 95cm octagonal softbox. The 140cm one would be too big, and besides, my measly flash wouldn't probably give enough power for it, since it's apparently optimal for 500W/s or stronger units.
- perhaps a square or rectangular softbox... but would I really need one in addition to the stuff listed above? Well, if I had another flash, I guess I would. Which size would be the most useful? Is there a downside of using a larger instead of smaller softbox, in addition to losing light power and adding bulkiness to the setup?
- maybe the 120x180cm 5-in-1 reflector... I suppose it should be useful. A small one would probably come in handy in some cases too, like the round 60cm one.

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Aug 02, 2005 at 03:12 PM
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p.48 #8 · Re: Show us YOUR Studio


I was wondering if there's a free reference somewhere online to different studio equipment,

not free, but for $8 you can get a lot of info and lessons that show you how most equipment is used in shots at www.webphotoschool.com
It's from Photoflex, and they hype their own equipment, but the lessons are good. Check out the free samples they offer

free lesson sample

Edited by marco_g on Aug 04, 2005 at 10:17 AM GMT

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Aug 02, 2005 at 03:17 PM
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p.48 #9 · Re: Show us YOUR Studio


I'll check the free lessons (at least there's one about umbrellas), but I can't subscribe because that'd most likely require a credit card.

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Aug 02, 2005 at 03:21 PM
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p.48 #10 · Re: Show us YOUR Studio


WOW!!! I've been looking at this thread for around an hour or so. I was on page 20. Decided to hit "last" to figure out how long I have to go.....page 80!!!!! This is a really cool thread. However, I'm trying so hard to get a Rebel XT....now I want some lights! All these setups are awesome. So much information to get educated on. This is great for people like me who are still new and learning.

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Aug 02, 2005 at 04:54 PM
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p.48 #11 · Re: Show us YOUR Studio


Really spectacular work John. Especially the Vargas girls! Please let us know when the book is available.

This is the best, most informative thread I have viewed on FM yet! I have been wanting some studio equipment and all of you have really helped me make some choices (ABs).

Thanks!

Dave



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Aug 03, 2005 at 01:19 AM
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p.48 #12 · Re: Show us YOUR Studio


Teppo wrote:
- A light tent for product shots. As for size, is there a disadvantage for shooting small products in a large light tent

As i understand it no, there's no disadvantage. As long as the lights you're using are powerful enough.

are the tents usually lit with a hard flash fired on them, or does one get better results with using a softbox also?
The white material does the diffusing for you, they're often sold with bare bulb lamps. There's nothing to stop you using a softbox, whatever works, but i think you'll find it's not necessary, a little light through the sides and it should work out nicely. I have a DVD produced by Bowens called "product photography" which i believe goes into some detail regarding their light tent set-up. I haven't watched it yet, but if you're in the UK or nearby PM me and maybe i can loan you it or something.

I'm sure someone with a little more light tent experience can answer those questions better than i, but that's the way i understand it.

Also there's an umbrella softbox, which acts more like shoot-through umbrella. How does using these differ from an octagonal softbox?
Neil Turner has a lastolite umbrella softbox on test here, octagonal softboxes give nice round catchlights in the eyes, by the way.

And when should a shoot-through or "normal" umbrella be used?
Shoot-through produces soft light, and you can use it fairly close to your subjects. However the light does have a tendency to go everywhere! Reflecting umbrellas produce far more directional light. Take a look into the effects of different reflective material, as the silver reflector isn't for everyone.

my measly flash wouldn't probably give enough power for it, since it's apparently optimal for 500W/s or stronger units.
Ah but you intend to upgrade sometime, don't you..

perhaps a square or rectangular softbox... but would I really need one in addition to the stuff listed above? Well, if I had another flash, I guess I would. Which size would be the most useful?
All these questions, it's great to see in inquisitive mind at work . To be honest, i'd recommend that you scrap all of the above and just go with a standard softbox for your light right now.
Lets say you bought yourself a nice lightstand at £30 (i assume you're in or near the UK), an octabox for £60 (check out "Sam's Photoflash" on ebay), a light tent for £40, an umbrella for £15 and a reflector for £15 (just random imaginary prices), you've already spent over £150. Then later if you upgrade to some better lights, will your octabox fit?
I'd really recommend just getting a standard softbox, and accessories that can't hurt, like a light tent or a reflector and seeing what effect you can get. Once you've been shooting with it for a while you'll see the gaps in your setup. The money you don't spend on fancy octaboxes or whatever can be saved for nice new lights..
That's just my 0.00p though.

Is there a downside of using a larger instead of smaller softbox, in addition to losing light power and adding bulkiness to the setup?
Apart from physical logistics (bulkiness, and possibly increased assembly time) a larger softbox will spread the light more, and conversely create light spill. If you look around you'll spot "Strip softboxes" which are very thin designed for lighting a human body with little to no spill. I love mine.

maybe the 120x180cm 5-in-1 reflector... I suppose it should be useful. A small one would probably come in handy in some cases too, like the round 60cm one.
You can't go wrong with a reflector. Great for natural light if nothing else.

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Aug 03, 2005 at 05:25 AM
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p.48 #13 · Re: Show us YOUR Studio


Thanks for the answers tinyblob

Anyways, the thing with those ProVersatile softboxes etc is that they're supposedly pretty much universal! It's explained on their site. That's why I'm planning on getting "everything" at once. Also, since I'm from outside UK, every time I'd order from them it's another £20 for shipping alone, and perhaps another £15-20 for actually transferring the money, if that store doesn't allow payment in euros instead of pounds (I have to use bank transfer, since I don't have credit card, and inside EU an euro transfer with IBAN is free) - they haven't answered about that yet. Therefore just a small order wouldn't make much sense. That £35-40 is the size of a softbox from that store, after all

As for the light tent, I've been thinking that perhaps a home-made device could replace that. Just styrofoam walls with some diffusive cloth on one or two sides should light things up somewhat well. But don't know for sure, will have to test that first

As for light stands... hmm, I'd really need one, but studioflash.co.uk doesn't sell 'em, so I guess I'll have to find one from Finland.

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Aug 03, 2005 at 10:02 AM
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p.48 #14 · Re: Show us YOUR Studio


crookshot wrote:
Really spectacular work John. Especially the Vargas girls! Please let us know when the book is available.
This is the best, most informative thread I have viewed on FM yet! I have been wanting some studio equipment and all of you have really helped me make some choices (ABs).
Thanks!
Dave


Thanks for the compliment crookshot. I agree, there is a lot of great tips in this humongous thread.

Best regards,
John


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Aug 04, 2005 at 09:43 AM
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p.48 #15 · Re: Show us YOUR Studio


Thanks to all ... from the construction light specials to the 5000 sq ft studios ... who have posted over the last 80 pages!!!

It has been enlightening and motivating to read all of your posts.

Slow

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Aug 04, 2005 at 12:27 PM
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p.48 #16 · Re: Show us YOUR Studio


Unfortunately I don't have a studio lighting system to show you.

But ... I do need to establish a good portable kit. It would be easy to order in soft boxes and umbrellas etc. but I'm not sure that they are right for my situation.

I teach Special Education in a school of 800+ regular grade 6, 7 and 8's (ages 11 to 14). Each week I shoot 400 to 500 shots and on an event day I can shoot that number of shots easily.

The range of shooting on any day runs from macro shots, to individual portraits, to small groups shots, to large group shots (35 to 50 students), to passport photos size for security badges, to theatrical events with full stage lighting.

Aside from the normal range of sports events (B-ball, volleyball and soccer etc) to shoot, the wrestling ring is 12m (14yards) square and is dark blue (RGB 56-61-150). We have the National finals this year and both action shots and individual and group shots of some 2000 participants are expected. How on earth do I light a ring this size to get good capture?

Normally a point and shoot camera would be considered sufficient gear in a school, however 30 to 35% of 12 year olds and 45 to 50% of 14 & 15 years olds suffer from personality difficulties sufficient to interfere with their education. Many of these difficulties are dismorphic diffculties (i.e., over weight, poor skin, etc.) which can be improved or significantly reduced with good photographic technique. Photos beyond the range of mall photos work wonders with these students. In short, they're hungry for a consistent supply of studio quality photos. To satisfy that hunger, we produce 30 to 40 Event CD's of photos (no prints) per year at minimal cost to the students.

Although I can set up a classroom situation of soft boxes and umbrellas and paper rolls with plexiglass, a portable situation eludes me. Student safety (continuous hot lights and cables) ... think of your average 12-13 year old with size 12 shoes, let alone one 6'3" feet tall with size 13 shoes. Large soft boxes and other gear moving from classroom to classroom are a nightmare waiting to happen.

Does any one have experience with the Interfit Cyber-flash or Digit-flash? Both appear to offer sufficient power and compact size that can be duc-taped quickly to a desk, etc. Student safety and my equipment safety are big pluses for me here.

Any suggestions about photo kit would be greatly appreciated.

Currently I use a Nikon camera with an SB800 on a monopod and tripod. Software includes PS, plugins, NC, Capture One, and several Express Digital packages for order tracking and delivery.

Thanks to all of you for your 80 pages of posts

Slow


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Aug 04, 2005 at 04:50 PM
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p.48 #17 · Re: Show us YOUR Studio


A cheapo setup a $60 500W halogen light on a stand from hardware store, and a $60 40" umbrella. A $40 "charcoal" grey sheet 270x240cm and a 150W halogen light for the background.

http://viper.enumerati.org/~tsumpton/photos/DSC02802_filtered.jpg

And produced a photo such as

http://viper.enumerati.org/~tsumpton/photos/CRW_4536.jpg

This is the first time I had done a setup such as this, and I had been desperately needing a white umbrella that I was waiting for on order, but it didn't arrive, so I had to go with only 1 light setup. I shot RAW with Custom WB on a Digital Rebal and a 50mm 1.8 mkII.

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Aug 05, 2005 at 07:46 AM
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p.48 #18 · Re: Show us YOUR Studio


The best thread i have ever read in my life.

Posting here so that I can receive all the new update to this.

Keep them coming!
Thanks

Michael

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Aug 07, 2005 at 08:14 AM
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p.48 #19 · Re: Show us YOUR Studio


It's been a while since I had a chance to visit this forum. Can't believe this thread is still going. Wow i have a lot of reading to do to get caught up.

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Aug 09, 2005 at 09:38 AM
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p.48 #20 · Re: Show us YOUR Studio


Here is a studio example. I have purchased wider backgrounds since the studio shot was taken.

http://www.jeffzoet.com/webstuff/setup01.jpg


and a sample from this setup...

http://www.jeffzoet.com/jenna/jenna21.jpg


and an on-location example.

http://www.jeffzoet.com/webstuff/setup02.jpg


...and here is a sample

http://www.jeffzoet.com/adam/0807.jpg




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