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p.35 #1 · Re: Show us YOUR Studio


Are they spend last money to pay for the photo? They could've bought shoes for the guy instead

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May 03, 2005 at 04:02 PM
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p.35 #2 · Re: Show us YOUR Studio


The result of my first studio shoot using Elinchrom Midi Octa Box (52inch) as the main on the right and a silver umbrella on the back drop to the left. Both lights are EL500's.

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May 03, 2005 at 04:36 PM
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p.35 #3 · Re: Show us YOUR Studio


With this shot I do like it but I think it is missing something in the lighting deptartment. Maybe a fill light lower down lighting the chest area.

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May 03, 2005 at 04:38 PM
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p.35 #4 · Re: Show us YOUR Studio


Matt, not quite sure what I think about the saturation on the first image but nice. Try to have your models exhale before you snap the trigger. Exhaling will tighten the mussels in the correct way (sometimes asking people to flex isn't the right natural look).

Anyways, on another subject. Some setup shots:

http://www.squid.com/fred/setup6.jpg

http://www.squid.com/fred/setup7.jpg

http://refract.com/images/content/Start/People/304896034.jpg

Oh, and I still blame JohnE for the last $800 or so of my studio. I would have never purcahsed seamless paper, plexiglass, an octadome, or AB800's if it wasn't for him. Gurr...

Edited by Squid Nick on May 03, 2005 at 06:44 PM GMT

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May 03, 2005 at 08:50 PM
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p.35 #5 · Re: Show us YOUR Studio


Hey Nicolas. Seamless really added a nice touch to you photos! I would say it took them to the "next level". I have the same color blue seamless and love it. I know exactly where you're coming from about posts here provoking equipment purchases! lol

Did you use a hair light in the shot of the couple? I think it really would have benefitted to "kick" them out of the background a bit. Also, maybe try moving your key light a bit higher. It seems the hottest spot in is the middle of the shot (mostly his shirt) and their faces could use some more light (just my taste). Sorry - I know this isn't really a critique thread. Although, I think it would be beneficial to see if you agree or not and why - we could both learn

The plexiglas looks fine. Is it the 4x8 your were talking about earlier? I guess as long as the relection is going foward it isn't such a big deal with some PS blur.

Anyways...Thanks a lot for taking the time to add more setup shots! I really enjoy them all and hope to see more. Take care.

Carlos

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May 03, 2005 at 09:19 PM
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p.35 #6 · Re: Show us YOUR Studio


The "couple" is actually photographer Josh Tillman (popular Buy & Sell / Landscape guy) and the model, taken by me. It was his shoot, so the picture of the girl was taken by Tillman. I was just doing the setup shots because I didn't have any of the extra strobes.

As far as the key light goes, not talking about the unposed "couple" shot, I think I had it too much to the side. I've looked at some Maxim setup shots and they tend to use hard lighting as the key light and they put it right next to the photographer to give a certian bright area on the closer parts of the body. Hard to explain what I mean by that but whatever. Hair light could have been turned up considerbly. It's all my studio equipment and I did the setup, but I wasn't monitoring the usage. Left that up to Tillman. But hey, it's all an improvement.

And yes, I love hair lights as long as there is a 3rd person to position it. Models move around too much I've decided and I had a 10 degree grid on it, so they had to stay where I wanted them for it to work.

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May 03, 2005 at 09:53 PM
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p.35 #7 · Re: Show us YOUR Studio


Squid Nick wrote:
The "couple" is actually photographer Josh Tillman (popular Buy & Sell / Landscape guy) and the model, taken by me. It was his shoot, so the picture of the girl was taken by Tillman. I was just doing the setup shots because I didn't have any of the extra strobes.

As far as the key light goes, not talking about the unposed "couple" shot, I think I had it too much to the side. I've looked at some Maxim setup shots and they tend to use hard lighting as the key light and they put it right next to the
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Refering to the Maxim photos, did you mean next to the models, rather than photographer? I have some Maxim magazines but a sample image would be great.

I know exactly what you mean about the constant changing body positions of models in relation to lights. That's why I try to visualize the shot (lighting and pose) before I even setup the lights. But sometimes you get that one shot that has a killer pose/expression but a accent light missed it's mark so I know what you mean.

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May 03, 2005 at 10:24 PM
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p.35 #8 · Re: Show us YOUR Studio


Images from OMP photographer Mike Brochu (http://www.onemodelplace.com/member.cfm?P_ID=5244)
http://static.onemodelplace.com/images/articles/studioGlam_article7/Studiophoto3_large.jpg

http://static.onemodelplace.com/images/articles/studioGlam_article7/Studiophoto1_large.jpg

http://static.onemodelplace.com/images/articles/studioGlam_article7/ksimage1eFinal_large.jpg

The key light is a hard light (no difuser) and is placed near the camera lens. This makes her legs and arms have that glow right in the middle of them. It's an interesting method I haven't tried yet. I tend to stay away from any of my lights being hard besides the hair light.

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May 04, 2005 at 01:55 AM
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p.35 #9 · Re: Show us YOUR Studio


Nick, Thanks for the post. Your post of the girl in the black is very good.

Mikes work is excellent, but with his image above, other than the skill in lighting how much photoshop work goes into achieving this glamor look, with the faultless skin tones and even glow.

Matt


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May 04, 2005 at 06:45 AM
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p.35 #10 · Re: Show us YOUR Studio


Nick, those are some really nice looking setups and your images on OMP look really nice. Any more stuff you want to share?

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May 04, 2005 at 07:29 AM
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p.35 #11 · Re: Show us YOUR Studio


Maybe I'll upload the PSD sometime and link it. The image of the blue background girl was on the edge of what I found acceptable to work with. There were some big lighting issues since I wasn't the photographer and I walked away from the shoot hoping my lighting setup was setup right. But as always, positions change and I should have been there to re-adjust the light. Oh well.

JohnE has, I think somewhere on this thread, a few posts about how to get the background to look good and remove the edge of the plexiglass. All the same method I use. Past that, you guys should setup a cheap account at OMP. They have great tutorials on really advanced photoshop concepts. They kinda do a bad job with them, but as long as you're aware of better ways to do things (always use layers and layer masks!) then they're great writeups.

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May 04, 2005 at 11:38 AM
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p.35 #12 · Re: Show us YOUR Studio


Nicholas...

What a great job of sharing your examples, experiences and knowledge. That's exactly why this thread is so great... everyone sharing their knowledge and experience.

Maybe I can retire now!

Always my best.
John

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May 04, 2005 at 01:27 PM
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p.35 #13 · Re: Show us YOUR Studio


I just keep coming back to this thread, and I keep being stunned by the diversity and creativity of everyone. Nice work folks.

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May 04, 2005 at 05:56 PM
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p.35 #14 · Re: Show us YOUR Studio


JohnE wrote:
Nicholas...
What a great job of sharing your examples, experiences and knowledge. That's exactly why this thread is so great... everyone sharing their knowledge and experience.
Maybe I can retire now!
Always my best.
John

John,
Don't even think about it! You are a fixture here, and always will be.. tks. Ed

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May 05, 2005 at 07:47 AM
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p.35 #15 · Re: Show us YOUR Studio


Here's my first post. I just read through this post and was awe inspired. I'm in the process of setting up my really small studio, and would really appreciate JohnE and all of your feedback.

Keep in mind that the room size is 10.5' x 13.5' w/ 8' ceilings. I've got about another 14 months left on my lease, so this will have to do. My current work is for product photography - primarily clothing w/ full body mannequins, various small accessories, toys, and collectibles, etc.

I would say that 90+ percent of my current work requires all the images to have a white background. Full blown out with little PS work is the goal. I'm currently using 3 hot lights and some seamless and it's just not cutting it. Besides I'm tired of sweating. In any case, I'll stop rambling and get to the point.

I'm about to pull the trigger with the following equipment.

2 AB800
3 AB400
Sekonic L-358 - w/ radio transmitter
2 pocket wizards - 1 multimax, 1 Plus receiver
AB wired remote
1 HD stand w/ casters and boom from AB
2 AB Background stands
I have another boom w/casters from amnova
I have 6 C-stands already - 3 sizes from Amvona
I also have 3 40" grip arms
5 AB mod units for lights
2 AB Barndoors
1 set of 4 Honeycomb grids
1 set of gels, nd filters, diffusion filters, UV, warming filters

AB umbrellas - want to get at least a couple, but not sure what size and or type and color to get. I'm thinking of using at least 2 for the background lights

I'm considering their softboxes/octoboxes - but I'm debating between theirs and photoflex - I could save some money with them by getting the 20% discount.

Giottos MT-8180 Carbon Fiber Tripod - Markins M10L
Bogen / Manfrotto 681B 3 Section Monopod w/ 3232 swivel head, markins QR Clamp
RRS L Bracket

Lenses
60mm f/2.8D AF Micro Nikkor
Nikkor 50mm f/1.4D or the Nikkor 50mm f/1.8D ?
Nikkor 70-300mm f/4.0-5.6D ED - for outdoor beginning tele fun.

Some white, black, clear 6 x 8 plexiglass.

2 sawhorses, or something for small product.

9' White, black seamless on Autopole type system or something wall or ceiling mounted.

Misc. - sandbags, weights, clamps, foamcore, reflectors.

I would really like to set-up the curtains like JohnE.

Hey john do you have the rail on the ceiling running around the whole perimeter of the room? Also, ho do you have the curtains hooked up that are in front of your background lights?
Lastly, did you just leave the curtains long at 10 feet, or did you cut them?

Thanks for all of your help in advance.

Edited on Dec 21, 2007 at 11:13 PM



May 06, 2005 at 11:55 PM
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p.35 #16 · Re: Show us YOUR Studio


George... I think I remember your post from the "other" forums Like many have said before on that thread your space is pretty limiting.

To get full-body length shots in that size room I'm worried you're probably going to need go wide-angle with the 1.6x crop. You'll need to use something like 24mm (36mm on the D70) focal length. Is there a door or something you can step out into to shoot the full-length shot?

Don't take this the wrong way, it's mostly out of curiousity, but you seem to be getting a lot more gear than is nessasary for your mentioned use(s). Especially for your mentioned use(s).

Mod units are not necessary to mount barndoors, grid, or filters. I don't see a snoot on your list that's the only accessory that requires the unit. Five seems a bit over-kill IMO. If you do use filters what are the chances you'll be using all five lights at once all using filters/gels? One more question about the filters...What are your planned use for them? Particuallarly the UV?

I'm to presume from your questions that this will be your first experience with studio lighting? So on top of everything else I would like to suggest some books. Now I'm sure there are many great books on the suject but I'll only include those that I've read and consider "must-read" for beginners on lighting. I feel one of the most comprehensive books I've read and is a great reference is "Light - Science and Magic", by Fil Hunter and Paul Fuqua. That one is a bit expensive (although a drop in the bucket compared to what you're spending on the gear) but worth it. The second, which is smaller and cheaper is "Learning to Light" by Roger Hicks and Frances Schultz. Both great starter books. You didn't mention any portraiture but may be helpful with the mannequins is a book like "Master Lighting Guide for Portrait Photographers" by Christopher Grey. Learning the some styles like loop, rembrant, butterfly, etc could be useful.

Anyways, this is just my opinion. As always someone will come in with some more advice. I wish you luck. I'm sure you'll have a blast, enjoy!



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May 07, 2005 at 12:33 PM
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p.35 #17 · Re: Show us YOUR Studio


Hi,

I have read every one of the posts on this thread now - takes an awful long time, but it's the best forum thread ever!

In regard to the PS'ping of the line between the plexiglass and the seamless, could someone explain this technique, please.

The earlier background blurring technique described by John is fantastic (many, many thanks!) and has made me revisit many of my earlier attempts and correct the backgrounds - previously I tried to use the healing brush or clone stamp to copy from a better lit area - a total ball-ache!!!

Great thread - some pretty awesome setups too!

Garry



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May 08, 2005 at 02:28 PM
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GeorgeHuff wrote:
I would really like to set-up the curtains like JohnE.
Hey john do you have the rail on the ceiling running around the whole perimeter of the room? Also, ho do you have the curtains hooked up that are in front of your background lights?
Lastly, did you just leave the curtains long at 10 feet, or did you cut them?
Thanks for all of your help in advance.


Wow! That's some list of equipment George. You're gonna make some photo supplier very happy.

About the curtains... The curtain track makes a "U" shape just around the shooting area. I left the curtains long at 10" so I could have them drape forward (in a swoop) if I needed the effect. I'm not sure I understand your question about the curtain and the background lights. Could youn please clarify?

Best regards,
John


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May 08, 2005 at 07:31 PM
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p.35 #19 · Re: Show us YOUR Studio


I am going to be poor now...

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May 08, 2005 at 10:23 PM
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p.35 #20 · Re: Show us YOUR Studio


John,

I was hoping you would respond to this thread before I placed my order this week. I’ve looked at your work and you have set the bar to a standard that I only hope to someday achieve. My background is in industrial, and digital design, and I need to incorporate photography into my work.

Right now most of my work is website and conceptual design, and I have a steady client base that requires about 150-200 new products a week and each product requires 5-6 images/photos each. All of the shots require an all white background, and I’m trying to achieve this hot white style to decrease the photoshop work.

Clothing shots of full body mannequins represents about 70%, while small electronics, toys, etc., represent the rest of the product work. I felt I should mention this so that you could look at my list, and tell me your thoughts based on my current needs.

I’m willing to invest the money, because I already have the work. I would really like to decrease the 40-60 hours a week that we spend in photoshop. I really don’t want to purchase unnecessary equipment, but I also want to make sure I have everything covered. Keep in mind that the room size is 10.5' x 13.5' w/ 8' ceilings. I would really appreciate your advice on the following list I have put together.

2 AB800
3 AB400
1 Sekonic L-358 - w/ radio transmitter
3 Pocket wizards - 1 multimax, 1 PW Plus kit transmitter and receiver
1 AB wired remote
1 HD stand w/ casters and boom from AB
2 AB Background stands
1 Boom w/casters from amvona – already own
6 C-stands - 3 different sizes from amvona - already own
3 40" grip arms - - already own
2 AB barndoors
1 set of 4 honeycomb grids
1 set of gels, nd filters, diffusion filters
2 AB or Photoflex umbrellas? – I want to get at least a couple, but not sure what size and or type and color to get. I'm thinking of using at least 2 for the background lights like your using John.

1 - 5’ octobox - or softbox? - not sure about the size?
1 – 3’ octobox – or softbox? - not sure about the size?
1 – hairlight softbox – not sure what size?

I'm really debating whether to get the AB or Photoflex softboxes/octoboxes - I could save some money with AB and also use the 20% discount, but everybody seems to favor Photoflex or better quality boxes.

Giottos MT-8180 Carbon Fiber Tripod - Markins M10L
Bogen / Manfrotto 681B 3 Section Monopod w/ 3232 swivel head, markins QR Clamp
RRS L Bracket

Lenses
60mm f/2.8D AF Micro Nikkor
50mm f/1.4D or the Nikkor 50mm f/1.8D?
Nikkor 70-300mm f/4.0-5.6D ED - for outdoor beginning tele fun.

Some white, black, clear 6 x 8 plexiglass.

2 sawhorses, or something for small product.

9' White, black seamless on Autopole type system or something wall or ceiling mounted.

Misc. - sandbags, weights, clamps, foamcore, reflectors.

Black curtains around the room on a rail system.

JohnE wrote:
I'm not sure I understand your question about the curtain and the background lights. Could youn please clarify?

In your pictures of your studio I noticed that you put a set of black curtains on each side, in front of 2 background lights w/umbrellas. It appeared that these curtains were not on the same rail system as the other curtains, and I was wondering how you have these curtains hung.

Thanks,
George




Carlos,

No offense taken, I actually have very limited experience with studio photography. Please let me know what you think I should purchase for my needs. I’m glad you gave some opinions, and I hope others do as well. That’s part of learning.

I actually have been working with 3 hot lights and a tent for the last year with a Nikon 990 and a cheap Quantray tripod. I realize that’s not a lot of experience, but I know I’m baking and working to hard, therefore it’s time to move on.

I do have some good reading material – The Lighting Cookbook, Master Lighting Guide, and Close-Up Photography. I’ve ordered the Light: Science and Magic book. I’ll check out the other titles you’ve mentioned as well.

I’ll take your advice and avoid the mod units and the uv and some of the other filters. I just don’t know what I need. I don’t have any idea how I would use any of the filters – I just thought I would get them all because they are so cheap – like $100 for all of them with a 20% discount. Figured I could use them eventually?

Unfortunately, the door is not an option – It a side entrance that won’t help.

Do you have a particular lens that you would recommend to accommodate the 24-36mm range?

Thanks,
George
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