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I've heard the FA version of the P645 35mm has more field curvature than the A version does, so the A version is better for landscapes (but who knows if this is one person's experience with only a few lens copies). Digiloyd said the new HD version is better again, but he only tested on Pentax 645Z.


Nov 06, 2016 at 02:30 AM
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Also are you guys aware of HCam modified Mirex adapter. He has used the Canon 16-35L F4IS and popes out the rear plastic baffling (popped out with fingers).

https://m.facebook.com/HCamde-122001131245665/










Shift amount.




Nov 06, 2016 at 02:45 AM
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He is not . I think he uses a metabones sets it for F8 and shuts it off at F8. Or some form of that procedure to keep it at F8. Stefan is over at my place and has full articles on it's use. It's very interesting setup


Nov 06, 2016 at 09:26 AM
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That's a lot of shift for a lens designed for full frame.

Unfortunately, I would find it a huge pain to have to haul around a Canon body to adjust the aperture, or to have to mount the lens to a Metabones adapter on my Sony, adjust the aperture and then put it back. I guess it would work if you only ever used one aperture...



Nov 06, 2016 at 09:27 AM
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Here is a link to Stefans site on all this


http://www.hcam.de/en/index.htm



Nov 06, 2016 at 09:29 AM
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I think you are mixed up between the construction of the adapter and changing the lens Fstop. I'm talking about the fact he uses some of Mirex's parts in his adapter.

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He is not . I think he uses a metabones sets it for F8 and shuts it off at F8. Or some form of that procedure to keep it at F8. Stefan is over at my place and has full articles on it's use. It's very interesting setup




Nov 06, 2016 at 08:39 PM
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No, you don't need to carry a canon body to change the Fstop. You can use a Metabones adapter in green mode. You probably would be carrying one anyways with that set up. Far easier.

When I'm use my Canon 17TSE or my 24TSE I almost always use f11 in green mode and live preview at that setting. It is very important to focus at f8-11 to know critical focus at full shifts and this can only be achieved by seeing the live preview stopped down. This is critical to getting the most out of those lenses due to field curvature at shift, very apparent the 17TSE.

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That's a lot of shift for a lens designed for full frame.

Unfortunately, I would find it a huge pain to have to haul around a Canon body to adjust the aperture, or to have to mount the lens to a Metabones adapter on my Sony, adjust the aperture and then put it back. I guess it would work if you only ever used one aperture...




Nov 06, 2016 at 08:53 PM
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Here is a photo of the HCam adapter using Mirex parts. I don't know if this was just a prototype. But it is the photos he's posted. I've needed to mod the Mirex adapters myself due to huge flaring they can cause.







Nov 06, 2016 at 09:09 PM
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TakenWild, how did you mod the Mirex to prevent flare?


Nov 06, 2016 at 10:23 PM
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Buried in an earlier post from me in this thread is a description of the "flocking" material you need, including where you get it. I don't know how other people do this, but I just cut bits of the flocking material to size and glued them into the adapter using the adhesive backing. It took me about 20 minutes and has lasted through a lot of use.


Nov 07, 2016 at 03:44 PM
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Amazing news.. I spoke to Mirex on the phone. It turns out that they have updated the mechanisms so that all of the adapters have the arca foot and rear standard shifting. So now I do get the cake and eat it too!

I changed my order from eos-nex to Mamiya 645 -EOS. I am too intrigued by the Mamiya 50mm shift lens to pass it by. It is quite possible to get 24mm of usable shift with this lens, which would give me a triple frame vertical shift shot that adds up to 126 megapixels with the A7rII. That is the recipe I am after for very large prints. Additionally, shifting the 50 that much will give me a pretty large increase in field of view, so we shall see.

Mirex also told me that if my Mamiya 50 lens didn't work out and I want to switch to Pentax 645, I could do so, for a little extra cash to make the switch.





Nov 07, 2016 at 06:56 PM
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Good luck with this Mark. Be sure to update us on how it turns out!


Nov 07, 2016 at 09:19 PM
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rdeloe wrote:
That's a lot of shift for a lens designed for full frame.

Unfortunately, I would find it a huge pain to have to haul around a Canon body to adjust the aperture, or to have to mount the lens to a Metabones adapter on my Sony, adjust the aperture and then put it back. I guess it would work if you only ever used one aperture...


I'm currently using the HCam Master Tilt/Shift adapter (EOS to FE mount) paired with a Nikon 16-35 f/4G lens, of course with a second Nikon G to EOS adapter. The image circle scales with the zoom, so by the time you get to 24mm, there's a healthy image circle. I haven't measured it, but those numbers don't surprise me.

I'm using the Nikon so that I have some kind of manual control over the aperture and don't have to muck about with using a second Canon body or Metabones/MC-11/Commlite adapter. That said, I do wonder about the wisdom of two adapters and keeping everything aligned. Perhaps I shouldn't worry about it if I'm intentionally tilting the image plane?

However, the Nikon shows some pretty strong color tints as you shift it. I'm considering renting the Canon 16-35 f/4 to see if the image quality is there and whether the lack of easy control over the aperture is a deal-breaker.

For longer focal lengths, I'm using the older Contax/Zeiss 35-70 f/3.5 and 100-300 f/4.5-5.6 zooms. Again, as you zoom to longer focal lengths, the image circle gets bigger so that by the time you're in the midrange of the zoom you have a usable option for shift (and tilting is viable much earlier).



Nov 10, 2016 at 12:55 AM
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The Mirex came, the Mamiya 50mm Shift came, and the Novoflex came - it was like an early Christmas here in Miami :-)

I am very impressed with the Mirex. It is their latest version (recently updated and upgraded) of the Mamiya 645 to EOS. The machining and manufacture of the adapter is very high end. Quite impressive. Gears would be nice, but the product is top notch.

I then adapted the Mirex with the Novoflex EOS-NEX to fit on my Sony A7rII.

The Mamiya shift lens is a nice lens to hold in the hand. The gear driven shift mechanism works smoothly. There is a tiny bit of wiggle when it is mounted to the Mirex, but nothing serious I think.

I had a pretty busy day, so I couldn't devote a ton of time to this test, but I had to give it a whirl. I attached the camera in the portrait orientation, and took it to my front yard, and aimed it at my neighbor's house across the street. The camera was leveled, and the shift mechanisms were zeroed. I shot the center frame, followed by a frame shifted to the right 15mm on the Mirex, then to the left 15mm on the Mirex, next, I shifted the Mamiya lens itself to 10mm, and added that to the 15mm on the Mirex and shot two more frames, one extreme left, one extreme right.

The aperture was f/16.

In lightroom, I post produced the files as I would normally. A bit of clarity, sharpening, white balance, the usual set. I also removed some green and red fringing using the tools in Lightroom. Next, I used Photoshop's auto align, and auto blend functions, and that was the end of the experiment.

The results are a file that measures 16238 x 7787, basically a 1:2 panoramic. The field of view on this 50mm lens after all of this crazy shifting and stitching is a touch wider than my 25mm Batis FE prime lens.

When pixel peeping, this is not the absolute finest image quality I have seen, but I must say, it's pretty darned good! That, when considering the extreme amount of shift, 25mm in either direction, is saying quite a lot. The Cambo Actus gives 20mm of shift, and most tech cams will not shift this much. I think I have found the tech cam solution on a shoestring budget. $1000 for the 3 items, and I have a 127 megapixel image on the Sony A7rII.

I saved the file and loaded it for any of you to view and download in full res. Here's the link to download the full res version saved to JPEG level 10 in photoshop:
http://marktomarasphotography.pixieset.com/mamiya50mmshiftmirex/

When I get some time, I will take this to a cool location where I can shoot some architecture and do a more controlled test, seeking for the optimal sharpness with aperture, and get a more interesting image. I have to say, if you want to print large, the combo of the Mamiya 50mm shift and the Mirex looks like a match made in heaven.

I now want to see if I can get an image as sharp as one of my older shots on a Hasselblad 501 camera, Hasselblad 50mp digital back and Hasselblad wide angle lens (I had the 50 and the 40 IF back in the day). I've printed those to 44x60 inches, so as long as I can best that, I will be quite thrilled! More to come...




Nov 16, 2016 at 05:33 PM
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I just shot with the Mamiya 50mm f/4 shift & the Mirex again, this time in a slightly more interesting environment, and also with a bit more careful technique. I added 2 more shots to the download link (in the above post). The shots are a 5 frame portrait orientation stitch with similar technique as mentioned above, and also a 3 shot portrait stitch with shifting left and right on the Mirex, and a 13mm vertical rise on the Mamiya shift mechanism.

Both of these new shots were at f/11, which I found to be optimal with this lens. f/8 is a very close 2nd. f/16 as I shot the 1st test shows softness from diffraction. A little other testing shows f/4 quite soft, and 22 & 32 also quite undesirable. However, f/11 is KILLER!!!

I mentioned that the IQ on the test shot didn't blow me away. But now that I tried a little harder and used the optimal aperture, I am sold. The Mamiya 50 Shift & Mirex. Damn straight!

After much research, I just ordered the Mamiya 150mm f/2.8. If it performs as sharp or better than the 50 shift, and I can get the full 15mm of Mirex shift, that should be an excellent performer as well!

Part of me feels sad that I didn't go Pentax, as I was really curious about those lenses, and particularly at the Pentax 35mm. A wide that good would be great, and I have a feeling the Mamiya wide will not impress me. I suppose I could buy that Pentax 35mm lens and a Mirex just for it. $1000 for a finely performing wide angle tilt shift lens is not so. bad, but I think I will be happy with shifting my 50 for a while...

Thanks for all the advice everyone, check out the link for full res downloads. More to come...



Nov 18, 2016 at 05:03 PM
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Just added 4 images to the test site...
http://marktomarasphotography.pixieset.com/mamiya50mmshiftmirex/



Nov 21, 2016 at 09:40 PM
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