p.5 #1 · Official: Hasselblad X1D-50c Medium Format Mirrorless
Fred Miranda wrote:
Hassy is taking Sony's footsteps. They designed a mirrorless camera with two compact lenses. (35/2.8 and 70/2.5 full frame equiv.) Sony did the same with their A7R and FE 35/2.8 and 55/1.8 lenses + existing adapted lenses.
The are definitely pushing the idea of best of both worlds. Superior MF IQ in a small system.
I feel that the speed of the lenses is very reasonable given that they have to cover a larger sensor and still strive for compactness. Leica is the usual suspect for fast lenses and their S lenses are comparably rated: but much more expensive particularly if these are leaf shutter lenses..
p.5 #2 · Official: Hasselblad X1D-50c Medium Format Mirrorless
I think the camera is pretty interesting. I'm always wanted to try digital medium format and this is much easier on the wallet than a lot of the other options. Plus mirrorless giving access to basically all MF lenses is great. I'll be very curious to see the image quality of this camera.
However......it's a Hasselblad. And to me that is not good. Ever since I have seen their audacity of trying to sell rebadged sonys for insane prices..... I can't trust them. Is their markup the same for all their stuff? Just recently they had $8000 rebates off of their cameras. Who's to say this isn't a Sony copy of a camera to come? Looking at the button layout, it's probably safe to say it's not....
p.5 #3 · Official: Hasselblad X1D-50c Medium Format Mirrorless
I agree..it's fine to think I will use a longer lens to take this shot to get compression, with the thought that you'll back up to frame the shot.
But it's not a strawman. I've had numerous discussions with multiple photographers who think that it's the focal length alone: I.e., a shot taken with a full frame camera with an 85mm lens and one taken with an APS C camera at 56mm from the same spot (with obviously identical framing) will yield completely different perspectives and different levels of compression. It's a very commonly held belief. I even had to correct Doug Kaye, who is on This Week in Photo, who stated that in one of his podcasts. He argued with me until I showed him the article I wrote on it, after which he had a smack the head moment.
justruss wrote:
No, but these things aren't totally independent either. You may not be able to look at the output of 10 cameras and sort them by CCD and CMOS-- but you're kidding yourself (and taking too much hear burn medicine) if you think that the design constraints associated with CCD vs CMOS don't have an impact on the output (or choices made regarding electronics and knock-on impacts on color science decisions).
This is another straw man. Perspective doesn't change because of focal lengths-- but back in the real world photographers move forward or backward when framing an image in part because of the focal length of their lenses and the format of what they are shooting (not to mention sticky things like MFD). It doesn't matter that you can get the same perspective shooting a 14mm or 400mm lens... in the real world you don't shoot those two lenses at the same subjects from the same distances (and that's not even discussing resolution, enlargement, output, viewing distance).
Similar relationships hold when considering larger formats.
Optics is one thing (my background is physics, mind you). Actual shooting, in the real world, means that we ultimately think and make decisions in terms of concepts like "functionally" and "equivalent."
p.5 #4 · Official: Hasselblad X1D-50c Medium Format Mirrorless
Nathan honestly here is the real answer on these products from Hassy and Leica as well. It's all about Certain market that we as shooters are not even in the same ballpark. It was and it is all about the Asian market especially China. They are notorious for spending a boat load of money on collectible cameras. It's a even bigger market than you think and the profits are huge for these companies. So look at those products as simply a profit money hungry business model to keep these companies afloat. A year or two ago Hassy from what I heard was they where going bankrupt so this is very interesting to see this. I think Phase was going to buy them.
p.5 #5 · Official: Hasselblad X1D-50c Medium Format Mirrorless
Matt Grum wrote:
My issue with this is that the sensor in this new camera is only slightly bigger than full frame, which means all of the lauded advantages finer tonal graduations, DOF transitions or whatever, are only slightly better.
I'm thrilled that it exists as it's the first truly mirrorless medium format camera and it lends credibility to mirrorless designs in general, but I'm not buying into the hype surrounding medium format when it's not even full frame 645 (which itself always used to be the baby of the MF crowd).
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gdanmitchell wrote:
I think that the demand for true 4.5 x 6cm sensors is likely to be quite small. The quality obtainable from the 33mm x 44mm mini MF sensors is really quite excellent. Except for the lower MP, it is roughly equivalent to stitching two 24mm x 36mm 50 MP frames with room for overlap.
Such cameras could eventually be the ideal for those whose highest goals include best print quality. That is a small market perhaps...
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Yes, but... the difference is not nearly equivalent to the difference between full frame DSLR (24mm x 36mm) and old school MF (which was 645 or larger). There are a few ways that 33mm x 44mm 50MP can improve on 24mm x 36mm 50MP, though the difference is likely to be significant to a somewhat small group. The larger format holds the potential for better system resolution, which is different thing than sensor or lens resolution. There are potential noise/DR advantages. Higher photo site densities could achieve some extremely high sensor resolution levels.
There are some downsides as well. Cost is clearly one. The size and bulk/weight of lenses is another. The difficulty of producing very long lenses is an issue. Given the extremely high quality obtainable by current full frame systems, the point at which the improvements from mini MF become visible is far enough out toward the edge that most users won't find it to be a good trade.
Some who prefer the 4:3 aspect ratio (and I'm in this camp) will find that to be an advantage over full frame cameras with the same MP but using the 3:2 ratio.
Right, but go back and look at what Fred posted here. It's not THAT insignificant.
I'm not in the market for this camera. But I can see what the excitement is about, both in terms of this particular product-- and what it means in the future.
p.5 #6 · Official: Hasselblad X1D-50c Medium Format Mirrorless
Jman13 wrote:
I agree..it's fine to think I will use a longer lens to take this shot to get compression, with the thought that you'll back up to frame the shot.
But it's not a strawman. I've had numerous discussions with multiple photographers who think that it's the focal length alone: I.e., a shot taken with a full frame camera with an 85mm lens and one taken with an APS C camera at 56mm from the same spot (with obviously identical framing) will yield completely different perspectives and different levels of compression. It's a very commonly held belief. I even had to correct Doug Kaye, who is on This Week in Photo, who stated that in one of his podcasts. He argued with me until I showed him the article I wrote on it, after which he had a smack the head moment.
p.5 #11 · Official: Hasselblad X1D-50c Medium Format Mirrorless
I suspect the best thing about this new Hasselblad is that it will likely speed-up the release of other, competitive mirrorless offerings, FF and above. It's great to have options.
p.5 #12 · Official: Hasselblad X1D-50c Medium Format Mirrorless
Another note about color depth;
Leica offers 16-bit output for the Leica S but the Pentax 645Z using Sony's 50MP MF sensor 14-bit. Not sure if it means much at all.
p.5 #13 · Official: Hasselblad X1D-50c Medium Format Mirrorless
Alexluu627 wrote:
question is will the system support leaf shutter? I don't like shoot at 1/125-1/160th .
I am guessing that the native lenses are leaf shutter as that is the current Hasselblad practice. It would also serve as a clever barrier to adapted lenses as the adapter would have to incorporate a shutter.
p.5 #19 · Official: Hasselblad X1D-50c Medium Format Mirrorless
Fred Miranda wrote:
Another note about color depth;
Leica offers 16-bit output for the Leica S but the Pentax 645Z using Sony's 50MP MF sensor 14-bit. Not sure if it means much at all.
When it really gets down to it, these are merely numbers Distinguishing 12 bit from 14 from 16 is an exercise in noise ID.
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