p.31 #1 · Official: Hasselblad X1D-50c Medium Format Mirrorless
That's what I'm thinking too. The thing is I got this damn Sony kit just about perfect too. Really want the 10mm and I'm pretty much done. I did buy that 21mm converter for the RXr2 that comes today for my everywhere cam. I'm really quite happy with what I have and I have excellent copies of each lens. I have about the best VC 15 FE mount of just about anybody now call Choppy II . A outstanding Loxia 21 and 50. Killer Rx2 and a Zeiss 85 f4 ZM and to top that all of both GM lenses are perfect. I honestly have no complaints at all. The Hassy is intriguing to me because I came from MF and I do miss it but I will miss 14k more. Lol
p.31 #2 · Official: Hasselblad X1D-50c Medium Format Mirrorless
GMPhotography wrote:
That's what I'm thinking too. The thing is I got this damn Sony kit just about perfect too. Really want the 10mm and I'm pretty much done. I did buy that 21mm converter for the RXr2 that comes today for my everywhere cam. I'm really quite happy with what I have and I have excellent copies of each lens. I have about the best VC 15 FE mount of just about anybody now call Choppy II . A outstanding Loxia 21 and 50. Killer Rx2 and a Zeiss 85 f4 ZM and to top that all of both GM lenses are perfect. I honestly have no complaints at all. The Hassy is intriguing to me because I came from MF and I do miss it but I will miss 14k more. Lol...Show more →
Hi Guy,
Do I hear Cambo Actus in your future? I think that may be a better choice for many of us when you consider you can use your Sony bodies mounted to the camera and wait for the upcoming A9 and A7rIII cameras. And if those really are 72 to 80MP you will have a small, light view camera with most movements and a large selection of LF, medium format, enlarging lenses, macro lenses, new Rodenstock and Schneider digital lenses, etc. for landscape, nature photography, close-up/macro, and studio photography. If I can/could swing it () that is probably how I would go at this point. Just like Brad. This would also still maintain your whole Sony system and would add tremendously to its capability and this is a much cheaper option and it is available now.
p.31 #3 · Official: Hasselblad X1D-50c Medium Format Mirrorless
Damn just lost my whole reply. Lol
I have thought about it for quite sometime and I can get a deal on one from my dealer. I was concentrating on getting my kit perfect which seems to be the case now it might be worth looking at again. Wides are tough on it but if you can use tech lenses than you are in rarified territory . They are amazing lenses. As good as our glass is not much can touch a Rodenstock or Schneider tech lens
Jun 29, 2016 at 08:57 AM
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p.31 #4 · Official: Hasselblad X1D-50c Medium Format Mirrorless
Encouraged by the price. Feel funny saying that, but $9K is a lot less than some of the Hasselblads, and I think the sensor size is similar.
What lenses can be adapted? Have some RB67, also what about older Hasselblad lenses? Which page is that on, if discussed?
p.31 #5 · Official: Hasselblad X1D-50c Medium Format Mirrorless
AmbientMike wrote:
Encouraged by the price. Feel funny saying that, but $9K is a lot less than some of the Hasselblads, and I think the sensor size is similar.
What lenses can be adapted? Have some RB67, also what about older Hasselblad lenses? Which page is that on, if discussed?
At this point, the only lenses that are supposed to be able to be adapted are the Hassleblad H lenses through means of an adapter. That is one of the points that has made many disappointed.
p.31 #6 · Official: Hasselblad X1D-50c Medium Format Mirrorless
AmbientMike wrote:
Encouraged by the price. Feel funny saying that, but $9K is a lot less than some of the Hasselblads, and I think the sensor size is similar.
What lenses can be adapted? Have some RB67, also what about older Hasselblad lenses? Which page is that on, if discussed?
Because the camera doesn't have a shutter itself you can only adapt Hasselblad's H-series which has central shutters.
p.31 #7 · Official: Hasselblad X1D-50c Medium Format Mirrorless
If I got one H it be the 24 f4 . Now there 300 is really good too I hear.
Jun 29, 2016 at 10:17 AM
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p.31 #8 · Official: Hasselblad X1D-50c Medium Format Mirrorless
philber wrote:
2 more musings. I was not impressed when Hasselblad commented that focusing through the touchscreen wasn't implemented at this time, but would be on cameras that shipped. Cameras today incorporate a lot of software, and keeping it robust and simple to use is a real job. Rushing to implement features at the last minute doesn't inspire too much confidence.
Also, on this thread, many people have declared themselves interested, even very interested. But I haven't noticed one who actually pre-ordered, even though in the US that is less than a full-scale commitment. That, again, is not really confidence inspiring.
Time will tell if prudence is indeed the right approach....Show more →
Hi Phillipe,
I am very seriously considering pre-ordering this. Not as a replacement for the Sony A7rII that I am planning on getting, but as a complement. The lenses look good and I am thinking of getting the HC 24 f/4.8; the XCD 45 f/3.5 (and the XCD 30 if it comes out at Photokina as is rumoured); the HC 80 f/2.8; the HC 100 f/2.2; the HC 120 f/4 Macro II, the HC 150 f/3.2; and the HC 300 f/4.5. If anyone has used these lenses and has comments on them, I would love to hear about it. I don't think it will be a big seller, but mini MF together with a FF 35mm kit I think will become more common over the next 5 years. I hate being an early adopter but as a complimentary camera I can handle it a lot more easily.
p.31 #9 · Official: Hasselblad X1D-50c Medium Format Mirrorless
Steve Spencer wrote:
Hi Phillipe,
I am very seriously considering pre-ordering this. Not as a replacement for the Sony A7rII that I am planning on getting, but as a complement. The lenses look good and I am thinking of getting the HC 24 f/4.8; the XCD 45 f/3.5 (and the XCD 30 if it comes out at Photokina as is rumoured); the HC 80 f/2.8; the HC 100 f/2.2; the HC 120 f/4 Macro II, the HC 150 f/3.2; and the HC 300 f/4.5. If anyone has used these lenses and has comments on them, I would love to hear about it. I don't think it will be a big seller, but mini MF together with a FF 35mm kit I think will become more common over the next 5 years. I hate being an early adopter but as a complimentary camera I can handle it a lot more easily....Show more →
Hi Steve,
I guess that new job is working out for you.
Rich
Jun 29, 2016 at 11:37 AM
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p.31 #10 · Official: Hasselblad X1D-50c Medium Format Mirrorless
naturephoto1 wrote:
At this point, the only lenses that are supposed to be able to be adapted are the Hassleblad H lenses through means of an adapter. That is one of the points that has made many disappointed.
Rich
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Phillip Reeve wrote:
Because the camera doesn't have a shutter itself you can only adapt Hasselblad's H-series which has central shutters.
Been running the numbers as far as conversion factor. They kind of have to limit lenses. The sensor is larger, but not massively larger than ff. A 40 lp/mm lens, which I don't think is unusual in medium format, might not give as good of results as a ff Sony, canon, etc. with an 80 lp/mm, really good lens, which would presumably lead to a lot of complaints.
But I think Hasselblad lenses are generally very sharp.
I got 1.22-1.375 conversion factor compared to ff, depending on how the image is cropped. Probably should check that again.
Still, I wonder if you can tape contacts or something similar, and get a different lens on there?
p.31 #11 · Official: Hasselblad X1D-50c Medium Format Mirrorless
Glad to hear this Steve . I think it's worthy of the money spent and as a compliment to your Sony a great way to go. That's what I would have to do to pull this off. I already sent my drug dealer a note,they are working out there order with Hassy now. I really want to test this so let's see what the food chain can do for me. If it was Phase I would already have it in my hand to test. Hassy is a diffrent story for me at least.
Steve Spencer wrote:
Hi Phillipe,
I am very seriously considering pre-ordering this. Not as a replacement for the Sony A7rII that I am planning on getting, but as a complement. The lenses look good and I am thinking of getting the HC 24 f/4.8; the XCD 45 f/3.5 (and the XCD 30 if it comes out at Photokina as is rumoured); the HC 80 f/2.8; the HC 100 f/2.2; the HC 120 f/4 Macro II, the HC 150 f/3.2; and the HC 300 f/4.5. If anyone has used these lenses and has comments on them, I would love to hear about it. I don't think it will be a big seller, but mini MF together with a FF 35mm kit I think will become more common over the next 5 years. I hate being an early adopter but as a complimentary camera I can handle it a lot more easily....Show more →
p.31 #12 · Official: Hasselblad X1D-50c Medium Format Mirrorless
sflxn wrote:
The AF is the feature that's holding me off on this camera. Contrast detect on a medium format sensor. I have a bad feeling about that.
Why? Contrast detect is more accurate than phase detect. I would be more reluctant to buy a camera that was phase detect only, you rely an awful lot on the alignment of the AF sensor - DSLRs are already at the point where you have to calibrate your lenses yourself if you want really accurate focus (and what's the point of high resolution without that?) Plus medium format bodies aren't exactly renowned for their AF - forget 61 focus points, how about just the one!
The only problem with contrast detect is the ability to track fast moving subjects, which I don't think most people would be doing with this camera.
p.31 #13 · Official: Hasselblad X1D-50c Medium Format Mirrorless
I'm seriously considering selling off or trading my Phase One XF / IQ180 kit with lenses for one of these. Not for image quality but for SMALL and LIGHTWEIGHT. My Phase kit in the backpack weighs 28 lbs.
p.31 #14 · Official: Hasselblad X1D-50c Medium Format Mirrorless
Matt Grum wrote:
Why? Contrast detect is more accurate than phase detect. I would be more reluctant to buy a camera that was phase detect only, you rely an awful lot on the alignment of the AF sensor - DSLRs are already at the point where you have to calibrate your lenses yourself if you want really accurate focus (and what's the point of high resolution without that?) Plus medium format bodies aren't exactly renowned for their AF - forget 61 focus points, how about just the one!
The only problem with contrast detect is the ability to track fast moving subjects, which I don't think most people would be doing with this camera.
I honestly think this will be pretty fast. Hassy has done a great job of AF on there bodies. Knowing what i know of Hassy . I can tell you a couple things the sensor is a no brainer, there lenses are always really damn good, there AF has been good in the past and some say better than Phase One, Phocus software from what i hear has gotten very good. There feature sets and menu items have always been very good. These folks are not your overnight OEM, they been around. Now no its not going to be a Nikon/Canon or a Sony AF system but it will be accurate, fairly fast and get the job done. MF is work guys get that straight this is not your sisters point and shoot. This is for folks that enjoy doing the work with a fine instrument in there hand. You want to track your dog go get something else.
Honestly it should act pretty much like a A7r but I think better. If thats not good enough for you than look elsewhere. MF has never been about speed but IQ thats the mindset.
p.31 #15 · Official: Hasselblad X1D-50c Medium Format Mirrorless
DougDolde wrote:
I'm seriously considering selling off or trading my Phase One XF / IQ180 kit with lenses for one of these. Not for image quality but for SMALL and LIGHTWEIGHT. My Phase kit in the backpack weighs 28 lbs.
At 28 lbs I certainly would be thinking about it. You basically have all the money you need too with sales. If I ever go back to MF it will not be bigger than this Hassy thats a given in my book.
p.31 #16 · Official: Hasselblad X1D-50c Medium Format Mirrorless
Steve Spencer wrote:
Hi Phillipe,
I am very seriously considering pre-ordering this. Not as a replacement for the Sony A7rII that I am planning on getting, but as a complement. The lenses look good and I am thinking of getting the HC 24 f/4.8; the XCD 45 f/3.5 (and the XCD 30 if it comes out at Photokina as is rumoured); the HC 80 f/2.8; the HC 100 f/2.2; the HC 120 f/4 Macro II, the HC 150 f/3.2; and the HC 300 f/4.5. If anyone has used these lenses and has comments on them, I would love to hear about it. I don't think it will be a big seller, but mini MF together with a FF 35mm kit I think will become more common over the next 5 years. I hate being an early adopter but as a complimentary camera I can handle it a lot more easily....Show more →
I used the original HC 120/4 Macro on the H3D-39 many years back for reproduction of art work. The lens is tack sharp and contrasty but it is also extremely heavy (3 pounds). Not sure I could see using it on this new body with an adapter. I don't know what the differnece is between the older HC 120 and the version II is though. As I mentioned before, I doubt many of the HC lenses are going to be that nice to use on the X1D given their size and weight.
p.31 #17 · Official: Hasselblad X1D-50c Medium Format Mirrorless
Matt Grum wrote:
Why? Contrast detect is more accurate than phase detect. I would be more reluctant to buy a camera that was phase detect only, you rely an awful lot on the alignment of the AF sensor - DSLRs are already at the point where you have to calibrate your lenses yourself if you want really accurate focus (and what's the point of high resolution without that?) Plus medium format bodies aren't exactly renowned for their AF - forget 61 focus points, how about just the one!
The only problem with contrast detect is the ability to track fast moving subjects, which I don't think most people would be doing with this camera.
CDAF performance is limited by readout speed of the sensor, which is the real challenge with big, high-MP sensors. You simply aren't going to get the 240fps readout from the 50MP sensor that the smaller sensors can achieve.
That said, I'd expect performance to be decent by MF standards. As you note, MF AF performance is quite poor by 35mm standards.
p.31 #18 · Official: Hasselblad X1D-50c Medium Format Mirrorless
Have to tell ya my old Phase one Body was really not that bad at AF it was actually kind of quick it was the lag that killed you. There new body I hear is really nice. I think what one may miss is moving AF points past the central area. Not sure we will see anything but central zone on production models.
Jun 29, 2016 at 02:33 PM
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p.31 #19 · Official: Hasselblad X1D-50c Medium Format Mirrorless
Tariq Gibran wrote:
I used the original HC 120/4 Macro on the H3D-39 many years back for reproduction of art work. The lens is tack sharp and contrasty but it is also extremely heavy (3 pounds). Not sure I could see using it on this new body with an adapter. I don't know what the differnece is between the older HC 120 and the version II is though. As I mentioned before, I doubt many of the HC lenses are going to be that nice to use on the X1D given their size and weight.
Thanks Tariq. I am not that worried about the size of a macro lens and I will use this almost exclusively on a tripod. I do wish it had a tripod collar, but perhaps we will be able to mount the adapter to the tripod and that would be sufficient enough for my purposes. With regard to the other HC lenses. The 80 f/2.8 only weighs 475g (just over a pound) so it ought to be fine, and the 100 f/2.2 is really about the same size as most DSLR fast portrait lenses. And the 150 f/3.2 is about the same size as fast 135mm DSLR lenses. I think that is basically the trend. With the HC lenses you will have lenses that are similar in size to DSLR lenses with similar functionality--or more the size of bigger DSLR lenses like Zeiss typically makes. That is ok for me as long as long as the whole kit works and given that I will probably mostly use my A7rII for travel, but I can certainly see how it would be a concern for many.
p.31 #20 · Official: Hasselblad X1D-50c Medium Format Mirrorless
Wow, Steve! That is quite commitment: one body and 8 lenses. I'd need to be pretty d****d sure of 2 things before I even considered this. One is that the platform would last and prosper. Two is that I couldn't get the same for less money on another platform now or in the near future. Given the great speed at which Sony has been moving so far, and the reputedly parlous state of Hasselblad's affairs, I don't (yet) see either condition being met. Maybe, just maybe, if the same camera had been released by Phase, I'd feel differently. Plus I could keep on using Capture one...:-)
That said, you haven't (yet) contradicted my post, as you haven't (yet) taken the plunge...:-)
But please, pretty please, Steve, do be a guinea pig for all of us here...:-)
I think that may be a better choice for many of us when you consider you can use your Sony bodies mounted to the camera and wait for the upcoming A9 and A7rIII cameras. And if those really are 72 to 80MP you will have a small, light view camera with most movements and a large selection of LF, medium format, enlarging lenses, macro lenses, new Rodenstock and Schneider digital lenses, etc. for landscape, nature photography, close-up/macro, and studio photography. If I can/could swing it (