Shame he didn't compare the original A7 with the A7II - since they are supposed to use the same sensor, the A7 would make a better baseline for determining how much of an impact IBIS had on heat dissipation and long exposures.
p.21 #2 · Official: Hasselblad X1D-50c Medium Format Mirrorless
edwardkaraa wrote:
They do provide two most essential focal lengths right from the start, at attractive prices. For most buyers, that should be ok, and I don't think other brand adaptability will be a priority.
For a general user/ enthusiast (non professional or specialist), I think the two lenses are a decent/ so-so start. The lack of a Macro and a wider lens though is going to be an issue for many serious users. The 3 pound H system 120 Macro is a great lens but it would be a nightmare to use on this body for instance. That's going to be the same situation with many of the H system lenses. The longer 90 lens introduced though should have been at least equivalent to an 85-90mm (FF35) imo. 70mm equivalent always seems just too short in my experience.
p.21 #3 · Official: Hasselblad X1D-50c Medium Format Mirrorless
The X1D concept is to MF something in between what the A7 and RX1 concepts are to 35 mm.
Want as compact as you can get, with top glass designed specially for the sensor,? Yes, and we will give you a few lens choices as well, but not a full system.
p.21 #4 · Official: Hasselblad X1D-50c Medium Format Mirrorless
For my personal use, I would be initially happy with 4 compact native lenses. (no need to adapt anything)
18mm, 24mm, 35mm and 70mm. (full frame equiv.)
At start, the X1D will have: 24mm (Not yet announced), 35mm and 70mm. Pretty close and perhaps the addition of a 18mm (full frame equiv.) and a longer tele would do it for me. Hopefully other FLs will be added to the line-up within a couple years.
p.21 #5 · Official: Hasselblad X1D-50c Medium Format Mirrorless
Fred Miranda wrote:
BTW: Guy just sent me this info via email. I believe it's from getdpi. It contains Hasselblad's answer to many questions we may also have..
Hi TJV,
Great to hear. Here are some of the answers I can give at this very moment. All of our Swedish engineers are already gone celebrating the Swedish Midsummer - the biggest Swedish holiday during the year here in Sweden
1: Will the HTS 1.5 work with the X1D and H lens adaptor, and will adjustments be transmitted to metadata for automatic corrections in Phocus? - Yes, it is in the plan. If it works fine without compromising optical and image quality, the feature will be introduced.
2: Is there plans to impliment an electronic shutter feature so that people may take the liberty of using the X1D on such platforms as the Cambo Actus, or indeed adapting third party lenses without leaf shutters? - No, X1D will work only with the new XCD lenses or with all the existing HC/HCD lenses using the adapter. This is mainly to secure the the highest possible image quality which is key for Hasselblad.
3: Is the refresh rate of the live view feed in the EVF 30fps, and is this specification limited by the capacity of the sensor itself in that it can't output any quicker and retain the same level of detail? - X1D EVF performance is outstanding, no need for any quicker rates in here. There are EVFs out there with higher fps but the actual performance does not live up to Hasselblad quality standards. We suggest to book a demo and check out EVF's performance on your own at www.hasselblad.com/x1d
4: Can you please confirm here that the autofocus point can be moved across all areas of the sensor area? - It will, yes. At this stage it is central single focus point, but we are about to launch selectable single focus point feature.
5: Lastly, does the X1D have a focus peaking function to aid in manual focusing and checking the precise focus point? - Autofocus metering via contrast detection with instant manual focus override.
p.21 #6 · Official: Hasselblad X1D-50c Medium Format Mirrorless
freaklikeme wrote:
They're "launching" features post-announcement but pre-release? Sounds like someone decided to show off the herring before it was fully smoked.
To me, it looks like the firmware is still a work in progress and new features could be included before the first deliveries.
p.21 #7 · Official: Hasselblad X1D-50c Medium Format Mirrorless
Fred Miranda wrote:
To me, it looks like the firmware is still a work in progress and new features could be included before the first deliveries.
From the post he has made and I have another unanswered question it very much is a firmware in progress. Has the same menu items as the H6 I believe it's called but nothing set in stone as you can tell they are working on everything. Pretty normal stuff
The good news in all that was his first post was about thanking people and they are reading the forums and taking notes. This is great as they can still tweak certain features and maybe add some. Glad they are listening and I'm trying to get a unit to test as is Fred. I believe as we get closer to Photokinia more news will be coming from there camp. The pre-orders are well beyond what they thought. So that's a lot of motivation for them
As far as a closed system. Hassy has always been a closed system.Thats what they believe in. If that bothers you than not sure what to say. Some systems are some are not buyers choice.
p.21 #8 · Official: Hasselblad X1D-50c Medium Format Mirrorless
I suspected that Hassleblad would keep or try to keep this a closed system. I wonder if they intend to have an adapter for their own C/CM lenses for the camera or if an indepependent maker will make a C/CM adapter for the camera.
My interest in this camera has dropped to next to nothing as I am not looking to spend this kind of money on a closed system and can not use any of the lenses that I already own.
I will wait for Sony or another maker to offer an alternative and/or for the Sony A7rIII and A9.
GMPhotography wrote:
From the post he has made and I have another unanswered question it very much is a firmware in progress. Has the same menu items as the H6 I believe it's called but nothing set in stone as you can tell they are working on everything. Pretty normal stuff
The good news in all that was his first post was about thanking people and they are reading the forums and taking notes. This is great as they can still tweak certain features and maybe add some. Glad they are listening and I'm trying to get a unit to test as is Fred. I believe as we get closer to Photokinia more news will be coming from there camp. The pre-orders are well beyond what they thought. So that's a lot of motivation for them
As far as a closed system. Hassy has always been a closed system.Thats what they believe in. If that bothers you than not sure what to say. Some systems are some are not buyers choice....Show more →
Hi Guy,
If you recall, Sony was totally taken aback by the initial success of the S7 and the S7r. They listened to the responses by those interested, but they kept their system open. It still is and Sony, Zeiss, and CV have as well as now 3rd party makers are now or will be offering lenses for the system.
p.21 #9 · Official: Hasselblad X1D-50c Medium Format Mirrorless
naturephoto1 wrote:
I suspected that Hassleblad would keep or try to keep this a closed system. I wonder if they intend to have an adapter for their own C/CM lenses for the camera or if an indepependent maker will make a C/CM adapter for the camera.
My interest in this camera has dropped to next to nothing as I am not looking to spend this kind of money on a closed system and can not use any of the lenses that I already own.
I will wait for Sony or another maker to offer an alternative and/or for the Sony A7rIII and A9.
Hi Guy,
If you recall, Sony was totally taken aback by the initial success of the S7 and the S7r. They listened to the responses by those interested, but they kept their system open. It still is and Sony, Zeiss, and CV have as well as now 3rd party makers are now or will be offering lenses for the system.
To be fair Rich, Sony didn't have a choice here. They only designed adapters for their own A-mount and Hasselblad is doing the same thing. The limitation for third party lenses is the leaf shutter which is actually an important feature for many professionals.
Adding an electronic shutter will definitely lower IQ (slow read-out speed) and limit the camera's functionality. I already happens with the smaller sensor A7RII 'silent shutter'.
p.21 #10 · Official: Hasselblad X1D-50c Medium Format Mirrorless
GMPhotography wrote:
Adam I'm guessing that is exactly correct. It is a Nikon TTL and in one of the videos it was stared you can use a SB. That would confirm it to me. Sounds like Hassy is licensing Nikons TTL which was a smart move.
BRILLIANT!! If it works half as good as the Nikon-TTL I'm happy.
p.21 #11 · Official: Hasselblad X1D-50c Medium Format Mirrorless
I have to agree with Fred but a side note they did not discourage anyone from making third party adapters or using third party lenses. Sony as well as Hassy had or have only two . There are companies that will make adapters. Let's see what comes but we all know these companies follow the money trail. This is a new one. You watch someone will come up with a way to do it.
Btw Hassy has been beaten up for this for years. Nothing really new here
p.21 #12 · Official: Hasselblad X1D-50c Medium Format Mirrorless
Fred Miranda wrote:
To be fair Rich, Sony didn't have a choice here. They only designed adapters for their own A-mount and Hasselblad is doing the same thing. The limitation for third party lenses is the leaf shutter which is actually an essential feature for professionals.
Adding an electronic shutter will definitely lower IQ and limit the camera's functionality. I already happens with the smaller sensor A7RII 'silent shutter'.
Hi Fred,
The usage of the leaf shutter for professional usage is for having a wide selection of flash syncs. So, this is mainly for usage either for studio usage and reportage such as for weddings. It is not nearly as important a usage for landscape work unless the photographer also intends to suppelement the scene with flash. In all of the many years that I shot Large Format landscapes, I never relied on flash and all of my large format lenses have leaf shutters.
By the way, even Leica is an open system with the M and now the L (SL) mounts where other makers and camera mounts will fit their cameras. Of course the Leica cameras are Focal Plane shutter systems.
p.21 #13 · Official: Hasselblad X1D-50c Medium Format Mirrorless
Tariq Gibran wrote:
Not only that but the answer given, unsurprisingly (given Hasselblads more recent history), points to a very high probability that we will never see a focal plane shutter version nor even the ability to use an electronic shutter option in the future (even when possible with the sensor) with non Hasselblad lenses. They want to keep it a very closed system to maximize profit (maximizing image quality is marketing BS and code for this). This will likely never be an alt platform.
Hah... Exactly my thought. But you could always hack the firmware (maybe a few donations to the magic lantern group will get us an electronic shutter. And someone with a CNC machine and we'll have adapters).
p.21 #15 · Official: Hasselblad X1D-50c Medium Format Mirrorless
naturephoto1 wrote:
Hi Fred,
The usage of the leaf shutter for professional usage is for having a wide selection of flash syncs. So, this is mainly for usage either for studio usage and reportage such as for weddings. It is not nearly as important a usage for landscape work unless the photographer also intends to suppelement the scene with flash. In all of the many years that I shot Large Format landscapes, I never relied on flash and all of my large format lenses have leaf shutters.
By the way, even Leica is an open system with the M and now the L (SL) mounts where other makers and camera mounts will fit their cameras. Of course the Leica cameras are Focal Plane shutter systems.
Using a focal plane or leaf type shutter should not make any difference for landscapes or any other type of flash-less photography. But it's very useful for outdoor fashion, portraits, weddings etc...It's reason enough professionals choose this system and Hasselblad decided to keep high shutter speed flash sync functionality with new X and previous H leaf shutter lenses.
I suspect an electronic shutter would lessen the functionality of the camera with slow read-out speeds and I don't think they wanted to go that route either. There is always a possibility of leaf shutter adapters with some limitations. If it's even possible, I'm sure other companies will make it available soon enough.
p.21 #17 · Official: Hasselblad X1D-50c Medium Format Mirrorless
Unless they have a "shoot without lens" option, then it will either take a firmware hack or adapters will need to be chipped to mimic Hassy's lenses. If "shoot without lens" is available and there's a remote release port similar to or the same as the flash sync ports on their digital backs, then that opens up the possibility of C lenses, tech cameras (or even frankenlensed tech camera lenses) and other leaf-shutter lenses with a standard sync port.
It'd be interesting to see if someone could give it an electronic shutter, but given my experiences with the exposure variations using EFC and silent shutter I've seen from the a7's, I'd be surprised if you could clear the larger sensor fast enough to keep the camera as responsive as shooters would want.
p.21 #18 · Official: Hasselblad X1D-50c Medium Format Mirrorless
I don't think a leaf shutter adapter will be practical, or at least with as broad a range of shutter speeds as native. IIRC, leaf shutters are specifically placed at the point in the lens where they can be the narrowest in diameter to ensure a more consistent exposure and the shortest possible travel time/distance for the leaves. In an adapter, the shutter would be in a position behind the optics where the light rays are spreading somewhat, so there's a risk of vignetting and exposure problems (if I've visualized this correctly). Maybe it could be possible to do it at 'safer' middle shutter speeds, like 1/250 and longer? This could still be usable for landscape and static scene applications along with NDs for aperture control.
One thought was maybe someone can take one of the new X1D lenses and gut it except for the shutter assembly, then use it as an adapter tube onto which other MF lenses could be used...? But that would be an expensive adapter and the shutter diameter would probably be too narrow to avoid vignetting...
Interesting to read the quoted Hasselblad response to those questions... I agree some of it is marketing speak to deflect from the intention to keep the system closed for maximum profitability reasons.
p.21 #19 · Official: Hasselblad X1D-50c Medium Format Mirrorless
naturephoto1 wrote:
Hi Fred,
The usage of the leaf shutter for professional usage is for having a wide selection of flash syncs. So, this is mainly for usage either for studio usage and reportage such as for weddings. It is not nearly as important a usage for landscape work unless the photographer also intends to suppelement the scene with flash. In all of the many years that I shot Large Format landscapes, I never relied on flash and all of my large format lenses have leaf shutters.
By the way, even Leica is an open system with the M and now the L (SL) mounts where other makers and camera mounts will fit their cameras. Of course the Leica cameras are Focal Plane shutter systems.
Traditionally, leaf shutter lenses are used by those who need high sync speeds for outdoor use with flash/ strobe (some fashion, catalog, wedding) and maybe some sports stuff. It's certainly not essential for all professionals and many professionals even in these niches shoot without using leaf shutter lenses. Today's leaf shutters are mighty impressive though given the top speeds compared to the 1/500sec. we were once limited to (not compared to focal plane shutters but still). The biggest issue with Hasselblad and leaf shutter lenses was once being limited to this top speed of 1/500sec. It is interesting to note though that the very first Hasselblads (as the basic modular system was conceived by Victor Hasselblad) was designed around the focal plane shutter (1600F, 1000F). Later of course, Hasselblad would offer focal plane options as well (2000FC, 205, 203, 201, etc.).
The open/ closed system issue has specific significance for Hasselblad in particular given the outcry there was when they artificially prevented other digital backs from working with the H3D. The late Michael Reichmann had a lot to say about it back then. Maybe they think about a decade is enough time for folks to have forgotten about it...
p.21 #20 · Official: Hasselblad X1D-50c Medium Format Mirrorless
Fred Miranda wrote:
So, we won't have an electronic shutter on the X1D. Forget about using lenses without left shutters on it.
Also, I believe there is no MF peaking option and currently there is only one focusing point in the center of the frame. Firmware updates will add more points. (unclear how many)
Well if that's the case I will not be purchasing one! Not having the $12000 could also be the reason
