My take on that is ... don't take those photos. I am a photographer, not a birder. if I cannot get a good shot of anything I wouldn't take it at all. I guess I am not your regular bird photographer i.e. shoot any photo as long as there is a bird in the picture.
Imagemaster wrote:
Since in many cases of wildlife photography one has no control over the background, one has little control over bokeh. And not everyone can shoot with f2.8, or even f4, lenses.
Bad bokeh can sometimes be improved with proper post-processing.
bobbytan wrote:
My take on that is ... don't take those photos. I am a photographer, not a birder. if I cannot get a good shot of anything I wouldn't take it at all. I guess I am not your regular bird photographer i.e. shoot any photo as long as there is a bird in the picture.
And what you take or don't take, and what you consider a good or bad photo, is of no concern to most other photographers. Bokeh, just like the subject, is a matter of taste. There are millions of photos that are considered great shots by thousands of people that have what you probably consider bad bokeh. So what?
And that applies to many kinds of photography, not just bird photography.
"Fantastic shot of that gold medal win, but look at the poor bokeh."
I agree that there is much more to a good photo than just sharpness. Poof's shot is nice - well framed/composed. It's not critically-sharp but it's not blurry or OOF either - it's fine for web use/viewing.
MedicineMan404 wrote:
Skama, can't help here, it was my better-half's shot.
But I'd guess the problem is two amateurs doing their best but having fun doing it together Ha!
There is the concept of enjoying an image that isn't perfect ya know
She's up at the cabin while I'm down in the city, typing from the hospital even now; but when I see her this afternoon I'll shame her....best I can do!
I've had my II for a few weeks but weather, holidays and work prevented me from using it. Planning to go out with it next week. For those who have used it for BIF, do you use the electronic shutter? If you do, how is the image quality with moving subjects? Any negative effects caused by the electronic shutter?
My E-M1 Mark II has frozen up several times.
I don't recall all the details when that happened.
Taking the battery out of the camera solved the problem.
Taking the battery only out of the PBH didn't work.
However, when I unmounted and remounted the lens that unfroze the E-M1.2.
I have to keep an eye on that. No doubt the camera needs a firmware update.
Luckily I am already accustomed to dealing with such issues, thanks to my Leica M9.
Oh well, give 'em time.
johnvanr wrote:
I've had my II for a few weeks but weather, holidays and work prevented me from using it. Planning to go out with it next week. For those who have used it for BIF, do you use the electronic shutter? If you do, how is the image quality with moving subjects? Any negative effects caused by the electronic shutter?
I have not had enough time for comparisons, but the one time I did use electronic shutter in high-speed shooting of a BIF, I saw that buildings in background had a noticeable tilt. Apparently this and strange artifacts are two cons of using electronic shutter for action shots.
So for now, I only use it for when I want silent shutter.
I have to agree with you here. Just look at some of the Pulitzer Prize winners. Some with bad exposure, bad bokeh, etc. i.e. technically imperfect. Only one thing matters ... content.
Imagemaster wrote:
And what you take or don't take, and what you consider a good or bad photo, is of no concern to most other photographers. Bokeh, just like the subject, is a matter of taste. There are millions of photos that are considered great shots by thousands of people that have what you probably consider bad bokeh. So what?
And that applies to many kinds of photography, not just bird photography.
"Fantastic shot of that gold medal win, but look at the poor bokeh."
Imagemaster wrote:
Tell Poof that shooting at ISO 200 does not necessarily produce better images at f4 & 1/1600 when shooting moving subjects. ISO's of 400 or 800 can produce better images if it means getting more DOF due to a smaller aperture, or getting less motion blur because of using a higher shutter speed. JMO
Thank you sir. That is something I can tell her. It's a great reminder for me as well. But I need to be sensitive in my approach, she'd just had the camera the week before we flew down and it was her first time ever enjoying BIF. Looking at her images and mine I see we could easily have upped the ISO, the shutter, and the aperture. Good info that we can apply-thanks again.
Poof says tear this one apart/all the C/C you can muster!! This shot she got in the Orlando wetlands where we walked four miles looking for Spoonbills.
This is the area we spent a lot of time in. Walk in only and many miles of trail. Each trail guarded by an alligator but I grew up on central Florida in an era where an individual could own an alligator and each year I'd try to keep a 12 inch gator alive by pushing raw hamburger down its throat with the eraser end of a pencil-never kept one alive more than a couple of months.
Regarless, with the Lumix 7-14mm-
k-h.a.w wrote:
My E-M1 Mark II has frozen up several times.
I don't recall all the details when that happened.
Taking the battery out of the camera solved the problem.
Taking the battery only out of the PBH didn't work.
However, when I unmounted and remounted the lens that unfroze the E-M1.2.
I have to keep an eye on that. No doubt the camera needs a firmware update.
Luckily I am already accustomed to dealing with such issues, thanks to my Leica M9.
Oh well, give 'em time.
K-H.
Consider your SD card, If it's a high write speed card in slot 1, It's a known problem, particular with larger capacity 2000x Lexar cards. I had a freeze up problem with a Lexar 1,000 X 64 gig card and contacted Lexar. They gave me a download app to do a reformat of the card and it hasn't hic'd since.
Gosh ... I am worried now, as I'm using the Sandisk UHS-II Extreme Pro and Lexar 2000x high speed cards. What should I do?
gary0319 wrote:
Consider your SD card, If it's a high write speed card in slot 1, It's a known problem, particular with larger capacity 2000x Lexar cards. I had a freeze up problem with a Lexar 1,000 X 64 gig card and contacted Lexar. They gave me a download app to do a reformat of the card and it hasn't hic'd since.
Bobby I have exactly same cards as does Poof in the M1ii and so far no problems, probably 3000+ clicks between us, and no lock ups.
You could contact Lexar and get the formater before hand.
The 1DXii had similar issues with some CFast cards, I just switched manufacturers in that case, ironically switching to Lexar
MedicineMan404 wrote:
Bobby I have exactly same cards as does Poof in the M1ii and so far no problems, probably 3000+ clicks between us, and no lock ups.
You could contact Lexar and get the formater before hand.
The 1DXii had similar issues with some CFast cards, I just switched manufacturers in that case, ironically switching to Lexar
MedicineMan404 wrote:
Bobby I have exactly same cards as does Poof in the M1ii and so far no problems, probably 3000+ clicks between us, and no lock ups.
You could contact Lexar and get the formater before hand.
The 1DXii had similar issues with some CFast cards, I just switched manufacturers in that case, ironically switching to Lexar
Interesting,
Pat has the 64Gb Lexar 1000X in her E-M1 II and never had a problem. We bought them as part of a 2 pack offer...... I just got the evil twin.
gary0319 wrote:
Consider your SD card, If it's a high write speed card in slot 1, It's a known problem, particular with larger capacity 2000x Lexar cards. I had a freeze up problem with a Lexar 1,000 X 64 gig card and contacted Lexar. They gave me a download app to do a reformat of the card and it hasn't hic'd since.
Many thanks for your feedback. Indeed I thought the problem might be related to my memory cards.
I use in slot 1: Lexar 64GB SDXC 2000x UHS-II card
I use in slot 2: Lexar 64GB SDXC 1000x UHS-II card
Which download app to do a reformat of the card did Lexar give you?
I am using a Mac. Does the formatter only work on a PC or is there also one for a Mac
gary0319 wrote:
Consider your SD card, If it's a high write speed card in slot 1, It's a known problem, particular with larger capacity 2000x Lexar cards. I had a freeze up problem with a Lexar 1,000 X 64 gig card and contacted Lexar. They gave me a download app to do a reformat of the card and it hasn't hic'd since.
I have been having the same problem with my Sandisk 64GB 280MB/sec SD card. On a few occasion the MK II froze up on me, and on one occasion the camera turned off and I could not turn it back on. After taking the battery out it was OK. I put my fast card in the second slot and using a Sandisk 64GB 95MB/sec card in the first one. So far no problems.
It looks like we need some firmware update by Olympus since so many of us have the same problem.
Ha!
