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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · Affordable Tilt Shift for Beginner


Been browsing some of the tilt shift threads and intrigued by the results. Any recommendation on an affordable beginner lens? Most affordable I've seen so far is the Canon 24mm TS-E version 1. While not cheap in the $600 plus range it is affordable for me. It appears most outdoor shots are stopped down to F11 or 13 so I imagine most any lens would be decently sharp by then.

Any other recommendations?



Apr 30, 2016 at 08:37 AM
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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · Affordable Tilt Shift for Beginner


You can find affordable 90 TSE used. Still an amazing lens, specially in the studio ;-)


Apr 30, 2016 at 08:55 AM
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That's how I started out with my first TSE lens in the past, too. The 24/3.5 TSE version I is smaller and IMO better built regarding the lens body than version II (version II has more plastic fantastic and plastic buttons which I like less than thee metal buttons of version I). Optically version II is better, especially in regard to vignetting in the corners of the frame when shifted fully up or down. But you can avoid this issue by simply not shifting the lens all the way up or down. Version II can also be easily rotated to get the tilt/shift function in parallel or perpendicular (with positions in between them) - you need to to this manually by rotating the lens barrel with the version I (unscrewing, rotating one lens part part 90 deg, then tightening again). I normally prefer to have tilt/shift in parallel to each other and not in 90 deg which is the factory setting.

I used the version I most often at f/8 to f/11, and it is track sharp in this aperture range. If you catch it for $600, it is a good deal IMO. I sold my copy several years ago for $750 after I upgraded to the version II. I believe it is a good idea to start out with the version I, see how it goes and how you like it, and then upgrading at a later point to version II if needed.

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Apr 30, 2016 at 08:58 AM
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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · Affordable Tilt Shift for Beginner


KiboOst wrote:
You can find affordable 90 TSE used. Still an amazing lens, specially in the studio ;-)


Thanks I did see that, should have specified I want a wide angle.



Apr 30, 2016 at 08:58 AM
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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · Affordable Tilt Shift for Beginner


KiboOst wrote:
You can find affordable 90 TSE used. Still an amazing lens, specially in the studio ;-)


+1. It really is. I bought my 90 mm TSE used, too because I don't need a future upgraded version of this lens either. I used it both for landscape and macro work. It works extremely well in infrared, too.



Apr 30, 2016 at 09:00 AM
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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · Affordable Tilt Shift for Beginner


Here's a list of old old shift lenses that you can find used, with prices from Lens$db for [E] and [M-] conditions. The prices for some of them are above $600, but you might luck out.

Olympus Zuiko 24/3.5 Shift, $700 to $1140
Nikkor 28/3.5 PC AI (black knob), $275 to $415
SMC Pentax 28/3.5 Shift, $400 to $565
Schneider PC Super-Angulon 28/2.8 shift, $88t to $1275
Nikkor 35/2.8 PC n AI (black knob), $240 to $400
Olympus 35/2.8 Zuiko Shift, $290 to $434
Schneider PA-Curtagon 35/4 Shift, $350 to $540

Also, there's a relatively new 24/3.5 TS lens from Samyang, which seems to be on-par with the older Canon TS-E 24/3.5L. I haven't used either of these lenses (or any of those listed above). You can compare them at the TDP lens comparison site,

http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=841&Camera=453&Sample=0&FLI=0&API=3&LensComp=347&CameraComp=453&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=0&APIComp=3

In the old days, I started with separate shift and tilt adapters, for P6 (Pentacon 6) lenses on Canon EOS bodies. There seem to be fewer options like this on eBay at the moment, but I'm basing this on just one visit (today). For example, see P6 to EOS Shift adapter, eBay item 391296423420

I compared Pentacon P6, Hassleblad, and Mamiya 645 lenses at 50/55mm and at 80mm, and they're all pretty good. The HC and M645 were slightly better than P6, but not so much that you'd notice in most situations. I decided to go with Mamiya 645, because they're generally smaller and less expensive that the HC equivalents, and then I got a Mirex M645 to EOS tilt-shift adapter (which costs about $600 on its own).

I tend to use mostly shift for wide lenses and mostly tilt for longer lenses, and so having separate adapters for tilt and for shift isn't a bad way to start out. I recommend Mamiya 645 lenses, in particular; C 55/2.8N, C 80/2.8N, and A 150/2.8. On a FF DSLR, they provide image quality as good as anything available from existing Canon and Zeiss lenses (including L-series), and they're dirt cheap. The M645 35/3.5 N is not bad, but the TS-E 24/3.5L II + 1.4x III is better. If you want high image quality at 24mm and wider, you might as well bite the bullet and get the current Canon TS-E lenses. I currently use the TS-E 17/4L, 24/3.5L II (+ 1.4x III for 35mm), and Mirex adapter with the three M645 lenses I mentioned above.

All of the lenses mentioned here, and all Canon TS lenses, are included in the Lens Price Database,

Lens$db, http://tinyurl.com/jcolwell-lensdb



Apr 30, 2016 at 09:09 AM
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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · Affordable Tilt Shift for Beginner


@jcowell Thanks for the response!



Apr 30, 2016 at 09:14 AM
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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · Affordable Tilt Shift for Beginner


I highly recommend the original Canon EF 24 TSE. I used it for architecture for many years before finally upgrading to the v. II model. With the low prices today, I've thought of buying it again as a "knock-around" lens for landscape shooting where I might not want to endanger my newer version exposing to branches and the elements.

The original is certainly lighter, and smaller, so easier to carry around. Image quality is very good, if not as stellar as the new model, and is greatly improved today with PP features in LR and PS to remove CA and other mild aberrations.

I would certainly buy the Canon over the other Alt choices. It was a ground breaking lens when introduced and remains viable today. An added bonus is you get electronic aperture control and all the expected exif info.

It has extremely close-focusing as well!

Favorite apertures were f/9 to f/13 for best sharpness with adjustments. f/3.5 works great for close-up, giving pleasing bokeh.



Apr 30, 2016 at 09:37 AM
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jcolwell wrote:
I recommend Mamiya 645 lenses, in particular; C 55/2.8N, C 80/2.8N, and A 150/2.8. On a FF DSLR, they provide image quality as good as anything available...


Comments on any of the Pentax 645 zooms?

Dan



Apr 30, 2016 at 11:16 AM
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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · Affordable Tilt Shift for Beginner


jcolwell wrote:
I recommend Mamiya 645 lenses, in particular; C 55/2.8N, C 80/2.8N, and A 150/2.8. On a FF DSLR, they provide image quality as good as anything available...

gdanmitchell wrote:
Comments on any of the Pentax 645 zooms?

Dan


I've never used any Pentax 645 zooms. I had a P645 -A 35/3.5 which was very nice. I think it's still in use by the FM usual suspect who bought it from me (and who convinced Mirex to make the P645 EOS TS adapter).



Apr 30, 2016 at 01:15 PM
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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · Affordable Tilt Shift for Beginner


Thx.



Apr 30, 2016 at 01:23 PM
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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · Affordable Tilt Shift for Beginner


Perhaps somewhat off-topic, anybody have any idea how a TS-E 45mm + 2x extender III would compare to a TS-E 90mm? I mean, would it be usable?




Apr 30, 2016 at 05:38 PM





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