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p.20 #1Contax 35-70 vs 24-70 GM? Ultimate landscape lens?
My VS has arrived, or at least I've got back to it.
Late at night here is Australia, but I could't resist a couple of preliminary tests.
I set it upt 35mm and f8 fairly close of a still life set up at 2m away.
multiple exposures of each lens, chose the best of each to compare. But all similar.
I compared with my beloved little FE 35 2.8
The VS SLAUGHTERED it to my consternation. I had to repeat the test.
Same result.
In the very centre not much difference at all. Everywhere on the periphery, not just the corners, VS way nicer.
A degree if asymmetry in the FE too (which it didn't used to have at infinity at least: left side worse)
Sure the tripod didn't move between lens changes. In any case repeated.
Here is a typical crop (VS on left)
And here's the context
Got a conference for a few days; proper glacier tests at infinity when I get back...
Late at night here is Australia, but I could't resist a couple of preliminary tests.
I set it upt 35mm and f8 fairly close of a still life set up at 2m away.
multiple exposures of each lens, chose the best of each to compare. But all similar.
I compared with my beloved little FE 35 2.8
The VS SLAUGHTERED it to my consternation. I had to repeat the test.
Same result.
In the very centre not much difference at all. Everywhere on the periphery, not just the corners, VS way nicer.
A degree if asymmetry in the FE too (which it didn't used to have at infinity at least: left side worse)
Sure the tripod didn't move between lens changes. In any case repeated.
Here is a typical crop (VS on left)
And here's the context
Got a conference for a few days; proper glacier tests at infinity when I get back...
Apr 28, 2016 at 06:34 AM
p.20 #2Contax 35-70 vs 24-70 GM? Ultimate landscape lens?
Fred Miranda wrote:
I think I will swap the FE 28/2 for the Distagon 28/2.8 until we get a Loxia.The CY 28/2.8 is very nice. The manual focus is so smooth and a pleasure to use. We can really nail peak focus.
There is moderate field curvature though (inwards). I don't think it's as bad as the ZE version but it's something to keep in mind. My copy is slightly decentered in one axis.
Here are crops showing the best extreme corners this lens can give when focused on that area. (At expense of considerable center resolution) - It's also shot with better lighting. I think that when focused on that area, f/8 looks really good.
for what it's worth, samuli has reported that the field curvature on the c/y 28/2.8 is considerably lessoned by the kolari sensor mod. that small gain is probably not worth losing performance with FE mount lenses for most people, but if you want a small prime setup it might be.
personally i would just go with the c/y 28/2.8 + contax g 45/2 + 90/2.8 rather than the 35-70mm zoom for a smaller better performing setup, but then you lose all the in between focal lengths.
GMPhotography wrote
Just need to find one cheap at some point. I only want it for when I'm not taking the zoom. Bottom line here we are not going to beat the zoom in most cases. If you have a Choppy, a lovely Loxia 21 , GM 85 and the GM 24-70 you can stop right there and have the best in class for Sony cams right now. I have the Loxia 50 and if I add a nice 28mm than its a better travel package without the zoom. Dare I say a big kit that can be divided into two kits. At this point that's all I'm after and I think it would be a great kit for a lot of folks. The big trick here is simply this and I feel the pain but you have to get over the size and weight of the zoom. It's too damn freaking good a lens to ignore and folks I'm not the friendliest zoom person. But I realize how damn stinking good it is at 24,28,35 and 50 too plus you get a very decent 70 not killer but very good and honestly if you did the match with some primes the zoom is really not that bad. That's kind of my final conclusion and you all know how much I debate this still internally. I feel very comfortable right now on how I got to this point. Tomorrow Zeiss or Sony may announce something new but I can't shoot the future I can only shoot what I have in my hands. Man that was just to logicalFred Miranda wrote
GMPhotography wrote
No contest. Okay I'm not a 28mm F2 fan at all anyway so maybe thats bias but at F8 the Sony still can't produce . Okay so can you get that out of your bag now.There is moderate field curvature though (inwards). I don't think it's as bad as the ZE version but it's something to keep in mind. My copy is slightly decentered in one axis.
Here are crops showing the best extreme corners this lens can give when focused on that area. (At expense of considerable center resolution) - It's also shot with better lighting. I think that when focused on that area, f/8 looks really good.
for what it's worth, samuli has reported that the field curvature on the c/y 28/2.8 is considerably lessoned by the kolari sensor mod. that small gain is probably not worth losing performance with FE mount lenses for most people, but if you want a small prime setup it might be.
personally i would just go with the c/y 28/2.8 + contax g 45/2 + 90/2.8 rather than the 35-70mm zoom for a smaller better performing setup, but then you lose all the in between focal lengths.
Apr 28, 2016 at 08:08 AM
p.20 #3Contax 35-70 vs 24-70 GM? Ultimate landscape lens?
sebboh wrote:
I think I will swap the FE 28/2 for the Distagon 28/2.8 until we get a Loxia.The CY 28/2.8 is very nice. The manual focus is so smooth and a pleasure to use. We can really nail peak focus.
There is moderate field curvature though (inwards). I don't think it's as bad as the ZE version but it's something to keep in mind. My copy is slightly decentered in one axis.
Here are crops showing the best extreme corners this lens can give when focused on that area. (At expense of considerable center resolution) - It's also shot with better lighting. I think that when focused on that area, f/8 looks really good.for what it's worth, samuli has reported that the field curvature on the c/y 28/2.8 is considerably lessoned by the kolari sensor mod. that small gain is probably not worth losing performance with FE mount lenses for most people, but if you want a small prime setup it might be.
personally i would just go with the c/y 28/2.8 + contax g 45/2 + 90/2.8 rather than the 35-70mm zoom for a smaller better performing setup, but then you lose all the in between focal lengths.
Hi Derek,
I probably do similar to what you have suggested to Fred. Though I have my Leica R 35-70mm f4 Vario Elmar lens. I do not normally carry this. I would normally carry either my Leica M 24mm f3.8 Asph or my Leica R 28mm 2.8 Elmarit V3, my Zeiss 35mm f1.4 Distagon ZM (or substitute my Minolta CLE MC 40mm f2 M-Rokkor for a smaller lighter package), and my M 90mm f2.5 Summarit lens.
Rich
Edited on Apr 28, 2016 at 08:24 AM · View previous versions
Fred Miranda wrote
GMPhotography wrote
Just need to find one cheap at some point. I only want it for when I'm not taking the zoom. Bottom line here we are not going to beat the zoom in most cases. If you have a Choppy, a lovely Loxia 21 , GM 85 and the GM 24-70 you can stop right there and have the best in class for Sony cams right now. I have the Loxia 50 and if I add a nice 28mm than its a better travel package without the zoom. Dare I say a big kit that can be divided into two kits. At this point that's all I'm after and I think it would be a great kit for a lot of folks. The big trick here is simply this and I feel the pain but you have to get over the size and weight of the zoom. It's too damn freaking good a lens to ignore and folks I'm not the friendliest zoom person. But I realize how damn stinking good it is at 24,28,35 and 50 too plus you get a very decent 70 not killer but very good and honestly if you did the match with some primes the zoom is really not that bad. That's kind of my final conclusion and you all know how much I debate this still internally. I feel very comfortable right now on how I got to this point. Tomorrow Zeiss or Sony may announce something new but I can't shoot the future I can only shoot what I have in my hands. Man that was just to logicalFred Miranda wrote
GMPhotography wrote
No contest. Okay I'm not a 28mm F2 fan at all anyway so maybe thats bias but at F8 the Sony still can't produce . Okay so can you get that out of your bag now.There is moderate field curvature though (inwards). I don't think it's as bad as the ZE version but it's something to keep in mind. My copy is slightly decentered in one axis.
Here are crops showing the best extreme corners this lens can give when focused on that area. (At expense of considerable center resolution) - It's also shot with better lighting. I think that when focused on that area, f/8 looks really good.
personally i would just go with the c/y 28/2.8 + contax g 45/2 + 90/2.8 rather than the 35-70mm zoom for a smaller better performing setup, but then you lose all the in between focal lengths.
Hi Derek,
I probably do similar to what you have suggested to Fred. Though I have my Leica R 35-70mm f4 Vario Elmar lens. I do not normally carry this. I would normally carry either my Leica M 24mm f3.8 Asph or my Leica R 28mm 2.8 Elmarit V3, my Zeiss 35mm f1.4 Distagon ZM (or substitute my Minolta CLE MC 40mm f2 M-Rokkor for a smaller lighter package), and my M 90mm f2.5 Summarit lens.
Rich
Edited on Apr 28, 2016 at 08:24 AM · View previous versions
Apr 28, 2016 at 08:14 AM
p.20 #4Contax 35-70 vs 24-70 GM? Ultimate landscape lens?
Great thread....I love my FE 28, but it does have its faults. All this testing...what about an alt 24mm to compete with the GM? Well maybe not compete, since the GM @24mm is its strongest point! But a decent landscape 24?
Apr 28, 2016 at 08:20 AM
p.20 #5Contax 35-70 vs 24-70 GM? Ultimate landscape lens?
sebboh wrote:
I think I will swap the FE 28/2 for the Distagon 28/2.8 until we get a Loxia.The CY 28/2.8 is very nice. The manual focus is so smooth and a pleasure to use. We can really nail peak focus.
There is moderate field curvature though (inwards). I don't think it's as bad as the ZE version but it's something to keep in mind. My copy is slightly decentered in one axis.
Here are crops showing the best extreme corners this lens can give when focused on that area. (At expense of considerable center resolution) - It's also shot with better lighting. I think that when focused on that area, f/8 looks really good.for what it's worth, samuli has reported that the field curvature on the c/y 28/2.8 is considerably lessoned by the kolari sensor mod. that small gain is probably not worth losing performance with FE mount lenses for most people, but if you want a small prime setup it might be.
personally i would just go with the c/y 28/2.8 + contax g 45/2 + 90/2.8 rather than the 35-70mm zoom for a smaller better performing setup, but then you lose all the in between focal lengths.
I have not received my CY 100/3.5 yet but another very light/compact 'only primes' alternative with great IQ would be:
CY 28/2.8, Loxia 50/2 and CY 100/3.5.
Just throw a good CV 15/4.5 III copy along with the the Loxia 21/2.8 and you are done!
Fred Miranda wrote
GMPhotography wrote
Just need to find one cheap at some point. I only want it for when I'm not taking the zoom. Bottom line here we are not going to beat the zoom in most cases. If you have a Choppy, a lovely Loxia 21 , GM 85 and the GM 24-70 you can stop right there and have the best in class for Sony cams right now. I have the Loxia 50 and if I add a nice 28mm than its a better travel package without the zoom. Dare I say a big kit that can be divided into two kits. At this point that's all I'm after and I think it would be a great kit for a lot of folks. The big trick here is simply this and I feel the pain but you have to get over the size and weight of the zoom. It's too damn freaking good a lens to ignore and folks I'm not the friendliest zoom person. But I realize how damn stinking good it is at 24,28,35 and 50 too plus you get a very decent 70 not killer but very good and honestly if you did the match with some primes the zoom is really not that bad. That's kind of my final conclusion and you all know how much I debate this still internally. I feel very comfortable right now on how I got to this point. Tomorrow Zeiss or Sony may announce something new but I can't shoot the future I can only shoot what I have in my hands. Man that was just to logicalFred Miranda wrote
GMPhotography wrote
No contest. Okay I'm not a 28mm F2 fan at all anyway so maybe thats bias but at F8 the Sony still can't produce . Okay so can you get that out of your bag now.There is moderate field curvature though (inwards). I don't think it's as bad as the ZE version but it's something to keep in mind. My copy is slightly decentered in one axis.
Here are crops showing the best extreme corners this lens can give when focused on that area. (At expense of considerable center resolution) - It's also shot with better lighting. I think that when focused on that area, f/8 looks really good.
personally i would just go with the c/y 28/2.8 + contax g 45/2 + 90/2.8 rather than the 35-70mm zoom for a smaller better performing setup, but then you lose all the in between focal lengths.
I have not received my CY 100/3.5 yet but another very light/compact 'only primes' alternative with great IQ would be:
CY 28/2.8, Loxia 50/2 and CY 100/3.5.
Just throw a good CV 15/4.5 III copy along with the the Loxia 21/2.8 and you are done!
Apr 28, 2016 at 08:25 AM
p.20 #6Contax 35-70 vs 24-70 GM? Ultimate landscape lens?
HelenaN wrote:
Like Fred I have both FE 28 and C/Y 28/2.8 and my findings mirror his exactly. I like my FE for people photography and close-ups, but for landscapes I much prefer the C/Y. There's not a big difference in sharpness between mine, but the photos from the C/Y come out more vivid, detailed and clear. It's apparent on my screen even without pixel peeping.
I've seen some of your images with it Helena!
I have a good copy of the FE 28/2 (I went through a few of them). For those who follow DXOmark, the test is done at close range and center only. It seems to be optimized for that. It is also a 26mm lens and has high distortion.
The CY Distagon 28//2.8 is just better when comparing them side by side at infinity distances. It definitely has more micro-contrast and resolution. At f/8, it's excellent everywhere. For landscapes, the mechanical MF is very nice. Its inwards field curvature could be an asset for landscapes if focused properly.
I believe the FE 28/2 could be better at closer distances and likely be more flare resistant.
These Contax lenses are just excellent especially for the price they are going for. CA is is very apparent towards the corners but not too difficult to fix in post. Micro-contrast and colors have the Zeiss signature.
Like Fred I have both FE 28 and C/Y 28/2.8 and my findings mirror his exactly. I like my FE for people photography and close-ups, but for landscapes I much prefer the C/Y. There's not a big difference in sharpness between mine, but the photos from the C/Y come out more vivid, detailed and clear. It's apparent on my screen even without pixel peeping.
I've seen some of your images with it Helena!
I have a good copy of the FE 28/2 (I went through a few of them). For those who follow DXOmark, the test is done at close range and center only. It seems to be optimized for that. It is also a 26mm lens and has high distortion.
The CY Distagon 28//2.8 is just better when comparing them side by side at infinity distances. It definitely has more micro-contrast and resolution. At f/8, it's excellent everywhere. For landscapes, the mechanical MF is very nice. Its inwards field curvature could be an asset for landscapes if focused properly.
I believe the FE 28/2 could be better at closer distances and likely be more flare resistant.
These Contax lenses are just excellent especially for the price they are going for. CA is is very apparent towards the corners but not too difficult to fix in post. Micro-contrast and colors have the Zeiss signature.
Apr 28, 2016 at 08:33 AM
p.20 #7Contax 35-70 vs 24-70 GM? Ultimate landscape lens?
Fred Miranda wrote:
I think I will swap the FE 28/2 for the Distagon 28/2.8 until we get a Loxia.The CY 28/2.8 is very nice. The manual focus is so smooth and a pleasure to use. We can really nail peak focus.
There is moderate field curvature though (inwards). I don't think it's as bad as the ZE version but it's something to keep in mind. My copy is slightly decentered in one axis.
Here are crops showing the best extreme corners this lens can give when focused on that area. (At expense of considerable center resolution) - It's also shot with better lighting. I think that when focused on that area, f/8 looks really good.for what it's worth, samuli has reported that the field curvature on the c/y 28/2.8 is considerably lessoned by the kolari sensor mod. that small gain is probably not worth losing performance with FE mount lenses for most people, but if you want a small prime setup it might be.
personally i would just go with the c/y 28/2.8 + contax g 45/2 + 90/2.8 rather than the 35-70mm zoom for a smaller better performing setup, but then you lose all the in between focal lengths.I have not received my CY 100/3.5 yet but another very light/compact 'only primes' alternative with great IQ would be:
CY 28/2.8, Loxia 50/2 and CY 100/3.5.
Just throw a good CV 15/4.5 III copy along with the the Loxia 21/2.8 and you are done!
yeah, that was my thinking, though i doubt i would have much use for a 15mm myself. if you get everything in m-mount it actually cuts down size a fair bit if you just use one adapter...
sebboh wrote
Fred Miranda wrote
GMPhotography wrote
Just need to find one cheap at some point. I only want it for when I'm not taking the zoom. Bottom line here we are not going to beat the zoom in most cases. If you have a Choppy, a lovely Loxia 21 , GM 85 and the GM 24-70 you can stop right there and have the best in class for Sony cams right now. I have the Loxia 50 and if I add a nice 28mm than its a better travel package without the zoom. Dare I say a big kit that can be divided into two kits. At this point that's all I'm after and I think it would be a great kit for a lot of folks. The big trick here is simply this and I feel the pain but you have to get over the size and weight of the zoom. It's too damn freaking good a lens to ignore and folks I'm not the friendliest zoom person. But I realize how damn stinking good it is at 24,28,35 and 50 too plus you get a very decent 70 not killer but very good and honestly if you did the match with some primes the zoom is really not that bad. That's kind of my final conclusion and you all know how much I debate this still internally. I feel very comfortable right now on how I got to this point. Tomorrow Zeiss or Sony may announce something new but I can't shoot the future I can only shoot what I have in my hands. Man that was just to logicalFred Miranda wrote
GMPhotography wrote
No contest. Okay I'm not a 28mm F2 fan at all anyway so maybe thats bias but at F8 the Sony still can't produce . Okay so can you get that out of your bag now.There is moderate field curvature though (inwards). I don't think it's as bad as the ZE version but it's something to keep in mind. My copy is slightly decentered in one axis.
Here are crops showing the best extreme corners this lens can give when focused on that area. (At expense of considerable center resolution) - It's also shot with better lighting. I think that when focused on that area, f/8 looks really good.
personally i would just go with the c/y 28/2.8 + contax g 45/2 + 90/2.8 rather than the 35-70mm zoom for a smaller better performing setup, but then you lose all the in between focal lengths.
CY 28/2.8, Loxia 50/2 and CY 100/3.5.
Just throw a good CV 15/4.5 III copy along with the the Loxia 21/2.8 and you are done!
yeah, that was my thinking, though i doubt i would have much use for a 15mm myself. if you get everything in m-mount it actually cuts down size a fair bit if you just use one adapter...
Apr 28, 2016 at 08:36 AM
p.20 #8Contax 35-70 vs 24-70 GM? Ultimate landscape lens?
sebboh wrote:
The CY 28/2.8 is very nice. The manual focus is so smooth and a pleasure to use. We can really nail peak focus.
There is moderate field curvature though (inwards). I don't think it's as bad as the ZE version but it's something to keep in mind. My copy is slightly decentered in one axis.
Here are crops showing the best extreme corners this lens can give when focused on that area. (At expense of considerable center resolution) - It's also shot with better lighting. I think that when focused on that area, f/8 looks really good.for what it's worth, samuli has reported that the field curvature on the c/y 28/2.8 is considerably lessoned by the kolari sensor mod. that small gain is probably not worth losing performance with FE mount lenses for most people, but if you want a small prime setup it might be.
personally i would just go with the c/y 28/2.8 + contax g 45/2 + 90/2.8 rather than the 35-70mm zoom for a smaller better performing setup, but then you lose all the in between focal lengths.I have not received my CY 100/3.5 yet but another very light/compact 'only primes' alternative with great IQ would be:
CY 28/2.8, Loxia 50/2 and CY 100/3.5.
Just throw a good CV 15/4.5 III copy along with the the Loxia 21/2.8 and you are done!yeah, that was my thinking, though i doubt i would have much use for a 15mm myself. if you get everything in m-mount it actually cuts down size a fair bit if you just use one adapter...
I think I'm getting the CY 100/3.5 tomorrow. Can't wait to try it out.
For those who prefer only one or two lenses for landscapes, imo there is nothing better than the 24-70/2.8 GM + CV 15/4.5 III in your pocket. If 15mm is too wide, just go with the zoom and call it a day.
Fred Miranda wrote
sebboh wrote
Fred Miranda wrote
GMPhotography wrote
Just need to find one cheap at some point. I only want it for when I'm not taking the zoom. Bottom line here we are not going to beat the zoom in most cases. If you have a Choppy, a lovely Loxia 21 , GM 85 and the GM 24-70 you can stop right there and have the best in class for Sony cams right now. I have the Loxia 50 and if I add a nice 28mm than its a better travel package without the zoom. Dare I say a big kit that can be divided into two kits. At this point that's all I'm after and I think it would be a great kit for a lot of folks. The big trick here is simply this and I feel the pain but you have to get over the size and weight of the zoom. It's too damn freaking good a lens to ignore and folks I'm not the friendliest zoom person. But I realize how damn stinking good it is at 24,28,35 and 50 too plus you get a very decent 70 not killer but very good and honestly if you did the match with some primes the zoom is really not that bad. That's kind of my final conclusion and you all know how much I debate this still internally. I feel very comfortable right now on how I got to this point. Tomorrow Zeiss or Sony may announce something new but I can't shoot the future I can only shoot what I have in my hands. Man that was just to logicalFred Miranda wrote
I think I will swap the FE 28/2 for the Distagon 28/2.8 until we get a Loxia.There is moderate field curvature though (inwards). I don't think it's as bad as the ZE version but it's something to keep in mind. My copy is slightly decentered in one axis.
Here are crops showing the best extreme corners this lens can give when focused on that area. (At expense of considerable center resolution) - It's also shot with better lighting. I think that when focused on that area, f/8 looks really good.
personally i would just go with the c/y 28/2.8 + contax g 45/2 + 90/2.8 rather than the 35-70mm zoom for a smaller better performing setup, but then you lose all the in between focal lengths.
CY 28/2.8, Loxia 50/2 and CY 100/3.5.
Just throw a good CV 15/4.5 III copy along with the the Loxia 21/2.8 and you are done!
I think I'm getting the CY 100/3.5 tomorrow. Can't wait to try it out.
For those who prefer only one or two lenses for landscapes, imo there is nothing better than the 24-70/2.8 GM + CV 15/4.5 III in your pocket. If 15mm is too wide, just go with the zoom and call it a day.
Apr 28, 2016 at 09:45 AM
p.20 #9Contax 35-70 vs 24-70 GM? Ultimate landscape lens?
Fred Miranda wrote:
I've seen some of your images with it Helena!
I have a good copy of the FE 28/2 (I went through a few of them). For those who follow DXOmark, the test is done at close range and center only. It seems to be optimized for that. It is also a 26mm lens and has high distortion.
The CY Distagon 28//2.8 is just better when comparing them side by side at infinity distances. It definitely has more micro-contrast and resolution. At f/8, it's excellent everywhere. For landscapes, the mechanical MF is very nice. Its inwards field curvature could be an...Show more →
Another 28mm that someone should examine on the A7rII is the new Leica M 28 f/2.8 Elmarit ASPH. Leica has just released a new version of this lens designed for digital, whereas the old version was designed for film. Actual copies are just making their way into people's hands and the new version looks a ton better on the Leica SL than the old version. See this post at getDPI:
http://www.getdpi.com/forum/leica/57393-new-leica-lenses-announced.html#post681796
The lens has a lot of virtues including a very small size (tiny) and it weighs only 180g. And Fred, I think you would be happy to know it has a 10 blade aperture like the Loxia lenses, so it ought to make very nice sunstars. It may loose some of its luster on the A7rII, but it might not. If performance does drop off on the an unmodified A7rII, then it ought to be spectacular on a Kolari modified camera. The price is $2,200 as this lens is introduced, but you ought to be able to get used copies for about $1,500 in a couple of years and although that is expensive at that price I don't think it is a horrible value. It is a fairly unique in being such a strong performer at such a small size.
HelenaN wrote
Like Fred I have both FE 28 and C/Y 28/2.8 and my findings mirror his exactly. I like my FE for people photography and close-ups, but for landscapes I much prefer the C/Y. There's not a big difference in sharpness between mine, but the photos from the C/Y come out more vivid, detailed and clear. It's apparent on my screen even without pixel peeping.I have a good copy of the FE 28/2 (I went through a few of them). For those who follow DXOmark, the test is done at close range and center only. It seems to be optimized for that. It is also a 26mm lens and has high distortion.
The CY Distagon 28//2.8 is just better when comparing them side by side at infinity distances. It definitely has more micro-contrast and resolution. At f/8, it's excellent everywhere. For landscapes, the mechanical MF is very nice. Its inwards field curvature could be an...Show more →
Another 28mm that someone should examine on the A7rII is the new Leica M 28 f/2.8 Elmarit ASPH. Leica has just released a new version of this lens designed for digital, whereas the old version was designed for film. Actual copies are just making their way into people's hands and the new version looks a ton better on the Leica SL than the old version. See this post at getDPI:
http://www.getdpi.com/forum/leica/57393-new-leica-lenses-announced.html#post681796
The lens has a lot of virtues including a very small size (tiny) and it weighs only 180g. And Fred, I think you would be happy to know it has a 10 blade aperture like the Loxia lenses, so it ought to make very nice sunstars. It may loose some of its luster on the A7rII, but it might not. If performance does drop off on the an unmodified A7rII, then it ought to be spectacular on a Kolari modified camera. The price is $2,200 as this lens is introduced, but you ought to be able to get used copies for about $1,500 in a couple of years and although that is expensive at that price I don't think it is a horrible value. It is a fairly unique in being such a strong performer at such a small size.
Apr 28, 2016 at 11:20 AM
p.20 #10Contax 35-70 vs 24-70 GM? Ultimate landscape lens?
Steve Spencer wrote:
I've seen some of your images with it Helena!
I have a good copy of the FE 28/2 (I went through a few of them). For those who follow DXOmark, the test is done at close range and center only. It seems to be optimized for that. It is also a 26mm lens and has high distortion.
The CY Distagon 28//2.8 is just better when comparing them side by side at infinity distances. It definitely has more micro-contrast and resolution. At f/8, it's excellent everywhere. For landscapes, the mechanical MF is very nice. Its inwards field curvature could be an asset for landscapes if focused properly.
I believe the FE 28/2 could be better at closer distances and likely be more flare resistant.
These Contax lenses are just excellent especially for the price they are going for. CA is is very apparent towards the corners but not too difficult to fix in post. Micro-contrast and colors have the Zeiss signature.Another 28mm that someone should examine on the A7rII is the new Leica M 28 f/2.8 Elmarit ASPH. Leica has just released a new version of this lens designed for digital, whereas the old version was designed for film. Actual copies are just making their way into people's hands and the new version looks a ton better on the Leica SL than the old version. See this post at getDPI:
http://www.getdpi.com/forum/leica/57393-new-leica-lenses-announced.html#post681796
The lens has a lot of virtues including a very small size (tiny) and it weighs only 180g. And Fred, I think you would be happy to know it has...Show more →
I remember reading about these new lenses at the beginning of the year. The new 35/2 Summicron has 11 blades!
Where did you see the pricing for the new Summicron-M 28/2 and Elmarit f/2.8 versions?
I am hoping Zeiss will release a Loxia 28/2 soon but it will probably cost ~$1,500. The Leica at $2,000 is not too much if it works well with Sony's cover glass.
Fred Miranda wrote
HelenaN wrote
Like Fred I have both FE 28 and C/Y 28/2.8 and my findings mirror his exactly. I like my FE for people photography and close-ups, but for landscapes I much prefer the C/Y. There's not a big difference in sharpness between mine, but the photos from the C/Y come out more vivid, detailed and clear. It's apparent on my screen even without pixel peeping.I have a good copy of the FE 28/2 (I went through a few of them). For those who follow DXOmark, the test is done at close range and center only. It seems to be optimized for that. It is also a 26mm lens and has high distortion.
The CY Distagon 28//2.8 is just better when comparing them side by side at infinity distances. It definitely has more micro-contrast and resolution. At f/8, it's excellent everywhere. For landscapes, the mechanical MF is very nice. Its inwards field curvature could be an asset for landscapes if focused properly.
I believe the FE 28/2 could be better at closer distances and likely be more flare resistant.
These Contax lenses are just excellent especially for the price they are going for. CA is is very apparent towards the corners but not too difficult to fix in post. Micro-contrast and colors have the Zeiss signature.
http://www.getdpi.com/forum/leica/57393-new-leica-lenses-announced.html#post681796
The lens has a lot of virtues including a very small size (tiny) and it weighs only 180g. And Fred, I think you would be happy to know it has...Show more →
I remember reading about these new lenses at the beginning of the year. The new 35/2 Summicron has 11 blades!
Where did you see the pricing for the new Summicron-M 28/2 and Elmarit f/2.8 versions?
I am hoping Zeiss will release a Loxia 28/2 soon but it will probably cost ~$1,500. The Leica at $2,000 is not too much if it works well with Sony's cover glass.
Apr 28, 2016 at 11:47 AM
p.20 #11Contax 35-70 vs 24-70 GM? Ultimate landscape lens?
Just saw it:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1217512-REG/leica_11677_elmarit_m_28mm_f_2_8_asph.html
...and rented one. Should have it on Monday.
Fred
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1217512-REG/leica_11677_elmarit_m_28mm_f_2_8_asph.html
...and rented one. Should have it on Monday.
Fred
Apr 28, 2016 at 11:50 AM
p.20 #12Contax 35-70 vs 24-70 GM? Ultimate landscape lens?
DavidBM wrote:
My VS has arrived, or at least I've got back to it.
Late at night here is Australia, but I could't resist a couple of preliminary tests.
I set it upt 35mm and f8 fairly close of a still life set up at 2m away.
multiple exposures of each lens, chose the best of each to compare. But all similar.
I compared with my beloved little FE 35 2.8
The VS SLAUGHTERED it to my consternation. I had to repeat the test.
Same result.
In the very centre not much difference at all. Everywhere on the periphery, not just the corners, VS way nicer.
A degree if asymmetry...Show more →
indoors is not a very good way to test especially since you've got clear DOF issues on the right image. Doesnt help that you're not parallel to the wall.
My VS has arrived, or at least I've got back to it.
Late at night here is Australia, but I could't resist a couple of preliminary tests.
I set it upt 35mm and f8 fairly close of a still life set up at 2m away.
multiple exposures of each lens, chose the best of each to compare. But all similar.
I compared with my beloved little FE 35 2.8
The VS SLAUGHTERED it to my consternation. I had to repeat the test.
Same result.
In the very centre not much difference at all. Everywhere on the periphery, not just the corners, VS way nicer.
A degree if asymmetry...Show more →
indoors is not a very good way to test especially since you've got clear DOF issues on the right image. Doesnt help that you're not parallel to the wall.
Apr 28, 2016 at 12:10 PM
p.20 #13Contax 35-70 vs 24-70 GM? Ultimate landscape lens?
Oh crap where can I hide. Lol
The infinite black hole
Fred Miranda wrote:
Just saw it:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1217512-REG/leica_11677_elmarit_m_28mm_f_2_8_asph.html
I just rented one. Should have it on Monday.
Fred
The infinite black hole
Fred Miranda wrote:
Just saw it:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1217512-REG/leica_11677_elmarit_m_28mm_f_2_8_asph.html
I just rented one. Should have it on Monday.
Fred
Apr 28, 2016 at 01:37 PM
p.20 #14Contax 35-70 vs 24-70 GM? Ultimate landscape lens?
Well if your going to go there than the Leica 28mm R 2.8 you can at least buy used
Apr 28, 2016 at 01:38 PM
p.20 #15Contax 35-70 vs 24-70 GM? Ultimate landscape lens?
GMPhotography wrote:
Well if your going to go there than the Leica 28mm R 2.8 you can at least buy used
I might as well.
I'm just renting the new 28 M for a couple days to see what's about.
Well if your going to go there than the Leica 28mm R 2.8 you can at least buy used
I might as well.
I'm just renting the new 28 M for a couple days to see what's about.
Apr 28, 2016 at 02:50 PM
p.20 #16Contax 35-70 vs 24-70 GM? Ultimate landscape lens?
i just bought a 28mm. Not saying what until tests. Cause it may go right back.
Its cheap though so rule out Leica right now
Might have to talk to the owners of Big Bronco. They owe me some advertising money.
Its cheap though so rule out Leica right now
Might have to talk to the owners of Big Bronco. They owe me some advertising money.
Apr 28, 2016 at 03:06 PM
p.20 #17Contax 35-70 vs 24-70 GM? Ultimate landscape lens?
Fred Miranda wrote:
I've seen some of your images with it Helena!
I have a good copy of the FE 28/2 (I went through a few of them). For those who follow DXOmark, the test is done at close range and center only. It seems to be optimized for that. It is also a 26mm lens and has high distortion.
The CY Distagon 28//2.8 is just better when comparing them side by side at infinity distances. It definitely has more micro-contrast and resolution. At f/8, it's excellent everywhere. For landscapes, the mechanical MF is very nice. Its inwards field curvature could be an asset for landscapes if focused properly.
I believe the FE 28/2 could be better at closer distances and likely be more flare resistant.
These Contax lenses are just excellent especially for the price they are going for. CA is is very apparent towards the corners but not too difficult to fix in post. Micro-contrast and colors have the Zeiss signature.Another 28mm that someone should examine on the A7rII is the new Leica M 28 f/2.8 Elmarit ASPH. Leica has just released a new version of this lens designed for digital, whereas the old version was designed for film. Actual copies are just making their way into people's hands and the new version looks a ton better on the Leica SL than the old version. See this post at getDPI:
http://www.getdpi.com/forum/leica/57393-new-leica-lenses-announced.html#post681796
The lens has a lot of virtues including a very small size (tiny) and it weighs only 180g. And Fred, I think you would be happy to know it has a 10 blade aperture like the Loxia lenses, so it ought to make very nice sunstars. It may loose some of its luster on the A7rII, but it might not. If performance does drop off on the an unmodified A7rII, then it ought to be spectacular on a Kolari modified camera. The price is $2,200 as this lens is introduced, but you ought to be able to get used copies for about $1,500 in a couple of years and although that is expensive at that price I don't think it is a horrible value. It is a fairly unique in being such a strong performer at such a small size.I remember reading about these new lenses at the beginning of the year. The new 35/2 Summicron has 11 blades!
Where did you see the pricing for the new Summicron-M 28/2 and Elmarit f/2.8 versions?
I am hoping Zeiss will release a Loxia 28/2 soon but it will probably cost ~$1,500. The Leica at $2,000 is not too much if it works well with Sony's cover glass.
I do think they will make a Loxia 28, but I wonder whether it will be f/2 or f/2.8. An f/2.8 would be a bit disappointing but it wouldn't surprise me. I expect it to be a distagon so very different from the ZM 28, which was in my mind pretty mediocre anyway. A good revision of the C/Y 28 for digital with modern glass including an aspherical or two and some anomalous partial dispersion glass could be excellent. I guess we will have to see what they do.
With the Leica lenses, I think the new 28 Elmarit ASPH looks better than the new 35 cron ASPH--at least by the MTF charts--and I know I would prefer the 10 blades for landscapes to the 11 blades (although 11 would be nice for portraits). I really wish that Leica would standardize on 12 bladed apertures for M lenses. To me that is a nice middle ground. Plenty of blades for portraits and still very nice sunstars. I am getting a few Zeiss CP.2 lenses before long and it will be interesting to see their sunstars. They have a 14 blade aperture. I'm not sure if that will be gorgeous or perhaps a bit too many. I won't have them for a couple of months, but when I do I will post what they look like.
Leica hasn't published the datasheet for the new 28 summicron ASPH yet. It will be interesting how many blades it has. The old one had 10 blades like the Elmarit, so the new one might as well, but they might bump it up to 11 like the 35 cron ASPH. We ought to know soon. If someone out there has one and can let us know that would be great.
Steve Spencer wrote
Fred Miranda wrote
HelenaN wrote
Like Fred I have both FE 28 and C/Y 28/2.8 and my findings mirror his exactly. I like my FE for people photography and close-ups, but for landscapes I much prefer the C/Y. There's not a big difference in sharpness between mine, but the photos from the C/Y come out more vivid, detailed and clear. It's apparent on my screen even without pixel peeping.I have a good copy of the FE 28/2 (I went through a few of them). For those who follow DXOmark, the test is done at close range and center only. It seems to be optimized for that. It is also a 26mm lens and has high distortion.
The CY Distagon 28//2.8 is just better when comparing them side by side at infinity distances. It definitely has more micro-contrast and resolution. At f/8, it's excellent everywhere. For landscapes, the mechanical MF is very nice. Its inwards field curvature could be an asset for landscapes if focused properly.
I believe the FE 28/2 could be better at closer distances and likely be more flare resistant.
These Contax lenses are just excellent especially for the price they are going for. CA is is very apparent towards the corners but not too difficult to fix in post. Micro-contrast and colors have the Zeiss signature.
http://www.getdpi.com/forum/leica/57393-new-leica-lenses-announced.html#post681796
The lens has a lot of virtues including a very small size (tiny) and it weighs only 180g. And Fred, I think you would be happy to know it has a 10 blade aperture like the Loxia lenses, so it ought to make very nice sunstars. It may loose some of its luster on the A7rII, but it might not. If performance does drop off on the an unmodified A7rII, then it ought to be spectacular on a Kolari modified camera. The price is $2,200 as this lens is introduced, but you ought to be able to get used copies for about $1,500 in a couple of years and although that is expensive at that price I don't think it is a horrible value. It is a fairly unique in being such a strong performer at such a small size.
Where did you see the pricing for the new Summicron-M 28/2 and Elmarit f/2.8 versions?
I am hoping Zeiss will release a Loxia 28/2 soon but it will probably cost ~$1,500. The Leica at $2,000 is not too much if it works well with Sony's cover glass.
I do think they will make a Loxia 28, but I wonder whether it will be f/2 or f/2.8. An f/2.8 would be a bit disappointing but it wouldn't surprise me. I expect it to be a distagon so very different from the ZM 28, which was in my mind pretty mediocre anyway. A good revision of the C/Y 28 for digital with modern glass including an aspherical or two and some anomalous partial dispersion glass could be excellent. I guess we will have to see what they do.
With the Leica lenses, I think the new 28 Elmarit ASPH looks better than the new 35 cron ASPH--at least by the MTF charts--and I know I would prefer the 10 blades for landscapes to the 11 blades (although 11 would be nice for portraits). I really wish that Leica would standardize on 12 bladed apertures for M lenses. To me that is a nice middle ground. Plenty of blades for portraits and still very nice sunstars. I am getting a few Zeiss CP.2 lenses before long and it will be interesting to see their sunstars. They have a 14 blade aperture. I'm not sure if that will be gorgeous or perhaps a bit too many. I won't have them for a couple of months, but when I do I will post what they look like.
Leica hasn't published the datasheet for the new 28 summicron ASPH yet. It will be interesting how many blades it has. The old one had 10 blades like the Elmarit, so the new one might as well, but they might bump it up to 11 like the 35 cron ASPH. We ought to know soon. If someone out there has one and can let us know that would be great.
Apr 28, 2016 at 03:09 PM
p.20 #18Contax 35-70 vs 24-70 GM? Ultimate landscape lens?
Steve Spencer wrote:
I've seen some of your images with it Helena!
I have a good copy of the FE 28/2 (I went through a few of them). For those who follow DXOmark, the test is done at close range and center only. It seems to be optimized for that. It is also a 26mm lens and has high distortion.
The CY Distagon 28//2.8 is just better when comparing them side by side at infinity distances. It definitely has more micro-contrast and resolution. At f/8, it's excellent everywhere. For landscapes, the mechanical MF is very nice. Its inwards field curvature could be an asset for landscapes if focused properly.
I believe the FE 28/2 could be better at closer distances and likely be more flare resistant.
These Contax lenses are just excellent especially for the price they are going for. CA is is very apparent towards the corners but not too difficult to fix in post. Micro-contrast and colors have the Zeiss signature.Another 28mm that someone should examine on the A7rII is the new Leica M 28 f/2.8 Elmarit ASPH. Leica has just released a new version of this lens designed for digital, whereas the old version was designed for film. Actual copies are just making their way into people's hands and the new version looks a ton better on the Leica SL than the old version. See this post at getDPI:
http://www.getdpi.com/forum/leica/57393-new-leica-lenses-announced.html#post681796
The lens has a lot of virtues including a very small size (tiny) and it weighs only 180g. And Fred, I think you would be happy to know it has a 10 blade aperture like the Loxia lenses, so it ought to make very nice sunstars. It may loose some of its luster on the A7rII, but it might not. If performance does drop off on the an unmodified A7rII, then it ought to be spectacular on a Kolari modified camera. The price is $2,200 as this lens is introduced, but you ought to be able to get used copies for about $1,500 in a couple of years and although that is expensive at that price I don't think it is a horrible value. It is a fairly unique in being such a strong performer at such a small size.I remember reading about these new lenses at the beginning of the year. The new 35/2 Summicron has 11 blades!
Where did you see the pricing for the new Summicron-M 28/2 and Elmarit f/2.8 versions?
I am hoping Zeiss will release a Loxia 28/2 soon but it will probably cost ~$1,500. The Leica at $2,000 is not too much if it works well with Sony's cover glass.I do think they will make a Loxia 28, but I wonder whether it will be f/2 or f/2.8. An f/2.8 would be a bit disappointing but it wouldn't surprise me. I expect it to be a distagon so very different from the ZM 28, which was in my mind pretty mediocre anyway. A good revision of the C/Y 28 for digital with modern glass including an aspherical or two and some anomalous partial dispersion glass could be excellent. I guess we will have to see what they do.
With the Leica lenses, I think the new 28 Elmarit ASPH...Show more →
I have a feeling the next Loxia will be a tele. I believe the L28 will come but it may take a while.
Definitely 10 blades for landscapes!
I'm curious what's the best A7RII 28mm option for landscapes right now. Aside from the GM at 28mm, I tested the CY 28/2.8 which is excellent at f/8 with moderate field curvature and CA.
Next, I will test the new Leica M 28/2.8 Elmarit and the famous Olympus 28/2. -- Guy convinced me.
If the Leica Elmarit R 28/2.8 II wasn't so hard to find, I would try it out as well.
Within a budget, it would be interesting to see how the Olympus compares to the Contax.
Fred Miranda wrote
Steve Spencer wrote
Fred Miranda wrote
HelenaN wrote
Like Fred I have both FE 28 and C/Y 28/2.8 and my findings mirror his exactly. I like my FE for people photography and close-ups, but for landscapes I much prefer the C/Y. There's not a big difference in sharpness between mine, but the photos from the C/Y come out more vivid, detailed and clear. It's apparent on my screen even without pixel peeping.I have a good copy of the FE 28/2 (I went through a few of them). For those who follow DXOmark, the test is done at close range and center only. It seems to be optimized for that. It is also a 26mm lens and has high distortion.
The CY Distagon 28//2.8 is just better when comparing them side by side at infinity distances. It definitely has more micro-contrast and resolution. At f/8, it's excellent everywhere. For landscapes, the mechanical MF is very nice. Its inwards field curvature could be an asset for landscapes if focused properly.
I believe the FE 28/2 could be better at closer distances and likely be more flare resistant.
These Contax lenses are just excellent especially for the price they are going for. CA is is very apparent towards the corners but not too difficult to fix in post. Micro-contrast and colors have the Zeiss signature.
http://www.getdpi.com/forum/leica/57393-new-leica-lenses-announced.html#post681796
The lens has a lot of virtues including a very small size (tiny) and it weighs only 180g. And Fred, I think you would be happy to know it has a 10 blade aperture like the Loxia lenses, so it ought to make very nice sunstars. It may loose some of its luster on the A7rII, but it might not. If performance does drop off on the an unmodified A7rII, then it ought to be spectacular on a Kolari modified camera. The price is $2,200 as this lens is introduced, but you ought to be able to get used copies for about $1,500 in a couple of years and although that is expensive at that price I don't think it is a horrible value. It is a fairly unique in being such a strong performer at such a small size.
Where did you see the pricing for the new Summicron-M 28/2 and Elmarit f/2.8 versions?
I am hoping Zeiss will release a Loxia 28/2 soon but it will probably cost ~$1,500. The Leica at $2,000 is not too much if it works well with Sony's cover glass.
With the Leica lenses, I think the new 28 Elmarit ASPH...Show more →
I have a feeling the next Loxia will be a tele. I believe the L28 will come but it may take a while.
Definitely 10 blades for landscapes!
I'm curious what's the best A7RII 28mm option for landscapes right now. Aside from the GM at 28mm, I tested the CY 28/2.8 which is excellent at f/8 with moderate field curvature and CA.
Next, I will test the new Leica M 28/2.8 Elmarit and the famous Olympus 28/2. -- Guy convinced me.
If the Leica Elmarit R 28/2.8 II wasn't so hard to find, I would try it out as well.
Within a budget, it would be interesting to see how the Olympus compares to the Contax.
Apr 28, 2016 at 03:44 PM
p.20 #19Contax 35-70 vs 24-70 GM? Ultimate landscape lens?
GMPhotography wrote:
Might have to talk to the owners of Big Bronco. They owe me some advertising money.
We should all meet up there one day!
Might have to talk to the owners of Big Bronco. They owe me some advertising money.
We should all meet up there one day!
Apr 28, 2016 at 03:49 PM
p.20 #20Contax 35-70 vs 24-70 GM? Ultimate landscape lens?
Fred Miranda wrote:
We should all meet up there one day!
We all should its a fun little cowboy town
GMPhotography wrote
Might have to talk to the owners of Big Bronco. They owe me some advertising money.We all should its a fun little cowboy town
Apr 28, 2016 at 03:52 PM