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p.21 #1The mystery of the Zeiss look?
Here are a couple photos with Zeiss bokeh.
harry
harry
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Mar 08, 2016 at 11:16 AM
p.21 #2The mystery of the Zeiss look?
gdanmitchell wrote:
I like a Zeica, and Leiss is nice. 
That's Neiss.
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On another topic, imagine the following conversation:
Person A: "That new car, the SuperHeterodyne5000X Double-Hemi Rally Sport, has the most accurate speedometer that has ever been incorporated into a car. It measures your speed to an accuracy of .001 mph and reads out instantly! This is simply an astonishing triumph of technology. Settle for nothing less!"
Person B: "Well, OK, I've heard that is an excellent car. But my OldSchoolMobile200XL CrossTransSuper has an analog speedometer dial that tells me how fast I'm going to the nearest mph, and it drives great!"
Person A: "But you are getting an...Show more →
You just did a great job for trolling. Nothing more, nothing less.
One thing for sure, Person B must have thought that he has a superior skill that can drive a very boring car with automatic everything so that he can give lecture to person A.
jcolwell wrote
akul wrote
... It is like calling Zeica or Leiss, or Panalympus.- - - -
On another topic, imagine the following conversation:
Person A: "That new car, the SuperHeterodyne5000X Double-Hemi Rally Sport, has the most accurate speedometer that has ever been incorporated into a car. It measures your speed to an accuracy of .001 mph and reads out instantly! This is simply an astonishing triumph of technology. Settle for nothing less!"
Person B: "Well, OK, I've heard that is an excellent car. But my OldSchoolMobile200XL CrossTransSuper has an analog speedometer dial that tells me how fast I'm going to the nearest mph, and it drives great!"
Person A: "But you are getting an...Show more →
You just did a great job for trolling. Nothing more, nothing less.
One thing for sure, Person B must have thought that he has a superior skill that can drive a very boring car with automatic everything so that he can give lecture to person A.
Mar 08, 2016 at 11:19 AM
p.21 #3The mystery of the Zeiss look?
gdanmitchell wrote:
On another topic, imagine the following conversation:
Person A: "That new car, the SuperHeterodyne5000X Double-Hemi Rally Sport, has the most accurate speedometer that has ever been incorporated into a car. It measures your speed to an accuracy of .001 mph and reads out instantly! This is simply an astonishing triumph of technology. Settle for nothing less!"
Person B: "Well, OK, I've heard that is an excellent car. But my OldSchoolMobile200XL CrossTransSuper has an analog speedometer dial that tells me how fast I'm going to the nearest mph, and it drives great!"
Person A: "But you are getting an inaccurate speed readout that could...Show more →
I take it that writing analogies isn't your day job.
On another topic, imagine the following conversation:
Person A: "That new car, the SuperHeterodyne5000X Double-Hemi Rally Sport, has the most accurate speedometer that has ever been incorporated into a car. It measures your speed to an accuracy of .001 mph and reads out instantly! This is simply an astonishing triumph of technology. Settle for nothing less!"
Person B: "Well, OK, I've heard that is an excellent car. But my OldSchoolMobile200XL CrossTransSuper has an analog speedometer dial that tells me how fast I'm going to the nearest mph, and it drives great!"
Person A: "But you are getting an inaccurate speed readout that could...Show more →
I take it that writing analogies isn't your day job.
Mar 08, 2016 at 11:35 AM
p.21 #4The mystery of the Zeiss look?
Raining on a Zeiss parade will never gain one friends... 
Mar 08, 2016 at 11:47 AM
p.21 #5The mystery of the Zeiss look?
chez wrote:
Here are a couple photos with Zeiss bokeh.
harry
now, i can see this particular type of background for the rather textured surface of the flower.
for my rather simple vine image it preferred a little more background texture to contrast the plants smooth surface.
Here are a couple photos with Zeiss bokeh.
harry
now, i can see this particular type of background for the rather textured surface of the flower.
for my rather simple vine image it preferred a little more background texture to contrast the plants smooth surface.
Mar 08, 2016 at 12:39 PM
p.21 #6The mystery of the Zeiss look?
sjms wrote:
harrynow, i can see this particular type of background for the rather textured surface of the flower.
for my rather simple vine image it preferred a little more background texture to contrast the plants smooth surface.
There's a lot of visual texture in the vine (even if it's smooth to the touch), so the background is competing for attention with the subject rather than complementing it.
chez wrote
Here are a couple photos with Zeiss bokeh.harry
for my rather simple vine image it preferred a little more background texture to contrast the plants smooth surface.
There's a lot of visual texture in the vine (even if it's smooth to the touch), so the background is competing for attention with the subject rather than complementing it.
Mar 08, 2016 at 12:52 PM
p.21 #7The mystery of the Zeiss look?
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p.21 #8The mystery of the Zeiss look?
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Mar 08, 2016 at 01:42 PM
p.21 #9The mystery of the Zeiss look?
WhyFi wrote:
I take it that writing analogies isn't your day job.
Nope. Photography is part of it though. ;-)
And disagreeing ≠ trolling, though the response in the last line of my hastily written "story" is about a sort of trolling.
I take it that writing analogies isn't your day job.
Nope. Photography is part of it though. ;-)
And disagreeing ≠ trolling, though the response in the last line of my hastily written "story" is about a sort of trolling.
Mar 08, 2016 at 01:43 PM
p.21 #10The mystery of the Zeiss look?
snapsy wrote:
harrynow, i can see this particular type of background for the rather textured surface of the flower.
for my rather simple vine image it preferred a little more background texture to contrast the plants smooth surface.There's a lot of visual texture in the vine (even if it's smooth to the touch), so the background is competing for attention with the subject rather than complementing it.
A matter of taste. I like texture and for me it works. That's what its all about, relativity
sjms wrote
chez wrote
Here are a couple photos with Zeiss bokeh.harry
for my rather simple vine image it preferred a little more background texture to contrast the plants smooth surface.
A matter of taste. I like texture and for me it works. That's what its all about, relativity
Mar 08, 2016 at 01:58 PM
p.21 #11The mystery of the Zeiss look?
snapsy wrote:
So,while the choice to not choose a "nervous bokeh" drawing style could be readily realized ... the choice to choose any other drawing style of choice ... well, it's a choice.
The drawing style of lenses matter to some ... not so much to others ... and not at all to even others.
If it matters / doesn't matter to a given individual ... so be it.
Your pic, your call.
Agreed. I used to carry a D5000 + 35G f/1.8 DX every day on my hikes around Tahoe. I loved the ergonomics and small size/weight. I loved the images too...until I saw how much better other lenses render OOF areas. This is what leads one to start exploring other lenses, many of which are more expensive but which have significantly better rendering. And then eventually to Zeiss lenses, which are even better still. There's a point on the price/weight/reward continuum for everyone.
Here are some particularly nasty bokeh examples from my 35G:
https://horshack.smugmug.com/Nature/Lake-Tahoe/i-bnDKqNk/0/XL/tree_319-XL.jpg
https://horshack.smugmug.com/Nature/Lake-Tahoe/i-BrqT5Jg/0/XL/tahoe_423-XL.jpg
https://horshack.smugmug.com/Nature/Lake-Tahoe/i-DMWhtHd/0/XL/flower_293-XL.jpg
Btw I don't have any directly comparable Zeiss examples (ie, same scene and background and even same camera) but here some samples from various Zeiss lenses I own, all on FF bodies:
Zeiss 35mm Distagon on 5DM2:
https://horshack.smugmug.com/Animals/My-Dog-Manchester-Terrier/i-VvfsnXz/0/XL/dog_249-XL.jpg
Zeiss 50mm MP on 5DM2:
https://horshack.smugmug.com/Animals/My-Dog-Manchester-Terrier/i-PPHSnzz/0/XL/dog_254-XL.jpg
Zeiss 35mm Sonnar (Sony RX1) - very busy background:
https://horshack.smugmug.com/Animals/My-Dog-Manchester-Terrier/i-mZrpP2N/0/XL/dog_508-XL.jpg
RustyBug wrote
Personally, I don't care for lenses that have a strong "nervous bokeh" to them. Like most of us ... I can shoot with pretty much whatever is in my hand.So,while the choice to not choose a "nervous bokeh" drawing style could be readily realized ... the choice to choose any other drawing style of choice ... well, it's a choice.
The drawing style of lenses matter to some ... not so much to others ... and not at all to even others.
If it matters / doesn't matter to a given individual ... so be it.
Your pic, your call.
Here are some particularly nasty bokeh examples from my 35G:
https://horshack.smugmug.com/Nature/Lake-Tahoe/i-bnDKqNk/0/XL/tree_319-XL.jpg
https://horshack.smugmug.com/Nature/Lake-Tahoe/i-BrqT5Jg/0/XL/tahoe_423-XL.jpg
https://horshack.smugmug.com/Nature/Lake-Tahoe/i-DMWhtHd/0/XL/flower_293-XL.jpg
Btw I don't have any directly comparable Zeiss examples (ie, same scene and background and even same camera) but here some samples from various Zeiss lenses I own, all on FF bodies:
Zeiss 35mm Distagon on 5DM2:
https://horshack.smugmug.com/Animals/My-Dog-Manchester-Terrier/i-VvfsnXz/0/XL/dog_249-XL.jpg
Zeiss 50mm MP on 5DM2:
https://horshack.smugmug.com/Animals/My-Dog-Manchester-Terrier/i-PPHSnzz/0/XL/dog_254-XL.jpg
Zeiss 35mm Sonnar (Sony RX1) - very busy background:
https://horshack.smugmug.com/Animals/My-Dog-Manchester-Terrier/i-mZrpP2N/0/XL/dog_508-XL.jpg
Mar 08, 2016 at 02:14 PM
p.21 #12The mystery of the Zeiss look?
I must be stupid as I am still reading this. Some people don-t like or feel Zeiss. So be it. Buy another lens. Those who feel, enjoy...
Mar 08, 2016 at 02:55 PM
p.21 #13The mystery of the Zeiss look?
gdanmitchell wrote:
Nope. Photography is part of it though. ;-)
And disagreeing ≠ trolling, though the response in the last line of my hastily written "story" is about a sort of trolling.
Three attempts at a comment, but still not a shred of relevance. Bravo.
WhyFi wrote
I take it that writing analogies isn't your day job.And disagreeing ≠ trolling, though the response in the last line of my hastily written "story" is about a sort of trolling.
Three attempts at a comment, but still not a shred of relevance. Bravo.
Mar 08, 2016 at 02:55 PM
p.21 #14The mystery of the Zeiss look?
OlafSiebert wrote:
I must be stupid as I am still reading this. Some people don-t like or feel Zeiss. So be it. Buy another lens. Those who feel, enjoy...
If it was only that simple...but for some it ain't.
I must be stupid as I am still reading this. Some people don-t like or feel Zeiss. So be it. Buy another lens. Those who feel, enjoy...
If it was only that simple...but for some it ain't.
Mar 08, 2016 at 02:57 PM
p.21 #15The mystery of the Zeiss look?
WhyFi wrote:
Nope. Photography is part of it though. ;-)
And disagreeing ≠ trolling, though the response in the last line of my hastily written "story" is about a sort of trolling.Three attempts at a comment, but still not a shred of relevance. Bravo.
Great follow on to his other posts...
gdanmitchell wrote
WhyFi wrote
I take it that writing analogies isn't your day job.And disagreeing ≠ trolling, though the response in the last line of my hastily written "story" is about a sort of trolling.
Great follow on to his other posts...
Mar 08, 2016 at 02:58 PM
p.21 #16The mystery of the Zeiss look?
chez wrote:
If it was only that simple...but for some it ain't.
and why is that? why can't someone simply accept that someone else is perfectly happy with his/her equipment?
If it was only that simple...but for some it ain't.
and why is that? why can't someone simply accept that someone else is perfectly happy with his/her equipment?
Mar 08, 2016 at 03:14 PM
p.21 #17The mystery of the Zeiss look?
OlafSiebert wrote:
I must be stupid as I am still reading this. Some people don-t like or feel Zeiss. So be it. Buy another lens. Those who feel, enjoy...
And the self-acclaimed artistes among us, just keep on keepin' on.
I must be stupid as I am still reading this. Some people don-t like or feel Zeiss. So be it. Buy another lens. Those who feel, enjoy...
And the self-acclaimed artistes among us, just keep on keepin' on.
Mar 08, 2016 at 03:24 PM
p.21 #18The mystery of the Zeiss look?
OlafSiebert wrote:
chez wrote
If it was only that simple...but for some it ain't.You are preaching to the choir my friend.
Mar 08, 2016 at 03:28 PM
p.21 #19The mystery of the Zeiss look?
chez wrote:
If it was only that simple...but for some it ain't.
OlafSiebert wrote:
and why is that? why can't someone simply accept that someone else is perfectly happy with his/her equipment?
I'm good. I've been pretty successful at staying out of these bicker-fests, in the last couple of years, at least. This results in generally higher personal satisfaction and lower blood pressure.
If it was only that simple...but for some it ain't.
OlafSiebert wrote:
and why is that? why can't someone simply accept that someone else is perfectly happy with his/her equipment?
I'm good. I've been pretty successful at staying out of these bicker-fests, in the last couple of years, at least. This results in generally higher personal satisfaction and lower blood pressure.
Mar 08, 2016 at 03:38 PM
p.21 #20The mystery of the Zeiss look?
I'll say this again... if this thread appeared ONLY in the Alternative Gear forum it is very likely it would be a love-fest. Yes, there are Nikon shooters who love Zeiss lenses, as there are Canon shooters who love Zeiss lenses. Generally they go to the Alternative Gear forum to talk about such matters with other enthusiasts. When the thread lands here you are more likely to find folks who for various and sundry reasons aren't impressed with mystery or micro-contrast. We're plebians with a slightly more relaxed attitude to what our gear produces. Sadly, such discussions usually result in elbows being thrown and some participants demeaned. I'm sorry to see that since none of this is really that important. I come to FM to relax and enjoy myself. If I'm inclined to throw elbows I'd likely go to a political website. Tis the season, after all...
Mar 08, 2016 at 04:02 PM