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p.8 #190mm MF Alt for A7?
Sure thing.
timballic wrote:
That certainly would have been interesting Tyler. Perhaps another time?
timballic wrote:
TheEmrys wrote
If you were a bit closer, I would volunteer my Minolta Maxxum 100/2. I just need it too soon to take a risk with all the shipping timing.Mar 19, 2016 at 07:25 AM
p.8 #290mm MF Alt for A7?
Without reading through the entire thread: Another lens you may want to consider is Tamron Adaptall 90mm 2.5 (52BB). Razor sharp at all apertures can be had for around 100 USD. Its got Macro 1:2 macro to boot and I believe its a flat field lens. the 52BB version is very light, though you can opt for the heavier 52B version which is older and all metal - optically identical.
Mar 20, 2016 at 06:18 AM
p.8 #390mm MF Alt for A7?
starlights wrote:
Without reading through the entire thread: Another lens you may want to consider is Tamron Adaptall 90mm 2.5 (52BB). Razor sharp at all apertures can be had for around 100 USD. Its got Macro 1:2 macro to boot and I believe its a flat field lens. the 52BB version is very light, though you can opt for the heavier 52B version which is older and all metal - optically identical.
https://farm1.staticflickr.com/693/22582999988_14a542c30d_o.jpg
the 52B at least has severe sensor reflections when stopped down.
Without reading through the entire thread: Another lens you may want to consider is Tamron Adaptall 90mm 2.5 (52BB). Razor sharp at all apertures can be had for around 100 USD. Its got Macro 1:2 macro to boot and I believe its a flat field lens. the 52BB version is very light, though you can opt for the heavier 52B version which is older and all metal - optically identical.
https://farm1.staticflickr.com/693/22582999988_14a542c30d_o.jpg
the 52B at least has severe sensor reflections when stopped down.
Mar 21, 2016 at 12:50 AM
p.8 #490mm MF Alt for A7?
sebboh wrote:
https://farm1.staticflickr.com/693/22582999988_14a542c30d_o.jpgthe 52B at least has severe sensor reflections when stopped down.
Possibly, but never with 52BB. I have been using it over a year, 1000s of images later, I have yet to see even a single image with the reflection....
starlights wrote
Without reading through the entire thread: Another lens you may want to consider is Tamron Adaptall 90mm 2.5 (52BB). Razor sharp at all apertures can be had for around 100 USD. Its got Macro 1:2 macro to boot and I believe its a flat field lens. the 52BB version is very light, though you can opt for the heavier 52B version which is older and all metal - optically identical.https://farm1.staticflickr.com/693/22582999988_14a542c30d_o.jpg
Possibly, but never with 52BB. I have been using it over a year, 1000s of images later, I have yet to see even a single image with the reflection....
Mar 21, 2016 at 05:52 AM
p.8 #590mm MF Alt for A7?
starlights wrote:
https://farm1.staticflickr.com/693/22582999988_14a542c30d_o.jpgthe 52B at least has severe sensor reflections when stopped down.Possibly, but never with 52BB. I have been using it over a year, 1000s of images later, I have yet to see even a single image with the reflection....
interesting, i wonder what the difference is? i'm assuming you've shot macros with it (where the issue is most severe on the 52B)?
sebboh wrote
starlights wrote
Without reading through the entire thread: Another lens you may want to consider is Tamron Adaptall 90mm 2.5 (52BB). Razor sharp at all apertures can be had for around 100 USD. Its got Macro 1:2 macro to boot and I believe its a flat field lens. the 52BB version is very light, though you can opt for the heavier 52B version which is older and all metal - optically identical.https://farm1.staticflickr.com/693/22582999988_14a542c30d_o.jpg
interesting, i wonder what the difference is? i'm assuming you've shot macros with it (where the issue is most severe on the 52B)?
Mar 21, 2016 at 08:47 AM
p.8 #690mm MF Alt for A7?
sebboh wrote:
https://farm1.staticflickr.com/693/22582999988_14a542c30d_o.jpgthe 52B at least has severe sensor reflections when stopped down.Possibly, but never with 52BB. I have been using it over a year, 1000s of images later, I have yet to see even a single image with the reflection....interesting, i wonder what the difference is? i'm assuming you've shot macros with it (where the issue is most severe on the 52B)?
I believe this was covered before, but I have seen similar reports that the 52B (or the very similar Vivitar Series 1) flare a lot more. The 52BB supposedly has a lot better coatings, at least that is what Phillip Reeve says in his review and I have always found Phillip to be thorough and accurate--in addition to be a phenomenal photographer. Here is a like to his review:
http://phillipreeve.net/blog/tokina-x-macro-90mm-12-5-review/
starlights wrote
sebboh wrote
starlights wrote
Without reading through the entire thread: Another lens you may want to consider is Tamron Adaptall 90mm 2.5 (52BB). Razor sharp at all apertures can be had for around 100 USD. Its got Macro 1:2 macro to boot and I believe its a flat field lens. the 52BB version is very light, though you can opt for the heavier 52B version which is older and all metal - optically identical.https://farm1.staticflickr.com/693/22582999988_14a542c30d_o.jpg
I believe this was covered before, but I have seen similar reports that the 52B (or the very similar Vivitar Series 1) flare a lot more. The 52BB supposedly has a lot better coatings, at least that is what Phillip Reeve says in his review and I have always found Phillip to be thorough and accurate--in addition to be a phenomenal photographer. Here is a like to his review:
http://phillipreeve.net/blog/tokina-x-macro-90mm-12-5-review/
Mar 21, 2016 at 10:55 AM
p.8 #790mm MF Alt for A7?
Steve Spencer wrote:
https://farm1.staticflickr.com/693/22582999988_14a542c30d_o.jpgthe 52B at least has severe sensor reflections when stopped down.Possibly, but never with 52BB. I have been using it over a year, 1000s of images later, I have yet to see even a single image with the reflection....interesting, i wonder what the difference is? i'm assuming you've shot macros with it (where the issue is most severe on the 52B)?I believe this was covered before, but I have seen similar reports that the 52B (or the very similar Vivitar Series 1) flare a lot more. The 52BB supposedly has a lot better coatings, at least that is what Phillip Reeve says in his review and I have always found Phillip to be thorough and accurate--in addition to be a phenomenal photographer. Here is a like to his review:
http://phillipreeve.net/blog/tokina-x-macro-90mm-12-5-review/
that's the tokina, not the tamron, which is a different design. i'm talking about sensor reflection not flare.
sebboh wrote
starlights wrote
sebboh wrote
starlights wrote
Without reading through the entire thread: Another lens you may want to consider is Tamron Adaptall 90mm 2.5 (52BB). Razor sharp at all apertures can be had for around 100 USD. Its got Macro 1:2 macro to boot and I believe its a flat field lens. the 52BB version is very light, though you can opt for the heavier 52B version which is older and all metal - optically identical.https://farm1.staticflickr.com/693/22582999988_14a542c30d_o.jpg
http://phillipreeve.net/blog/tokina-x-macro-90mm-12-5-review/
that's the tokina, not the tamron, which is a different design. i'm talking about sensor reflection not flare.
Mar 21, 2016 at 11:01 AM
p.8 #890mm MF Alt for A7?
Oops, I wan't paying close enough attention. Then consider my comments an endorsement of the Tokina, which I think would be a better choice and not much more money.
Mar 21, 2016 at 11:34 AM
p.8 #990mm MF Alt for A7?
sebboh wrote:
https://farm1.staticflickr.com/693/22582999988_14a542c30d_o.jpgthe 52B at least has severe sensor reflections when stopped down.Possibly, but never with 52BB. I have been using it over a year, 1000s of images later, I have yet to see even a single image with the reflection....interesting, i wonder what the difference is? i'm assuming you've shot macros with it (where the issue is most severe on the 52B)?
Yes, I have, not insect, but other lens images before listing for sale and pretty regularly as well. Here are some randomly picked up images from my flickr - there are a lot more there:
These images are not cropped in any way and were mostly shot at f8 (that's what I shoot lens images at). Further, my confidence level in this lens is so high that I now shoot these images in Jpeg only with minimal PP.
I picked up this (Tamron 52BB) in mint condition from eBay for about 60USD, making it a fantastic all around value for money lens for many different purposes, including macro and portraits. Definitely a serious contender for 90mm range in my opinion.
starlights wrote
sebboh wrote
starlights wrote
Without reading through the entire thread: Another lens you may want to consider is Tamron Adaptall 90mm 2.5 (52BB). Razor sharp at all apertures can be had for around 100 USD. Its got Macro 1:2 macro to boot and I believe its a flat field lens. the 52BB version is very light, though you can opt for the heavier 52B version which is older and all metal - optically identical.https://farm1.staticflickr.com/693/22582999988_14a542c30d_o.jpg
Yes, I have, not insect, but other lens images before listing for sale and pretty regularly as well. Here are some randomly picked up images from my flickr - there are a lot more there:
These images are not cropped in any way and were mostly shot at f8 (that's what I shoot lens images at). Further, my confidence level in this lens is so high that I now shoot these images in Jpeg only with minimal PP.
I picked up this (Tamron 52BB) in mint condition from eBay for about 60USD, making it a fantastic all around value for money lens for many different purposes, including macro and portraits. Definitely a serious contender for 90mm range in my opinion.
Mar 21, 2016 at 11:39 AM
p.8 #1090mm MF Alt for A7?
starlights wrote:
https://farm1.staticflickr.com/693/22582999988_14a542c30d_o.jpgthe 52B at least has severe sensor reflections when stopped down.Possibly, but never with 52BB. I have been using it over a year, 1000s of images later, I have yet to see even a single image with the reflection....interesting, i wonder what the difference is? i'm assuming you've shot macros with it (where the issue is most severe on the 52B)?Yes, I have, not insect, but other lens images before listing for sale and pretty regularly as well. Here are some randomly picked up images from my flickr - there are a lot more there:
These images are not cropped in any way and were mostly shot at f8 (that's what I shoot lens images at). Further, my confidence level in this lens is so high that I now shoot these images in Jpeg only with minimal PP.
I picked up this (Tamron 52BB) in mint condition from eBay for about 60USD, making it a fantastic all around value for money lens...Show more →
those definitely look better, though i'm not sure those would be the best subjects to show it. here is a similar shot with the 52B:
http://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3072/5728090638_1c9db96f28_o.jpg
at f/11 with a dark subject the reflection is very clear, but at larger apertures it is more of a reduction in contrast and blueish shift in a central circle of the image.
sebboh wrote
starlights wrote
sebboh wrote
starlights wrote
Without reading through the entire thread: Another lens you may want to consider is Tamron Adaptall 90mm 2.5 (52BB). Razor sharp at all apertures can be had for around 100 USD. Its got Macro 1:2 macro to boot and I believe its a flat field lens. the 52BB version is very light, though you can opt for the heavier 52B version which is older and all metal - optically identical.https://farm1.staticflickr.com/693/22582999988_14a542c30d_o.jpg
These images are not cropped in any way and were mostly shot at f8 (that's what I shoot lens images at). Further, my confidence level in this lens is so high that I now shoot these images in Jpeg only with minimal PP.
I picked up this (Tamron 52BB) in mint condition from eBay for about 60USD, making it a fantastic all around value for money lens...Show more →
those definitely look better, though i'm not sure those would be the best subjects to show it. here is a similar shot with the 52B:
http://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3072/5728090638_1c9db96f28_o.jpg
at f/11 with a dark subject the reflection is very clear, but at larger apertures it is more of a reduction in contrast and blueish shift in a central circle of the image.
Mar 21, 2016 at 12:40 PM
p.8 #1190mm MF Alt for A7?
I am sure you are right regarding 52B and I too have read issues about blue circle. Just that I have never noticed any in my shooting requirements/conditions. Perhaps if I was shooting dedicated macros of darker subjects, I would have been more concerned, but as a regular use 90mm lens for close ups (not super macro) and portraits, I think this lens is hard to beat on value.
Perhaps when i get a chance, I will try f11 dark background macros to see if i get that effect with my 52BB.
Perhaps when i get a chance, I will try f11 dark background macros to see if i get that effect with my 52BB.
Mar 21, 2016 at 02:44 PM
p.8 #1290mm MF Alt for A7?
Thanks starlights, I tried the 72B (SP 90/2.8, native 1:1), because of all the reports and examples of sensor flare issues with the 52B/BB. (I believe the flat rear element is the same on both those)
The 72B is rarer, and rather more expensive, (mine was £135) Lovely bokeh, very similar to the Tokina, and much better contrast than the Tokina, (lighter too), but no match for the MD 100/2.5 or NAiS 105/2.5 for definition at distance.
Biggest problem is focussing it beyond 10' is about 7-8º turn, the slightest touch moves it a lot, making it a very poor experience for normal use. Every report I found about it said the same, however, I've kept it to try further.
The 72B is rarer, and rather more expensive, (mine was £135) Lovely bokeh, very similar to the Tokina, and much better contrast than the Tokina, (lighter too), but no match for the MD 100/2.5 or NAiS 105/2.5 for definition at distance.
Biggest problem is focussing it beyond 10' is about 7-8º turn, the slightest touch moves it a lot, making it a very poor experience for normal use. Every report I found about it said the same, however, I've kept it to try further.
Mar 22, 2016 at 02:20 AM
p.8 #1390mm MF Alt for A7?
It might be too late for me to suggest this, but have you ever tried this lens with a different adapter? I use the Summarit with a Metabones adapter on my A7Rii and find it to be absolutely superb! Clearly as good as if not better than the Zeiss 100MP. I tried it once with a Novflex adapter and the results at that time were not as good. The adapter does make a difference.
Mar 29, 2016 at 09:39 PM
p.8 #1490mm MF Alt for A7?
Jay968 wrote:
It might be too late for me to suggest this, but have you ever tried this lens with a different adapter? I use the Summarit with a Metabones adapter on my A7Rii and find it to be absolutely superb! I tried it once with a Novflex adapter and the results at that time were not as good. The adapter does make a difference.
Well the first one went back as faulty. The seller didn't get back to me to say that he couldn't find any fault with it on his Leica M-P 240, so I imagine he could see it too, when he knew where and what to look for.
I made sure my adapter was exact length and even all round.
Clearly as good as if not better than the Zeiss 100MP.
That really surprises me. Have you directly compared it with the MP 100/2, as that first Summarit was nothing like?
It wasn't a poor lens, but certainly didn't show any of the characteristics of the MP. (esp. that pencil thin, knife edge of sharp focus that "ripples" through the picture, as the in/out of focus is so sharply defined.)
If so, maybe I do need to try another.... one day! (Pursuing a TS-E 90/2.8 at the moment...I know, it's nothing like the MP either, but could be a very useful lens.)
It might be too late for me to suggest this, but have you ever tried this lens with a different adapter? I use the Summarit with a Metabones adapter on my A7Rii and find it to be absolutely superb! I tried it once with a Novflex adapter and the results at that time were not as good. The adapter does make a difference.
Well the first one went back as faulty. The seller didn't get back to me to say that he couldn't find any fault with it on his Leica M-P 240, so I imagine he could see it too, when he knew where and what to look for.
I made sure my adapter was exact length and even all round.
Clearly as good as if not better than the Zeiss 100MP.
That really surprises me. Have you directly compared it with the MP 100/2, as that first Summarit was nothing like?
It wasn't a poor lens, but certainly didn't show any of the characteristics of the MP. (esp. that pencil thin, knife edge of sharp focus that "ripples" through the picture, as the in/out of focus is so sharply defined.)
If so, maybe I do need to try another.... one day! (Pursuing a TS-E 90/2.8 at the moment...I know, it's nothing like the MP either, but could be a very useful lens.)
Mar 29, 2016 at 11:58 PM
p.8 #1590mm MF Alt for A7?
I am wondering if anyone has used the Nikkor 85mm 1.8 k or h on a Sony? I really like it on my Nikon bodies and have limited experience with it on m4/3, where I felt it did rather well. It is quite a better lens in my eye than the Nikon or Oly 85mm f2.
Mar 30, 2016 at 01:28 AM
p.8 #1690mm MF Alt for A7?
Hi Tim,
I have posted the first (f/8) results of our big 85-100mm shootout here:
https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1424887
More information later. Maybe one information in advance: The OM 2/100 is my favourite at f/2 and performs not really worse compared to the MP100. Unfortunately we had an adapter problem. Therefore we have only a shot at f/2.
I have posted the first (f/8) results of our big 85-100mm shootout here:
https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1424887
More information later. Maybe one information in advance: The OM 2/100 is my favourite at f/2 and performs not really worse compared to the MP100. Unfortunately we had an adapter problem. Therefore we have only a shot at f/2.
Apr 17, 2016 at 07:08 AM
p.8 #1790mm MF Alt for A7?
Thanks Jannik, I'll have a look. Glad the OM 100/2 impressed, it's my next favourite, though taking the weights into account, probably my favourite ;o) Pity about the adapter issue though, was that for the OM or the MP?
I am still interested in finding an OM 90/2 to compare it with. So far I've seen results from it, which impress, but no direct comparison with the 100/2.
I do wonder how much different copies perform. I had my OM 100/2 "set up" by an "Olympus-Approved" repairer, but still not sure how well they did it, as near minimum focus it isn't very impressive. I have since come across Gordon Friedrich of OM-Labor in Frankfurt, he's just serviced my OM 50/2 and made a big improvement in its performance. Good to deal with too, and worth the extra postage to get it to someone who knows what they're doing.
I now also own a TS-E 90/2.8, but the EF-FE adapter hasn't arrived yet, so haven't been able to try it out. All I can tell at the moment is that it is fairly compact,(for a TS), but also a bit heavier than I like. I expected it to be a bit "worn" for the price I paid, but it's in pristine condition, and looking on eBay history, I see the seller reduced it by £200 for a quick sale!
I am still interested in finding an OM 90/2 to compare it with. So far I've seen results from it, which impress, but no direct comparison with the 100/2.
I do wonder how much different copies perform. I had my OM 100/2 "set up" by an "Olympus-Approved" repairer, but still not sure how well they did it, as near minimum focus it isn't very impressive. I have since come across Gordon Friedrich of OM-Labor in Frankfurt, he's just serviced my OM 50/2 and made a big improvement in its performance. Good to deal with too, and worth the extra postage to get it to someone who knows what they're doing.
I now also own a TS-E 90/2.8, but the EF-FE adapter hasn't arrived yet, so haven't been able to try it out. All I can tell at the moment is that it is fairly compact,(for a TS), but also a bit heavier than I like. I expected it to be a bit "worn" for the price I paid, but it's in pristine condition, and looking on eBay history, I see the seller reduced it by £200 for a quick sale!
Apr 17, 2016 at 11:31 AM
p.8 #1890mm MF Alt for A7?
With an OM Z 90/2 on its way, the FD 100/2 back from its "Lens Doctor" service yesterday, and the TS-E 90/2.5 all set up on its Camdiox adapter, I now have my shortlist of six 90-105mm lenses to compare: 
(in no particular order, and group photo to follow)
MD 100/2.5
NAiS 105/2.5
FD 100/2
OM Z 100/2
OM Z 90/2
TS-E 90/2.5
RECAP: What I set out to do, was to try and find a manually focussing "substitute" for the Z* Makro Planar 100/2, that was lighter, for use on my A7, yet trying to get shallow depth of field and soft bokeh, for nearly every distance.
From what I have already seen, I think that I can categorically confirm, "There is no direct replacement for the MP 100/2".
Along the way, I have tried and rejected the following lenses for my purpose: (this is a very personal thing, some of these are, I know, favourite lenses for many others.)
Tamron 90/2.8 72B ...lovely for close and medium distances, but at distance, the focus just became too difficult to nail, and resolution at distance not quite up with the best.
Tokina 90/2.5............I found rather flat for distance (Surprised at the results after all I've read. Copy?)
CV 90/3.5 SLI........... Much flatter results than even the Tokina, (maybe SLII better, but of course not the shallow dof I really want)
Pentax K 85/1.8....... Too soft and "glowy-dreamy" wide open (brilliantly sharp/contrasty closed down to F8)
Nikon E 100/2.8........ Up there with the best at F8-11, but poor corners before F/8, also a pronounced green/yellow signature)
Summarit M 90/2.5....The lens I received did have a fault,(soft top left corner), but I could tell that otherwise it was very similar to my excellent copy of the MD 100/2.5, so I didn't pursue another.
(in no particular order, and group photo to follow)
MD 100/2.5
NAiS 105/2.5
FD 100/2
OM Z 100/2
OM Z 90/2
TS-E 90/2.5
RECAP: What I set out to do, was to try and find a manually focussing "substitute" for the Z* Makro Planar 100/2, that was lighter, for use on my A7, yet trying to get shallow depth of field and soft bokeh, for nearly every distance.
From what I have already seen, I think that I can categorically confirm, "There is no direct replacement for the MP 100/2".
Along the way, I have tried and rejected the following lenses for my purpose: (this is a very personal thing, some of these are, I know, favourite lenses for many others.)
Tamron 90/2.8 72B ...lovely for close and medium distances, but at distance, the focus just became too difficult to nail, and resolution at distance not quite up with the best.
Tokina 90/2.5............I found rather flat for distance (Surprised at the results after all I've read. Copy?)
CV 90/3.5 SLI........... Much flatter results than even the Tokina, (maybe SLII better, but of course not the shallow dof I really want)
Pentax K 85/1.8....... Too soft and "glowy-dreamy" wide open (brilliantly sharp/contrasty closed down to F8)
Nikon E 100/2.8........ Up there with the best at F8-11, but poor corners before F/8, also a pronounced green/yellow signature)
Summarit M 90/2.5....The lens I received did have a fault,(soft top left corner), but I could tell that otherwise it was very similar to my excellent copy of the MD 100/2.5, so I didn't pursue another.
Apr 28, 2016 at 05:09 AM
p.8 #1990mm MF Alt for A7?
Tim,
Not sure if already mentioned, but the Nikkor 105/2.5 is really nice and compact also. It might have somewhat similar rendering qualities, but I suspect not as good as the ZE 100. There's always the CY 100/2 Planar which is probably much closer to what you are looking for.
JayT
Not sure if already mentioned, but the Nikkor 105/2.5 is really nice and compact also. It might have somewhat similar rendering qualities, but I suspect not as good as the ZE 100. There's always the CY 100/2 Planar which is probably much closer to what you are looking for.
JayT
Apr 28, 2016 at 08:54 AM
p.8 #2090mm MF Alt for A7?
Sirfishalot wrote:
Tim,
Not sure if already mentioned, but the Nikkor 105/2.5 is really nice and compact also. It might have somewhat similar rendering qualities, but I suspect not as good as the ZE 100. There's always the CY 100/2 Planar which is probably much closer to what you are looking for.
JayT
The Nikkor is on my shortlist above (NAiS 105/2.5), I have already got a good feel for it.
The C/Y 100/2 I haven't looked at, as near same weight as the Z* MP 100/2
Tim,
Not sure if already mentioned, but the Nikkor 105/2.5 is really nice and compact also. It might have somewhat similar rendering qualities, but I suspect not as good as the ZE 100. There's always the CY 100/2 Planar which is probably much closer to what you are looking for.
JayT
The Nikkor is on my shortlist above (NAiS 105/2.5), I have already got a good feel for it.
The C/Y 100/2 I haven't looked at, as near same weight as the Z* MP 100/2
Apr 28, 2016 at 08:58 AM