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p.6 #190mm MF Alt for A7?
Jannik Peters wrote:
Lol
That's artwork, Tim!
Maybe you should look for another copy of the 3.5/100. I wasn't able to examine any degradation of center sharpness.
My copy of the Zuiko 2.8/100 is definitely weaker when it comes to across-the-frame sharpness.
Did you ever test the original Planar 2/100?
No, I went straight to the MP, and as the weight and size are the same, it isn't under consideration.
Thanks for the confirmation on the Sonnar 100/3.5, I haven't removed it from my search list.
The AF Minolta 100/2, Tyler mentions, seems to be a very good lens by all accounts..just a pity it wasn't made available in an MF version. I know from experience that I would soon stop using an AF in MF mode, (and also using a "dumb"adapter to change aperture.) It would have to be something outstandingly "better" than the OM 100/2, or the FDn 100/2 (when I get it replaced or repaired), to really attract me.
The Summarit 90/2.5, is definitely the next lens on my radar. I've let a couple go, as priced too high for me. I need to find a nice one for £600 or under.
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That's artwork, Tim!Maybe you should look for another copy of the 3.5/100. I wasn't able to examine any degradation of center sharpness.
My copy of the Zuiko 2.8/100 is definitely weaker when it comes to across-the-frame sharpness.
Did you ever test the original Planar 2/100?
No, I went straight to the MP, and as the weight and size are the same, it isn't under consideration.
Thanks for the confirmation on the Sonnar 100/3.5, I haven't removed it from my search list.
The AF Minolta 100/2, Tyler mentions, seems to be a very good lens by all accounts..just a pity it wasn't made available in an MF version. I know from experience that I would soon stop using an AF in MF mode, (and also using a "dumb"adapter to change aperture.) It would have to be something outstandingly "better" than the OM 100/2, or the FDn 100/2 (when I get it replaced or repaired), to really attract me.
The Summarit 90/2.5, is definitely the next lens on my radar. I've let a couple go, as priced too high for me. I need to find a nice one for £600 or under.
Mar 07, 2016 at 02:42 AM
p.6 #290mm MF Alt for A7?
I haven't used my own Olympus 2/100 that much yet but I am a bit surprised that you are unhappy with it for this kind of application. Sure it isn't the smallest and stopped down the corners show quite a bit of astigmatism but apart from that it seems to have exactly that rapid falloff that you are looking for and it is quite sharp from f/2.
Mar 07, 2016 at 07:04 AM
p.6 #390mm MF Alt for A7?
Ha ha, yes, it's close, but I suppose that once you've tasted the MP 100/2 nothing else really "hits the mark". (As Gordon (Flash) impled on pg 1 of this thread...maybe not even the APO Summicron)
So far the OM is "next best" of those I've tried.
Also, I just like finding out about other lenses ;o)
So far the OM is "next best" of those I've tried.
Also, I just like finding out about other lenses ;o)
Mar 07, 2016 at 07:39 AM
p.6 #490mm MF Alt for A7?
Does the purple fringing not bother you at all? I agree, that the MP100 has got amazing pop and great color and contrast. It makes even dull weather images shine in it's own way. But the strong purple fringing at f/2 really holds me back from loving it so far. I'm curious how it will perform when I get it back from the service.
Mar 07, 2016 at 07:48 AM
p.6 #590mm MF Alt for A7?
Ah, yes, the colour fringing, that and the weight/size I don't miss...the OM 100/2 has it too, though not quite as badly. I certainly would have prefered it not to have any.
Mar 07, 2016 at 08:28 AM
p.6 #690mm MF Alt for A7?
Summarit 90:
Black Coat by unoh7, on Flickr
Resting by unoh7, on Flickr
900 USD is about as low as they go.
I'm very tempted myself by the 90 APO which is now around 2K, but I have even higher priorities. For bokeh, the Summarit and Elmarit-M are just not as nice as any of the crons, or the little Canon either.
Black Coat by unoh7, on Flickr
Resting by unoh7, on Flickr
900 USD is about as low as they go.
I'm very tempted myself by the 90 APO which is now around 2K, but I have even higher priorities. For bokeh, the Summarit and Elmarit-M are just not as nice as any of the crons, or the little Canon either.
Mar 07, 2016 at 08:36 AM
p.6 #790mm MF Alt for A7?
Unfortunately the Samyang 2/135 and the APO-Sonnar 2/135 are a far too large and a bit too long for your purposes. Both have close to perfect correction of chromatic aberrations, especially the Samyang surprised me extremely positive in that regard.
@uhoh7: The first portrait has killer rendering, gorgeous!
@uhoh7: The first portrait has killer rendering, gorgeous!
Mar 07, 2016 at 08:39 AM
p.6 #890mm MF Alt for A7?
Thanks uhoh. The small size and weight of the Summarit is added attraction.
So far the ones I've let go, have been 2x £650+ ($920), but research on eBay EU, shows that 3x mint- went for ~ £625 ($865) in the last two months, and Phillip has seen two on eBay.de for £550, ($780). I'll just have to be patient.
So far the ones I've let go, have been 2x £650+ ($920), but research on eBay EU, shows that 3x mint- went for ~ £625 ($865) in the last two months, and Phillip has seen two on eBay.de for £550, ($780). I'll just have to be patient.
Mar 07, 2016 at 08:45 AM
p.6 #990mm MF Alt for A7?
A lovely clear sunny day here for once, and a couple of free hours, to compare recent purchases at mid distance, on my local road test-location, I posted earlier. This is where I start to get a "feel" for the lens, and then across fields to distant aerial masts, for infinity testing (though not beyond ) and not bokeh or flare yet.
Out with the MD 100/2.5 (My present "Yardstick" it is so good for sharpness assessment), the NAiS 105/2.5 and the CV 90/3.5, (Sadly the FDn 100/2 has a broken aperture linkage, so needs repairing or returning. I'm waiting to hear from The LensDoctor, for an estimate)
The MD trounces everything so far, wide open. (I can't say how the MP 100/2 would have compared here, but I expect it would be really good at separating the muddled branches)
The NaiS started a little behind in the corners, and stayed that way until F11,(as both MD and Nikon improved equally, the MD just staying ahead). At F11 the NAiS equalled the MD in the corners, and I think in areas of "difficult" foliage, which can easily become a mush, actually bettered the MD in the central regions. Depth of field was similarly good.
The CV 90/3.5 was the disappointment. Everything looked so flat (rather like the Tokina), no separation in the foliage, and blow me, if it doesn't have the same poor depth of field behind the focus point, as the Sonnar 100/3.5 showed, maybe even poorer. Nothing further down the road beyond the near signs coming into sharp focus! I now think these two lenses may be a different design to all my others (?), with the better depth of field in front of the point of focus than behind, the opposite of the hyperfocal principle. That's what my initial tests have shown anyway.
Repeat of earlier download so you can relate to what I'm saying:
MD 100/2.5 @11 by Timothy Ball, on Flickr
These are just my initial look, to see which lenses I know I'll be happy to continue with. I will pursue further tests with the NAiS 105/2.5, as very promising, and real contender with my MD 100/2.5.
That rather lifeless "flatness" of the CV, I know I already really dislike! One point in its favour though, is that it's a joy to focus, with virtually no CA and sharp centrally from wide.
I will post links to the comparisons, as full size files on Flickr, if anyone's interested.
Edited on Mar 08, 2016 at 03:55 AM · View previous versions
) and not bokeh or flare yet.Out with the MD 100/2.5 (My present "Yardstick" it is so good for sharpness assessment), the NAiS 105/2.5 and the CV 90/3.5, (Sadly the FDn 100/2 has a broken aperture linkage, so needs repairing or returning. I'm waiting to hear from The LensDoctor, for an estimate)
The MD trounces everything so far, wide open. (I can't say how the MP 100/2 would have compared here, but I expect it would be really good at separating the muddled branches)
The NaiS started a little behind in the corners, and stayed that way until F11,(as both MD and Nikon improved equally, the MD just staying ahead). At F11 the NAiS equalled the MD in the corners, and I think in areas of "difficult" foliage, which can easily become a mush, actually bettered the MD in the central regions. Depth of field was similarly good.
The CV 90/3.5 was the disappointment. Everything looked so flat (rather like the Tokina), no separation in the foliage, and blow me, if it doesn't have the same poor depth of field behind the focus point, as the Sonnar 100/3.5 showed, maybe even poorer. Nothing further down the road beyond the near signs coming into sharp focus! I now think these two lenses may be a different design to all my others (?), with the better depth of field in front of the point of focus than behind, the opposite of the hyperfocal principle. That's what my initial tests have shown anyway.
Repeat of earlier download so you can relate to what I'm saying:
MD 100/2.5 @11 by Timothy Ball, on FlickrThese are just my initial look, to see which lenses I know I'll be happy to continue with. I will pursue further tests with the NAiS 105/2.5, as very promising, and real contender with my MD 100/2.5.
That rather lifeless "flatness" of the CV, I know I already really dislike! One point in its favour though, is that it's a joy to focus, with virtually no CA and sharp centrally from wide.
I will post links to the comparisons, as full size files on Flickr, if anyone's interested.
Edited on Mar 08, 2016 at 03:55 AM · View previous versions
Mar 07, 2016 at 01:58 PM
p.6 #1090mm MF Alt for A7?
A bid I made has just been accepted on a Summarit-M 90/2.5. (£560/€725/$800, at present Exch.)
Not the Mint- I had originally hoped to get, but a step down cosmetically, but I'm assured it's perfect in optics and mechanics. Well pleased.
Not the Mint- I had originally hoped to get, but a step down cosmetically, but I'm assured it's perfect in optics and mechanics. Well pleased.
Mar 07, 2016 at 02:24 PM
p.6 #1190mm MF Alt for A7?
timballic wrote:
A bid I made has just been accepted on a Summarit-M 90/2.5. (£560/€725/$800, at present Exch.)
Not the Mint- I had originally hoped to get, but a step down cosmetically, but I'm assured it's perfect in optics and mechanics. Well pleased.
Cool, I look forward to your results! I might buy Jannik's MP 2/100 when Zeiss manages to repair it but I wouldn't be surprised if it is too big for me.
A bid I made has just been accepted on a Summarit-M 90/2.5. (£560/€725/$800, at present Exch.)
Not the Mint- I had originally hoped to get, but a step down cosmetically, but I'm assured it's perfect in optics and mechanics. Well pleased.
Cool, I look forward to your results! I might buy Jannik's MP 2/100 when Zeiss manages to repair it but I wouldn't be surprised if it is too big for me.
Mar 07, 2016 at 03:08 PM
p.6 #1290mm MF Alt for A7?
Check out the jar of jam first...it certainly won't balance well on the A7.
Mar 07, 2016 at 03:11 PM
p.6 #1390mm MF Alt for A7?
timballic wrote:
Check out the jar of jam first...it certainly won't balance well on the A7.
I hope it is okay if I post your "simulation" I had a good laugh
4 by Timothy Ball, on Flickr
I have the FD 4/300 L which is bigger and heavier than the MP 2/100 but it is of course hard to say how often i would actually take it with me.
Check out the jar of jam first...it certainly won't balance well on the A7.
I hope it is okay if I post your "simulation" I had a good laugh
4 by Timothy Ball, on Flickr
I have the FD 4/300 L which is bigger and heavier than the MP 2/100 but it is of course hard to say how often i would actually take it with me.
Mar 07, 2016 at 03:16 PM
p.6 #1490mm MF Alt for A7?
I would be concerned for the A7's mount, carrying that weight...seriously. Even on the 5DII it felt BIG! However, as you're used to the 300mm, and it hasn't damaged it yet, it must be alright.
As Jannik pointed out earlier, the MP has very bad CA too, but everything else is sooo good.
(Please use my simulation in any way you choose, you can even borrow "My Preserve" for the MP designation ;o))
As Jannik pointed out earlier, the MP has very bad CA too, but everything else is sooo good.
(Please use my simulation in any way you choose, you can even borrow "My Preserve" for the MP designation ;o))
Mar 07, 2016 at 03:23 PM
p.6 #1590mm MF Alt for A7?
It is the lens which stands out most often in my eyes. To me the look is a secondary attribute of a lens, it is very hard to test and describe and other factors are much more important for a good picture if you ask me but in this case the price and effort might be worth it. We'll see
Mar 07, 2016 at 03:55 PM
p.6 #1690mm MF Alt for A7?
http://www.pictures-magazin.de/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Sony-A7R_Bild12_RS-590x353.png
The MP looks to make incredible images. 680 grams......not THAT outrageous. But you won't pack it lightly.
Here is my one 100/2:
DSC05960 by unoh7, Canon LTM 100/2
My Elk by unoh7, on Flickr
Wheelbarrow by unoh7, on Flickr
DSC02653 by unoh7, on Flickr
Under 2000 made, I think it was the last Canon RF lens design, introduced after 1960.
The MP looks to make incredible images. 680 grams......not THAT outrageous. But you won't pack it lightly.
Here is my one 100/2:
DSC05960 by unoh7, Canon LTM 100/2
My Elk by unoh7, on Flickr
Wheelbarrow by unoh7, on Flickr
DSC02653 by unoh7, on Flickr
Under 2000 made, I think it was the last Canon RF lens design, introduced after 1960.
Mar 09, 2016 at 12:16 AM
p.6 #1790mm MF Alt for A7?
I received the Summarit 90/2.5 nearly a week ago, but the adapter only arrived today, (both ordered same day!)
I went out to compare it with my MD 100/2.5, and immediately found the Summarit had a problem, the far left edge and top left corner were soft, and never fully sharpened! I'm negotiating return with the seller, though he assures me it never showed any problem on his Leica. [EDIT: He won't accept return, so I'll have to sell on. I never like doing that when I've found a "weakness" in a lens. ]
However, even with the fault, I managed to get a reasonable feel for how the lens handles and performs.
It handles beautifully, being very well balanced on the A7.
Overall, I'd say the MD 100/2.5 performs better until F/11, where the centre performance of the Summarit just overtakes the MD, however the MD maintains better corner performance throughout. The Summarit also showed strong purple fringing in high contrast areas, which remained through the series. (I'm not sure if that may be affected by whatever is causing the left edge/corner softness?)
I liked its clarity and ability to separate fine detail, it's the first to better the MD at that in the centre.
The question I am left with, is whether to pursue another copy of the Summarit, when it is obviously so close to my MD, and obviously not an MP 100/2 replacement? Only I can answer that!
(I shimmed the adapter to get the exact 9.95mm length, and it only has 0.001" variation around it, so I doubt the adapter to be the cause of the problem.)
I went out to compare it with my MD 100/2.5, and immediately found the Summarit had a problem, the far left edge and top left corner were soft, and never fully sharpened! I'm negotiating return with the seller, though he assures me it never showed any problem on his Leica. [EDIT: He won't accept return, so I'll have to sell on. I never like doing that when I've found a "weakness" in a lens. ]
However, even with the fault, I managed to get a reasonable feel for how the lens handles and performs.
It handles beautifully, being very well balanced on the A7.
Overall, I'd say the MD 100/2.5 performs better until F/11, where the centre performance of the Summarit just overtakes the MD, however the MD maintains better corner performance throughout. The Summarit also showed strong purple fringing in high contrast areas, which remained through the series. (I'm not sure if that may be affected by whatever is causing the left edge/corner softness?)
I liked its clarity and ability to separate fine detail, it's the first to better the MD at that in the centre.
The question I am left with, is whether to pursue another copy of the Summarit, when it is obviously so close to my MD, and obviously not an MP 100/2 replacement? Only I can answer that!
(I shimmed the adapter to get the exact 9.95mm length, and it only has 0.001" variation around it, so I doubt the adapter to be the cause of the problem.)
Mar 15, 2016 at 02:54 PM
p.6 #1890mm MF Alt for A7?
It sounds to me like a golden opportunity to get the final E55 version of the 90mm Summicron-R you should have acquired in the first place
It sits nicely on the a7x being a shorter squatter lens with special sauce in spades wide open, sharp stopped down, in that budget range.
I don't think anything could replace the 100MP directly but that lens is such a whopper! I'd get another one of those if that's really what you want.
Good luck! I can't say I use my lenses at or beyond f/11 too much, unless it's something very very specific like macro.
It sits nicely on the a7x being a shorter squatter lens with special sauce in spades wide open, sharp stopped down, in that budget range.
I don't think anything could replace the 100MP directly but that lens is such a whopper! I'd get another one of those if that's really what you want.
Good luck! I can't say I use my lenses at or beyond f/11 too much, unless it's something very very specific like macro.
Mar 15, 2016 at 04:44 PM
p.6 #1990mm MF Alt for A7?
timballic wrote:
I received the Summarit 90/2.5 nearly a week ago, but the adapter only arrived today, (both ordered same day!)
I went out to compare it with my MD 100/2.5, and immediately found the Summarit had a problem, the far left edge and top left corner were soft, and never fully sharpened! I'm negotiating return with the seller, though he assures me it never showed any problem on his Leica. [EDIT: He won't accept return, so I'll have to sell on. I never like doing that when I've found a "weakness" in a lens. ]
However, even with the fault, I managed to...Show more →
If you paid via PAYPAL he must accept return since the lens is not as described.
coogee wrote:
It sounds to me like a golden opportunity to get the final E55 version of the 90mm Summicron-R you should have acquired in the first place
Another Whopper, though sweet lens, no doubt. The point is, the Summarit is loved by many because it's great AND small. This was Puts' walk around 90 for years.
I received the Summarit 90/2.5 nearly a week ago, but the adapter only arrived today, (both ordered same day!)
I went out to compare it with my MD 100/2.5, and immediately found the Summarit had a problem, the far left edge and top left corner were soft, and never fully sharpened! I'm negotiating return with the seller, though he assures me it never showed any problem on his Leica. [EDIT: He won't accept return, so I'll have to sell on. I never like doing that when I've found a "weakness" in a lens. ]
However, even with the fault, I managed to...Show more →
If you paid via PAYPAL he must accept return since the lens is not as described.
coogee wrote:
It sounds to me like a golden opportunity to get the final E55 version of the 90mm Summicron-R you should have acquired in the first place
Another Whopper, though sweet lens, no doubt. The point is, the Summarit is loved by many because it's great AND small. This was Puts' walk around 90 for years.
Mar 15, 2016 at 09:11 PM
p.6 #2090mm MF Alt for A7?
uhoh7 wrote:
Another Whopper, though sweet lens, no doubt. The point is, the Summarit is loved by many because it's great AND small. This was Puts' walk around 90 for years.
I'd call the 90 Summicron-R v2 (E55) a 'fat toad' rather than a 'whopper'
500g in a squat barrel with a built-in hood as opposed to 350-something gram Summarit sans hood.
The R-adapter adds to the length considerably though, M is better I suppose, with those VM-E type adapter available too.
I've never used the Summarit but if you say it's a good'un, it's good enough for me (and the OP)
I just found the 90-R to be 99% of the 75 Summilux-M at a fraction of the cost and am bitter as I gave it up to use M bodies/lenses! The OP has a win/win dilemma in any case, so many nice 90mm lenses!
I hope you can return the defective lens without issue, selling it on sounds like trouble.
Another Whopper, though sweet lens, no doubt. The point is, the Summarit is loved by many because it's great AND small. This was Puts' walk around 90 for years.
I'd call the 90 Summicron-R v2 (E55) a 'fat toad' rather than a 'whopper'
500g in a squat barrel with a built-in hood as opposed to 350-something gram Summarit sans hood.
The R-adapter adds to the length considerably though, M is better I suppose, with those VM-E type adapter available too.
I've never used the Summarit but if you say it's a good'un, it's good enough for me (and the OP)
I just found the 90-R to be 99% of the 75 Summilux-M at a fraction of the cost and am bitter as I gave it up to use M bodies/lenses! The OP has a win/win dilemma in any case, so many nice 90mm lenses!
I hope you can return the defective lens without issue, selling it on sounds like trouble.
Mar 15, 2016 at 10:55 PM