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p.5 #190mm MF Alt for A7?
Pinholecam, you make it look fantastic 
I was shocked today, as I had it out on the M9. No hood I could not make it flare. Shot really gorgeous with excellent color.
Designed by (I include his other LTM designs)
Mr Hiroshi Itoh .............28mm f/3.5
Mr Hiroshi Itoh.............. 28mm f/2.8
Mr Hiroshi Itoh ..............35mm f/3.2
Mr Hiroshi Itoh ..............35mm f/2.8
Mr Hiroshi Itoh.............. 50mm f/1.2
Mr Hiroshi Itoh ..............50mm f/1.4
Mr Hiroshi Itoh ..............50mm f/1.8
Mr Hiroshi Itoh ..............85mm f/1.5
Mr Hiroshi Itoh ...............85mm f/1.9
Mr Hiroshi Itoh ...............100mm f/3.5
3 more shots, now on M9.
CF render on faces:
L1044903 by unoh7, on Flickr
bokeh (sry for fuzzy subject)
L1044909 by unoh7, I have not even looked but I'd have to bet it's a Sonnar
and here sun is just to upper left, barely out of the frame, no hood.
L1045016 by unoh7, on Flickr
Calibration on my M9 is perfect, to my astonishment. I really have only done a few shoots with this lens on the M9 and Sony, though I did use it more on the Nex-5. Thanks to this thread, I realize the thing is really something, again
Handling on the M9 is like a dream.
3 more shots with it here
The Canon LTM 135/3.5 is famous as a cheap very good RF 135, but that lens is 400 grams, with a number of much lighter SLR alternatives, and it is not this good. Is there a lighter 100?
I was shocked today, as I had it out on the M9. No hood I could not make it flare. Shot really gorgeous with excellent color.
Designed by (I include his other LTM designs)
Mr Hiroshi Itoh .............28mm f/3.5
Mr Hiroshi Itoh.............. 28mm f/2.8
Mr Hiroshi Itoh ..............35mm f/3.2
Mr Hiroshi Itoh ..............35mm f/2.8
Mr Hiroshi Itoh.............. 50mm f/1.2
Mr Hiroshi Itoh ..............50mm f/1.4
Mr Hiroshi Itoh ..............50mm f/1.8
Mr Hiroshi Itoh ..............85mm f/1.5
Mr Hiroshi Itoh ...............85mm f/1.9
Mr Hiroshi Itoh ...............100mm f/3.5
3 more shots, now on M9.
CF render on faces:
L1044903 by unoh7, on Flickr
bokeh (sry for fuzzy subject)
L1044909 by unoh7, I have not even looked but I'd have to bet it's a Sonnar
and here sun is just to upper left, barely out of the frame, no hood.
L1045016 by unoh7, on Flickr
Calibration on my M9 is perfect, to my astonishment. I really have only done a few shoots with this lens on the M9 and Sony, though I did use it more on the Nex-5. Thanks to this thread, I realize the thing is really something, again
Handling on the M9 is like a dream.
3 more shots with it here
The Canon LTM 135/3.5 is famous as a cheap very good RF 135, but that lens is 400 grams, with a number of much lighter SLR alternatives, and it is not this good. Is there a lighter 100?
Feb 28, 2016 at 11:56 PM
p.5 #290mm MF Alt for A7?
uhoh7 wrote:
Designed by (I include his other LTM designs)
Mr Hiroshi Itoh .............28mm f/3.5
Mr Hiroshi Itoh.............. 28mm f/2.8
Mr Hiroshi Itoh ..............35mm f/3.2
Mr Hiroshi Itoh ..............35mm f/2.8
Mr Hiroshi Itoh.............. 50mm f/1.2
Mr Hiroshi Itoh ..............50mm f/1.4
Mr Hiroshi Itoh ..............50mm f/1.8
Mr Hiroshi Itoh ..............85mm f/1.5
Mr Hiroshi Itoh ...............85mm f/1.9
Mr Hiroshi Itoh ...............100mm f/3.5
http://patents.justia.com/inventor/hiroshi-itoh
Random aside... Looks like a Hiroshi Itoh is still churning out patents for Canon more recently. No way this could be the same guy, right?
Designed by (I include his other LTM designs)
Mr Hiroshi Itoh .............28mm f/3.5
Mr Hiroshi Itoh.............. 28mm f/2.8
Mr Hiroshi Itoh ..............35mm f/3.2
Mr Hiroshi Itoh ..............35mm f/2.8
Mr Hiroshi Itoh.............. 50mm f/1.2
Mr Hiroshi Itoh ..............50mm f/1.4
Mr Hiroshi Itoh ..............50mm f/1.8
Mr Hiroshi Itoh ..............85mm f/1.5
Mr Hiroshi Itoh ...............85mm f/1.9
Mr Hiroshi Itoh ...............100mm f/3.5
http://patents.justia.com/inventor/hiroshi-itoh
Random aside... Looks like a Hiroshi Itoh is still churning out patents for Canon more recently. No way this could be the same guy, right?
Feb 29, 2016 at 12:10 PM
p.5 #390mm MF Alt for A7?
Nikon AiS 105/2.5 arrived today...if first quick test, to check centering is anything to go by, it's a better performing copy than the Ai version I discounted in 2012, on my 5DII
Canon FD 100/2 still en route from France
Just bought a Voigtlander APO Lanthar 90/3.5 SL (OM mount), after 2 year search (really for an SLII). SLI seem to be sliightly more available than SLII, perhaps there were more produced? I believe they are optically identical, but this first version is 70g heavier, but still under 400g. Also the extra, close focus lens (of the SLII), isn't part of it, but as it already focusses down to 50cm, I probably won't miss that.
I have now decided to search for a Leica M Summarit 90/2.5 too! (If I can find one at the "right" price in very good condition, preferably under £600).
I'm also wondering about getting a focussing helicoid adapter to use with it, for the 5-6mm extension, as pinholecam mentioned. There are several makes available now, but not sure how they all perform. I know the Voigtlander and Hawkes have most positive reviews, but are, very expensive, and expensive, then there are Kipon, Shoten/Yeenon, Tinray and others. Their ads all say good things about them
I already have 11 lenses waiting to be sold on, that for one reason or another didn't please me enough, (not all 90-100mms ;o)) I need to get them on eBay soon, to recoup some money!
I'm going to be busy, testing, assessing and selling! I have to keep reminding myself , "I'm doing this for fun" (though it is serious) and not get anxt about it! Then maybe I'll be set up for my next holiday, hopefully in June, to the Yorkshire Dales, again, with their wonderful wildflower meadows in full bloom.
Oh yes, and I didn't win the TS-E 90/2.8 I mentioned earlier, that I was bidding on. It's weight puts a big question mark in my mind about whether I would really find it that convenient...and they go for more than the Summarit!
(I'll keep trying for one though, just in case one time there aren't any high bidders ;o)
Canon FD 100/2 still en route from France
Just bought a Voigtlander APO Lanthar 90/3.5 SL (OM mount), after 2 year search (really for an SLII). SLI seem to be sliightly more available than SLII, perhaps there were more produced? I believe they are optically identical, but this first version is 70g heavier, but still under 400g. Also the extra, close focus lens (of the SLII), isn't part of it, but as it already focusses down to 50cm, I probably won't miss that.
I have now decided to search for a Leica M Summarit 90/2.5 too! (If I can find one at the "right" price in very good condition, preferably under £600).
I'm also wondering about getting a focussing helicoid adapter to use with it, for the 5-6mm extension, as pinholecam mentioned. There are several makes available now, but not sure how they all perform. I know the Voigtlander and Hawkes have most positive reviews, but are, very expensive, and expensive, then there are Kipon, Shoten/Yeenon, Tinray and others. Their ads all say good things about them
I already have 11 lenses waiting to be sold on, that for one reason or another didn't please me enough, (not all 90-100mms ;o)) I need to get them on eBay soon, to recoup some money!
I'm going to be busy, testing, assessing and selling! I have to keep reminding myself , "I'm doing this for fun" (though it is serious) and not get anxt about it! Then maybe I'll be set up for my next holiday, hopefully in June, to the Yorkshire Dales, again, with their wonderful wildflower meadows in full bloom.
Oh yes, and I didn't win the TS-E 90/2.8 I mentioned earlier, that I was bidding on. It's weight puts a big question mark in my mind about whether I would really find it that convenient...and they go for more than the Summarit!
(I'll keep trying for one though, just in case one time there aren't any high bidders ;o)
Mar 01, 2016 at 01:25 PM
p.5 #490mm MF Alt for A7?
Sadly, the FDn 100/2 I just bought, has the very first signs of fungal growth. I could live with that, killing it with UV. However, on the adapter, the aperture opens fully as it should, but won't close down again. Unless the adapter has a fault (mid-range, and worked perfectly with FDn 100/2.8 and 24/2.8).
So I can't even try out the lens, except wide open.
So I can't even try out the lens, except wide open.
Mar 04, 2016 at 06:17 AM
p.5 #590mm MF Alt for A7?
One lens to consider is either the Minolta MC/MD 100/2 or the AF Maxxum/Dynax 100/2. One of the sharpest lenses Minolta made with a lovely bokeh. Excellent color. I owned this lens, and sold it to get a Sony CZ135/1.8. Sold the 135 to get another 100/2. It is roughly the size of the 55/1.8. Sharp wide open, but f/2.2 might be its sweet spot.
Mar 05, 2016 at 10:16 AM
p.5 #690mm MF Alt for A7?
Ah, I had rather discounted the MC 100/2 (No MD version made) , having heard that it is both very rare, expensive and fragile and not many have survived in good condition. (Is the earlier PF version ( MINOLTA AUTO TELE ROKKOR-PF 100mm F2) the same?
I don't want to go AF Maxxum/Dynax 100/2 because of the ergonomics.
Can you post any examples?
I don't want to go AF Maxxum/Dynax 100/2 because of the ergonomics.
Can you post any examples?
Mar 05, 2016 at 10:52 AM
p.5 #790mm MF Alt for A7?
Of the Rokkor, no. I only have the AF, but it is supposedly nearly optically identical. Let me see what I can pull out of flikr for you. The MC coatings are a bit different than the MD, but not a huge signature change. Say what you will, but Minolta sure liked a consistent look.
Mar 05, 2016 at 10:58 AM
p.5 #890mm MF Alt for A7?
Here is one that I don't like compositionally, but does show how the lens draws and transitions. I love the 100/2. It has the same DOF characteristics as the 85/1.4. But because its a bit longer, it causes framing to be just a step or two further back. So for equivalent framing, the DOF can be a bit more shallow if you want it. Not like an 85/1.2, but but in a way that it is just a touch unique. Really hope Zeiss does a Loxia 100/2MP.
Lily-10 by the3mrys, on Flickr
Lily-8 by the3mrys, on Flickr
Lily-1 by the3mrys, on Flickr
And three totally SOOC snapshots of my son and dog. I just love the way this lens renders.
Orion (1 of 3) by the3mrys, on Flickr
Orion (2 of 3) by the3mrys, on Flickr
Orion (3 of 3) by the3mrys, on Flickr
Lily-10 by the3mrys, on FlickrLily-8 by the3mrys, on FlickrLily-1 by the3mrys, on FlickrAnd three totally SOOC snapshots of my son and dog. I just love the way this lens renders.
Orion (1 of 3) by the3mrys, on FlickrOrion (2 of 3) by the3mrys, on FlickrOrion (3 of 3) by the3mrys, on FlickrMar 05, 2016 at 11:14 AM
p.5 #990mm MF Alt for A7?
timballic wrote:
...and I've been looking for one for over a year, Pentax or Nikon, and not one has appeared on eBay UK or EU!
I'll keep waiting and hoping.
I bought the bullet and paid $800 for a new copy from JP. Nikon mount. Worth it.
uscmatt99 wrote
Love my CV 90/3.5 SL-II. Stopped down to f/8-11 I don't see an advantage of my ZF100/2 over the CV90 for compressed landscapes. Bokeh and transitions are nicer with the Zeiss for mid distance stuff. CV is awesome close-up, plus you get the diopter. CV has very well controlled CA from wide open, and is quite sharp across the frame. Stopping down gives a bit more contrast, otherwise I only stop down for DOF control or in brighter light so I don't overexpose.I'll keep waiting and hoping.
I bought the bullet and paid $800 for a new copy from JP. Nikon mount. Worth it.
Mar 05, 2016 at 02:15 PM
p.5 #1090mm MF Alt for A7?
TheEmrys wrote:
Really hope Zeiss does a Loxia 100/2MP.
Me too!
Thanks for those examples Tyler, I do like that rendering... lovely model too ;o)
Do you use the AF 100/2 in AF mode or with the little manual focus ring, and if the latter, how does it feel?
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Really hope Zeiss does a Loxia 100/2MP.
Me too!
Thanks for those examples Tyler, I do like that rendering... lovely model too ;o)
Do you use the AF 100/2 in AF mode or with the little manual focus ring, and if the latter, how does it feel?
Edited on Mar 06, 2016 at 08:43 AM · View previous versions
Mar 06, 2016 at 08:24 AM
p.5 #1190mm MF Alt for A7?
Geoff CB wrote:
(Re. CV 90/3.5)..and I've been looking for one for over a year, Pentax or Nikon, and not one has appeared on eBay UK or EU!
I'll keep waiting and hoping.
I bought the bullet and paid $800 for a new copy from JP. Nikon mount. Worth it.
Thanks Geoff, SL version arrived yesterday, I well chuffed with it (I may well keep searching for the SLII version for its lower weight and close-up capability, but the heat is off, as the SL is optically the same.)
First test, (which I do on a 5' wide test I've rigged up indoors, with accurate measurements, mainly to ensure everything I buy, is well centred), shows that the highest central sharpness is wide open, (F/3.5), every stop down loses sharpness slightly(centre), until diffraction at F11 (though it may all be diffraction), but the edges are also wonderfully sharp at F/3.5 and continue sharper to f/8, until diffraction kicks in at F/11. I haven't encountered that behaviour before.
(Re. CV 90/3.5)..and I've been looking for one for over a year, Pentax or Nikon, and not one has appeared on eBay UK or EU!
I'll keep waiting and hoping.
I bought the bullet and paid $800 for a new copy from JP. Nikon mount. Worth it.
Thanks Geoff, SL version arrived yesterday, I well chuffed with it
(I may well keep searching for the SLII version for its lower weight and close-up capability, but the heat is off, as the SL is optically the same.)First test, (which I do on a 5' wide test I've rigged up indoors, with accurate measurements, mainly to ensure everything I buy, is well centred), shows that the highest central sharpness is wide open, (F/3.5), every stop down loses sharpness slightly(centre), until diffraction at F11 (though it may all be diffraction), but the edges are also wonderfully sharp at F/3.5 and continue sharper to f/8, until diffraction kicks in at F/11. I haven't encountered that behaviour before.
Mar 06, 2016 at 08:34 AM
p.5 #1290mm MF Alt for A7?
I use af, but also DMF. Even with the tiny focus ring, it works well enough. That neing said, there have been some very inexpensive Rokkor 100/2's on ebay. Saw one last night go unsold for $250. Almost bought it.
timballic wrote:
Me too!
Thanks for those examples Tyler, I do like that rendering... lovely model too ;o)
Do you use the AF 100/2 in AF mode or with the little manual focus ring, and if the latter, how does it feel?
timballic wrote:
TheEmrys wrote
Really hope Zeiss does a Loxia 100/2MP.Thanks for those examples Tyler, I do like that rendering... lovely model too ;o)
Do you use the AF 100/2 in AF mode or with the little manual focus ring, and if the latter, how does it feel?
Mar 06, 2016 at 09:32 AM
p.5 #1390mm MF Alt for A7?
TheEmrys wrote:
... there have been some very inexpensive Rokkor 100/2's on ebay. Saw one last night go unsold for $250. Almost bought it.
Perhaps they're the old (1961) PF Tele 6:5 62ø version, which continued to early MC?
Not the AF version (1987) 7:6 55ø. Over here in Euro land they tend to start around £500/ $700 ..... not that there are any available. :o(
... there have been some very inexpensive Rokkor 100/2's on ebay. Saw one last night go unsold for $250. Almost bought it.
Perhaps they're the old (1961) PF Tele 6:5 62ø version, which continued to early MC?
Not the AF version (1987) 7:6 55ø. Over here in Euro land they tend to start around £500/ $700 ..... not that there are any available. :o(
Mar 06, 2016 at 09:37 AM
p.5 #1490mm MF Alt for A7?
Sorry, I thought you were looking for the MF one.
Mar 06, 2016 at 10:52 AM
p.5 #1590mm MF Alt for A7?
TheEmrys wrote:
Sorry, I thought you were looking for the MF one.
Thanks, but after a bit of research after you mentioned it, I think the old MF one is the one with the poor reputation for not having worn well. However, a few looks at results and reviews of the AF version, (which is a different design), show it is indeed a lovely lens, though fairly rare and expensive. I don't think I will pursue it, for the ergonomic reasons I mentioned earlier.
Sorry, I thought you were looking for the MF one.
Thanks, but after a bit of research after you mentioned it, I think the old MF one is the one with the poor reputation for not having worn well. However, a few looks at results and reviews of the AF version, (which is a different design), show it is indeed a lovely lens, though fairly rare and expensive. I don't think I will pursue it, for the ergonomic reasons I mentioned earlier.
Mar 06, 2016 at 10:58 AM
p.5 #1690mm MF Alt for A7?
Fair enough. I do love mine, but I am sorely tempted by the ease of Eye AF in a Batis.
Mar 06, 2016 at 11:02 AM
p.5 #1790mm MF Alt for A7?
Am I the only one.....? 
4 by Timothy Ball, on Flickr
Mock-ups of (l to r): ZF MP 100/2 (670g), Summicron 90/2 (or Minolta AF 100/2) 475g, Summarit 90/2.5,360g with OM Zuikos 100/2 (510g)and 100/2.8( 235g) providing scale
I've weighted them accurately too, so I can gauge the "feel".
(Absolutely "barking" I hear you say? ;o))
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4 by Timothy Ball, on FlickrMock-ups of (l to r): ZF MP 100/2 (670g), Summicron 90/2 (or Minolta AF 100/2) 475g, Summarit 90/2.5,360g with OM Zuikos 100/2 (510g)and 100/2.8( 235g) providing scale
I've weighted them accurately too, so I can gauge the "feel".
(Absolutely "barking" I hear you say? ;o))
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Mar 07, 2016 at 02:01 AM
p.5 #2090mm MF Alt for A7?
Lol That's artwork, Tim!
Maybe you should look for another copy of the 3.5/100. I wasn't able to examine any degradation of center sharpness.
My copy of the Zuiko 2.8/100 is definitely weaker when it comes to across-the-frame sharpness.
Did you ever test the original Planar 2/100?
That's artwork, Tim!Maybe you should look for another copy of the 3.5/100. I wasn't able to examine any degradation of center sharpness.
My copy of the Zuiko 2.8/100 is definitely weaker when it comes to across-the-frame sharpness.
Did you ever test the original Planar 2/100?
Mar 07, 2016 at 02:26 AM