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p.4 #190mm MF Alt for A7?
Thanks Steve. The older ones are also heavier, 560g as against 520g , but if there isn't any difference optically, except for coatings, I may very well seek one out. Of course what I'd really like is the APO version, haha.
Feb 27, 2016 at 03:44 PM
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p.4 #290mm MF Alt for A7?
Sry I only had that Hex a short time, as calibration was off.

Canon LTM 100/3.5:

100/3.5 by unoh7, on Flickr
It cost 115USD in 1953 or in today's money: $1018!


DSC09401 by unoh7, on Flickr

Next I slightly missed them, but if you look at the tails of the skis...:

DSC09323 by unoh7, Wide Open OOC

It will CF to 3.5 feet:

DSC09342 by unoh7, on Flickr

and one more just to see OOF:

DSC09353 by unoh7, on Flickr

It never flared on me, but I did not try to make it do so. Not bad for 1954ish, and today around 140USD for a really nice one. Very easy to clean. It just murdered the 90 Elmar of the day.

Oh, how is it at 5.6 in the shade?

DSC09351 by unoh7, her expression is pretty funny if you go to full

This was the first rangefinder lens I ever bought

The 90 Rokkor-M is also pretty good and small like this so you put it a pocket and don't even know it's there.
They run around 300 and have quite a following in the RF community.

The Bokina only runs about 250USD, very very good as both long lens and macro, but I would never ski with it (Heavy), and as I mentioned colors are a tad muted OOC. The stock sonys love that lens.

Ode to the Bokina
Feb 27, 2016 at 09:03 PM
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p.4 #390mm MF Alt for A7?
I found a few more pictures taken with the OM 90/2.0 Macro.It is generally sharper and contrastier,with more saturated colours than classic OM Zuikos,but not on par with the MP 100/2.0.

A7+ OM 90/2.0,wide open
http://www.zeissimages.com/gallery/951/U951I1422034027.SEQ.0.jpg
http://www.zeissimages.com/gallery/951/U951I1422123027.SEQ.0.jpg
http://www.zeissimages.com/gallery/951/U951I1422123034.SEQ.3.jpg
http://www.zeissimages.com/gallery/951/U951I1422123036.SEQ.4.jpg
and at f8
http://www.zeissimages.com/gallery/951/U951I1422123032.SEQ.2.jpg

BTW - yesterday I have tested my new acquisition,the Canon nFD 100/2.0 and it looks promising wide open.I will take more pictures if I find some time.


Feb 28, 2016 at 01:34 AM
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p.4 #490mm MF Alt for A7?
Peire wrote:
I found a few more pictures taken with the OM 90/2.0 Macro.It is generally sharper and contrastier,with more saturated colours than classic OM Zuikos,but not on par with the MP 100/2.0.

A7+ OM 90/2.0,wide open
http://www.zeissimages.com/gallery/951/U951I1422034027.SEQ.0.jpg

BTW - yesterday I have tested my new acquisition,the Canon nFD 100/2.0 and it looks promising wide open.I will take more pictures if I find some time.



Pierre, I love that close shot, I imagine this is where the OM 90/2 shines. I wonder how different it is to the OM 100/2 that I have?

I have an nFD 100/2 on the way to me, we can compare impressions;o) (Jannik says his "thrills" him!)

Wondering what the hinted at short-tele Loxia will turn out to be,(85/2?) and how it will perform? (We won't know before end 2016 apparently.)
Feb 28, 2016 at 01:46 AM
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p.4 #590mm MF Alt for A7?
If you have the OM 100/2.0 already,90/2.0 Macro doesn't make much sens.

I'll post a few wide open shots from Canon nFD 100/2.0,taken on a hazy,gloomy day of yesterday in a few minutes - those on theSony FE thread.
Feb 28, 2016 at 01:55 AM
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p.4 #690mm MF Alt for A7?
Thanks again Peire, I think I'll drop the OM 90/2 from my search. ;o)

Thanks uhoh, Nice, but I don't think the LTM's what I'm looking for.
I'm finding that focussing the Bokina at distance is tricky, as the tiniest touch changes it massively. Most 90-ish macros that I've tried seem to be like this. Also, in my comparisons, the Bokina looks the "flattest", I suppose that's low contrast? I'll try and find a comparison example to post.
Feb 28, 2016 at 02:03 AM
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p.4 #790mm MF Alt for A7?
Here are the comparisons I promised. (Full size images on Flickr)

This is my standard comparison scene, (just a mile down the road) Focus on the white stone in road between white lines and the two signs . It serves as a depth of field test too.

Here with my best performing 100mm lens the MD 100/2.5 @F/11 (Of my many 100mm-ish lenses, only the PKK 85/1.8 comes close to this performance @F/11, but it is really woeful until about 56.6-8, almost from worst to equal best!)
MD 100/2.5 @11 by Timothy Ball, on Flickr

Now the comparisons, as screenshots in Lr5.7.1
Not as obvious here as on my screen, after going through Flickr, but I hope you can still see see the lack of contrast in the Tokina (right) It's sharp, but "flat"
MD 100/2.5 cf. Tokina 90/2.5 @ F/11 by Timothy Ball, on Flickr

This was my greatest surprise, the Sonnar 100/3.5 @F/11 (right). A very poor centre performance. (The edges and corners are fine.) As I never noticed this with the first copy, that I (should never have sold!) in 2012, I can only conclude it's just a problem with this copy. (Again, the difference is much more pronounced before going through Flickr.)
MD 100/2.5 cf. C/Y Sonnar 100/3.5 @F/11 by Timothy Ball, on Flickr
Feb 28, 2016 at 03:41 AM
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p.4 #890mm MF Alt for A7?
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i have both the Leica M 90mm f2.5 Summarit and the Leica R 100mm f2.8 Apo-Macro-Elmarit lenses.
When I want to carry as smaller, lighter, more compact lens I opt for and more often carry my M 90mm Summarit lens. It is quite sharp, light, small, and performs exceedingly well on my A7r. It may not be quite as good as the M 90mm f2 Apo Summicron but it is much smaller, lighter, and much less costly. The lens does need a lens hood, which is optional from Leica and it balances well on the A7r and A7 series cameras.
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Rich, sorry about not getting back to you on the above from pg 1, (also uhoh on the Summarit), I've only just started to get my head round Leica nomenclature and versions, and what the Summarit 90/2.5 "fits"
Erwin Puts was very helpful, here: http://www.imx.nl/photo/leica/lenses/lenses/page83.html
and here: http://www.overgaard.dk/leica-90mm-Summarit-M-f-25.html
(My first foray took me to Rocky Ken's site, where I got completely put off it!)

Erwin Puts "places" it somewhere between the Cron APO and the last Elmarit, i.e., very, very good. Sadly I can't find the fourth part of his report , where he says he will do bokeh comparison, maybe he never got round to doing it?

Anyway, the Summarit is obviously worth serious consideration, though at £700, lowest used prices seem rather high, when I've seen new ones selling for £1,050. I suppose they haven't been out long enough to go lower yet

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Feb 28, 2016 at 07:34 AM
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p.4 #990mm MF Alt for A7?
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naturephoto1 wrotei have both the Leica M 90mm f2.5 Summarit and the Leica R 100mm f2.8 Apo-Macro-Elmarit lenses.
When I want to carry as smaller, lighter, more compact lens I opt for and more often carry my M 90mm Summarit lens. It is quite sharp, light, small, and performs exceedingly well on my A7r. It may not be quite as good as the M 90mm f2 Apo Summicron but it is much smaller, lighter, and much less costly. The lens does need a lens hood, which is optional from Leica and it balances well on the A7r and A7 series cameras. When teamed up with something like the Hawk's Factory V Helicoid the lens will focus fairly close.

Rich
Rich, sorry about not getting back to you on the above from pg 1, (also uhoh on the Summarit), I've only just started to get my head round what the Summarit 90/2.5 is, after reading Erwin Puts here: http://www.imx.nl/photo/leica/lenses/lenses/page83.html (My first foray took me to Rocky Ken's site, where I got completely put off it!)

Erwin Puts "places" it somewhere between the Cron APO and the last Elmarit, i.e., very, very good. Sadly I can't find the fourth part of his report , where he says he will do bokeh comparison, maybe he never got round to doing it?

Anyway, the Summarit
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Hi Tim,

I have seen them listed on FM for somewhere around $1000 or $900 US. I paid around $1100 US for mine on Ebay and it was in M- condition and included the optional hood. I am not sure how that translates to Pounds Sterling with the VAT without looking it up. But the lens is smaller and lighter than the Elmarit, balances better on the A7 series cameras but will need a lens hood while it is a telescoping hood for the Elmarit.

Rich
Feb 28, 2016 at 07:46 AM
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p.4 #1090mm MF Alt for A7?
Thanks Rich. At today's poor state of the pound to the dollar, that equates to roughly £700+

I've added it to my shortlist though ;o) If I sold a load of gear I could even manage an APO Cron, but I'd be frightened to take it out of the house at that price That's how I managed to afford a new MP 100/2, at a special offer price that used ones were then selling for. Then, soon after I got it, the Z* APO Sonnar 135/2 came out and the used MP 100/2 prices fell £200-250 overnight, so I lost heavily when I sold it less than 2 years later.
Feb 28, 2016 at 07:57 AM
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p.4 #1190mm MF Alt for A7?
I'd also be curious about the FDn 100mm f/2. I have the f/2.8 and it's not bad, though my Contax G 90mm has a lot more detail at f/2.8 and f/4 at the very least. Always something I liked about it, and had been planning to get the 100mm f/2, but never did. It's not well represented compared to a lot of other 75-105mm lenses you see brought up when someone is looking for a short tele.
Feb 28, 2016 at 12:34 PM
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p.4 #1290mm MF Alt for A7?
I think the nFD 2/100 is slightly inferior to the Zuiko 2/100 http://www.digicamclub.de/showthread.php?t=17986
Feb 28, 2016 at 03:18 PM
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p.4 #1390mm MF Alt for A7?
Thanks for the link Phillip, It looks very interesting, I'll look further tomorrow with google translate.

I've been looking up some Leica "used" (sold) prices

Summarit M 90/2.5 £700+
APO Cron-M 90/2 £ 1,250+
APO Cron-R 90/2 £2,500+++ if you're lucky. It seems the skies the limit they're so rare! So if I EVER managed to get myself an APO Cron, it would definitely have to be the "M" (though I haven't looked on the sales forum here, as few are in Europe)
The earlier Crons (M and R), are a lot more reasonable, though I haven't yet worked out Serial numbers to versions (a lot of contradictory info on different sites)

The pre AA, R Crons I've seen (sold), are Leica Canada, and Ser Nos ~30xxxxx - 31xxxxxx and start ~£500
The pre AA M Crons that I've seen (sold), are Ser nos.~32xxxxx - 35xxxxx and start around £700, so here the M versions are more expensive than the R, IF I really am comparing like for like versions.

Feb 28, 2016 at 03:58 PM
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p.4 #1490mm MF Alt for A7?
timballic wrote:
Thanks for the link Phillip, It looks very interesting, I'll look further tomorrow.

I've been looking up some Leica "used" prices

Summarit M 90/2.5 £700+
APO Cron-M 90/2 £ 1,250+
APO Cron-R 90/2 £2,500+++ if you're lucky. It seems the skies the limit they're so rare! So if I EVER managed to get myself an APO Cron, it would definitely have to be the "M" (though I haven't looked on the sales forum here, as few are in Europe)

The Summarit regularly sells for 700€ which is about 550 GBP here in Germany. To me it seems to be the most attractive option apart from rebuying the MP 100 which will still be a bit better but also twice as heavy. The Zeiss has become relatively affordable lately.
Feb 28, 2016 at 04:16 PM
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p.4 #1590mm MF Alt for A7?
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timballic wroteThanks for the link Phillip, It looks very interesting, I'll look further tomorrow.

I've been looking up some Leica "used" prices

Summarit M 90/2.5 £700+
APO Cron-M 90/2 £ 1,250+
APO Cron-R 90/2 £2,500+++ if you're lucky. It seems the skies the limit they're so rare! So if I EVER managed to get myself an APO Cron, it would definitely have to be the "M" (though I haven't looked on the sales forum here, as few are in Europe)
The Summarit regularly sells for 700€ which is about 550 GBP here in Germany. To me it seems to be the most attractive option apart from rebuying the MP 100 which will still be a bit better but also twice as heavy. The Zeiss has become relatively affordable lately.


If you could let me have any links Phillip, the UK ones I've found all start at £700. £550 is getting more "reasonable"!

I seriously considered getting another MP 100/2 ZF.1 ver., before starting this thread, (as there was one going for £750 mint), but as it felt heavy, even on the 5DII, I wouldn't like to walk around with that sort of weight hanging off the front of my A7 ( ~800g incl adapter)

(You may laugh, but I searched for something the exact same dimensions and weight to try it on the camera as a mock up to see what it felt like. I eventually found a jar of my home made marmalade that matched it perfectly.
It lent a whole new meaning to "MP"... "My Preserve" . It also felt awful with the A7, and put me right off pursuing it any further.

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Feb 28, 2016 at 04:19 PM
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p.4 #1690mm MF Alt for A7?
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Leica-Summarit-M-90mm-F-2-5-6-Bit-11646-/151945444619?hash=item2360a77d0b:g:LmoAAOSwT~9Wklhf <- good condition hood included for 656€

http://www.ebay.de/itm/LEICA-Summarit-M-1-2-5-90-mm-/221952911267?hash=item33ad6ca7a3:g:YIoAAOSwbdpWWN2l <- good condition hood included for 710€
Feb 28, 2016 at 04:34 PM
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p.4 #1790mm MF Alt for A7?
Thanks Phillip. I do have Ebay Europe linked to all my searches, but obviously those that don't declare they will send to other EU countries, like those, I don't get to see. I'll keep looking and waiting, knowing now that £550 is a real possibility.
Feb 28, 2016 at 04:38 PM
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p.4 #1890mm MF Alt for A7?
+1 to the Canon ltm 100/3.5
Very small and handy.


20160227-DSC00465-1-BW by jenkwang, on Flickr



20160227-DSC00467-BW by jenkwang, on Flickr



20160228-DSC00492 by jenkwang, on Flickr



20160228-DSC00478 by jenkwang, on Flickr
Feb 28, 2016 at 05:03 PM
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p.4 #1990mm MF Alt for A7?
Those look very good . I recently had one of those in my watch list on eBay, but didn't pursue it, perhaps I should have. (Needed aperture de-oiling, put me off.)
Feb 28, 2016 at 06:04 PM
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p.4 #2090mm MF Alt for A7?
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Those look very good . I recently had one of those in my watch list on eBay, but didn't pursue it, perhaps I should have. (Needed aperture de-oiling, put me off.)


This lens is new to me too.
But so far, I've been impressed by it.

The size is the main reason I got one to try as I want a small RF setup for my A7K for lighter day out with the family.
(eg. CV12; Canon ltm 35/1.8; Canon 100/3.5 or CV21/1.8; Canon ltm 50/1.4; Canon ltm 100/3.5 )
Feb 28, 2016 at 08:04 PM
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