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p.2 #1 · Looking for some opinions


Thanks for all the welcomes and the advise guys, much appreciated. And I do love the black and white look that he did, it looks awesome. As far as photoshopping photos goes, I'm definitely one who would prefer to get it right the first time and not have to do any post processing. The advise of finding a time of day that brightens up the falls will be taken. The main thing I was trying to get out of this little learning experiment was composure and shutter speed to give the image the sense of moving water. And for those of you who would like to know, it was taken with these settings: 18-55@18mm, f/3.5, 1.00 s shutter, ISO 100. I'll use this photo to try to practice learning what photoshop can do, but like I said, I'd rather get the shot right with the camera than post processing it. Again, thanks a lot guys!


Dec 03, 2015 at 12:44 AM
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First of all welcome to the world of Photo Critique! You'll find a fairly small but dedicated cadre here of folks here that will help you with lots of post-processing tips and suggestions.

I have a compositional comment, and that is the overlap of the tree branches with the top of the falls. It looks like you might have been able to perhaps kneel down and put some space there? To my eye, the overlap there detracts a bit from the image -- it's the first thing I notice.

Thanks for posting...it's a great falls. Where is it?

keith



Dec 03, 2015 at 07:38 AM
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+1 @ Keith comp with tree branch breaking the falls line.
It's just a small nit, so if it alters the comp too much elsewhere, it can be a necessary nit @ choose your poison(s). It doesn't detract too much from the overall vibe, just something that might give it an even stronger spatial relationship, imo.

As a former slide shooter ... it was all "in camera" ... all the time. There was no "photo finishing", nor post (capture) production photoshop. That's not to suggest that our images should always be void of any post capture work, but as mentioned the better we get it in camera, the better we can finish it. There's a bit of a Yin-Yang relationship (i.e. more camera = less pp vs. less camera = more pp) involved on one hand, and a cause-effect relationship on the other hand (i.e. better camera = better finishing / more creativity options). So to that end, it is good (and pertinent) to learn PP skills, but not to lean on them too strongly such that they supplant good camera / lighting efforts.

They are parallel things to learn, so some days you'll grow more on the camera / lighting side, other days, you'll grow more on the PP side. But, as Greg mentioned, you can simply go with jpg (kinda like shooting chromes @ standard development only) to allow your emphasis to be on the camera / light (for now). I remember shooting chromes and the darkroom guys saying how great it was to have creative liberty in the darkroom. At the time, all I could think of was "Yuck, what a pain in the butt. If those guys got it right in camera, they wouldn't have to do all that." Okay, a bit naive in my youth ... but, we all start somewhere.

Actually, I switched to shooting chromes because my creativity in camera kept getting messed up by the darkroom guys always trying to "normalize" it when I was shooting negatives.

Capture, Correction and Creativity.

Capture is all about in camera and can contain Correction (prevention) and/or Creativity
Post-Capture affords additional opportunity for Correction and Creativity. Sometimes we have an opportunity for another Capture (i.e. re-shoot), but that isn't always the case as some moments are never repeated, while others are simply not pragmatic to return to.

How much of the post-capture effort (correction / creative) you want to do, will dictate how much consideration you put into your capture efforts. Some folks find it preferable to correct or create in post, than to correct or create in capture. Others find it preferable to do so in camera first. Imo, the reality is that we learn to be skilled in each approach, as we don't always have the opportunity to control things as much as we would like. But, if you're Deming oriented, best you can in camera comes first, then you move on down the line to finish the best you can from there.

Kinda like the relationship between a good automotive body man and a good paint guy. Sometimes they are one in the same, sometimes they are not. Of course, we now get to be both photographer and lab tech for the capture and the finishing. But, there remains a process of one precedes the other and depending on how well things are done on the front end, will dictate on how much / little is necessary on the back end ... or how much liberty there is for expression to yield the finished product.

Either way, most paint folks don't care to paint over rust (i.e. the better we get it on the front end, the better it gets on the back end) ... although some of us do like to capture a little bit of it.

BTW, thanks. Glad you like the rework. Your capture was what made it possible, as it started in YOUR mind.



Dec 03, 2015 at 08:32 AM
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Yeah, that was something that didn't entirely show up on the screen on the camera after I took the picture. I had the camera obviously on a tripod but it was set up to about my eye level height. I didn't notice that it was a branch in the foreground until after I got home and had it up on the computer screen.

I mainly want to learn to get as much as possible right in capture because I also like to shoot film too. I have my dad's 1971 Petri FT ii that he gave me. He bought it new when he was in the Marines stationed in the Philippines. It takes pictures that are really good by today's standards. I also have a Yashica Pentamatic from 1958 I found at a thrift store for like $30 and a Kodak bellows camera from 1934. I love my digital camera but I'm a big history buff and love my old stuff too



Dec 03, 2015 at 09:55 AM
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Well, if you like the old stuff ... ummm, light hasn't changed much in the last Bazillion years.


Dec 03, 2015 at 10:24 AM
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I love old pictures. There's just something really neat about a picture that was taken on an old camera. With the advent of the digital camera, everyone has become a photographer. But when you look at a picture that was taken at the turn of the century or older, you know that that picture was taken buy one of a small ground of people who actually knew how to take a picture and get it right the first time. I haven't tried the bellows camera yet, but I had it looked at and everything on it works. It takes 120 film, so I had to buy a roll of 620 and then I gotta cut the spool down a bit to get it to fit. I don't have the patience or experience to be able to respool the film.


Dec 03, 2015 at 10:46 AM
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Alright guys, same falls, different time of day and different position relative to the ground along with a different shutter speed and apeture. I think it looks a bit better, what do you think?




Dec 13, 2015 at 02:57 AM
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Much better, I like the comp the shutter speed and the exposure here. I wish that foam was not there. I have been known to get an old branch and push it off. Nothing you can do about a bald sky. But this is a big improvement.


Dec 13, 2015 at 12:11 PM
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ben egbert wrote:
.. Nothing you can do about a bald sky. ....


Sorry Ben but this is one of my pet peeves. Once I start to make excuses it is endless and my results do not improve. I believe the photographer should get the credit for successful photos and gets the blame for photos that do not work well. The world is full of endless subjects for photography and endless ways a subject can be shot. Picking a composition with a bright, bare background sky is at best a learning experience. Trying to fix that in post may not work as well as the countless options around us.



Dec 13, 2015 at 12:27 PM
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Camperjim wrote:
Sorry Ben but this is one of my pet peeves. Once I start to make excuses it is endless and my results do not improve. I believe the photographer should get the credit for successful photos and gets the blame for photos that do not work well. The world is full of endless subjects for photography and endless ways a subject can be shot. Picking a composition with a bright, bare background sky is at best a learning experience. Trying to fix that in post may not work as well as the countless options around us.


I agree if an image is posted as art, how many of those do you get? And if you want to post on a place like the FM landscape forum it may be never. In the meantime we take pictures and need some feedback to grow and learn what to do next time.

I get 1-2 images a year that might be second or third tier artistically. Not nearly enough to sustain the hobby. To my thinking, this is a learning forum.




Dec 13, 2015 at 12:37 PM
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It seems that I did a poor job of trying to make my point. I certainly did not intend to be insulting or to imply that this image should not have been posted. My apologies. Rather than try to restate, I will just let this go.


Dec 13, 2015 at 03:38 PM
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