the camera is better - but a classic? It depends upon the use...not a "classic" for field use but better than the 5D3 in some ways.
These days many people do not print images but view them on-screen...or Editors of articles and books view images on screen...so looking good in underexposed areas is important.
I am really pleased that I made the switch from the 5D3 to the 5Ds - I see improvements...but the Canon sensor is still not on par with the Sony sensor or what Nikon can do with the Sony sensor.
Monito: 300 dpi print test? You just pulled that out of a nether region of your anatomy?
Monito, my plan was to take the 5760x3840 pixel 5DIII image and produce a 8"x12" photographic print. Isn't that an astounding concept for a photographer? My on-line printer requires a 2400 x3600 pixel source, since they print at 300 dpi. I used a program called Photoshop to produce that 2400 x3600 pixel file. You ought to look into printing and Photoshop. You might find it enlightening and educational.
I am quite familiar with Photoshop and printing at 300 dpi, including even 8 x 12 inch prints and other sizes.
"300 dpi test"? It doesn't test what you think it tests for the reasons I explained. That's why you don't see "300 dpi test" much on the internet or elsewhere, if at all.
chez wrote:
Based on the people from The Camera Store...it is NOT a strong seller. Do you have details which show it's sales numbers?
Here is the link which says the 5dsr sales are dismal.
! Those guys are not photographers they are techies!
Not too surprising that 5Ds sales are low. It is an expensive niche camera that demands additional expensive lenses and computers to support it. It just happens to be a niche that I want to be in...
I'm not going to argue one store's data point versus others in terms of sales strength, especially video stores. Sales figures do not address the original poster's question and it was not my main point. Likewise, the OP did not ask for comparisons with other cameras or for 18 minutes of wasted time in a video that spends a few seconds about the 5DS/R sales at their store and no discussion of features. Nor am I going to discuss Bob & Doug McKenzie imitations.
My main point is that the 5DS/R is a classic, a winner, with few downsides.
It's a wonderful camera.
There will be even better cameras in the future just like there are better cameras than the original 5D. But mark my words, the 5DS inspires respect and affection in its owners the way the 5D classic does.
It is a fine camera that does precisely what is designed to do and does it very well. The "misses" are few and not major. It isn't the ideal camera for everyone, but those who want/need a camera that does what it does are likely to be quite happy with it.
Techs (especially the ones that runs/own stores) need exciting new features to make sales. Most people already have a digital camera of some sort at home and are perfectly happy with these. The revolution took place when the digital sensor was introduced. Those early camera's needed refinement on many points. But looking at the bigger picture.. since a few years every camera is capable of taking photos and doesn't get too in the way of doing so. Wether that be P&S, mirrorless or DLSR. The market is largely satisfied.
From my POV, I don't care for new features. I just want a rock solid performance and not a difficult adaption to new tech (I simply don't have the time for it). Canon cameras give me a just that. Plus a great support in case I need it.
IMO the 5Ds/r are targeted to a specific group. Not everybody is willing that spent so much money on a new camera. You really would have a need for it. But I still think that Canon will make a profit on it, since it is largely a 5D3 with a new sensor
The purpose of the thread is to discuss what owners/users of this camera like or dislike. This is, hopefully, not another opporunity for people who will never buy and use this camera or who have a definite preference for other brands to jump in, yet again, and demonstrate their brand bias.
The last time I looked at the feature list of the 5DsR, sales to date was not on the list.
Monito wrote:
I'm not going to argue one store's data point versus others in terms of sales strength, especially video stores. Sales figures do not address the original poster's question and it was not my main point. Likewise, the OP did not ask for comparisons with other cameras or for 18 minutes of wasted time in a video that spends a few seconds about the 5DS/R sales at their store and no discussion of features. Nor am I going to discuss Bob & Doug McKenzie imitations.
My main point is that the 5DS/R is a classic, a winner, with few downsides.
It's a wonderful camera.
There will be even better cameras in the future just like there are better cameras than the original 5D. But mark my words, the 5DS inspires respect and affection in its owners the way the 5D classic does. ...Show more →
Yeah Monito, and the some of the same people above told me this was "not the camera for me" for the same reasons they say THEY are doing as they post here!!!! Ah's all.
I have seen interesting comments from other quarters. Those who moved to Sony but stayed with Canon lenses are now saying some of our best lenses are not sharp enough on hi res cameras. They use focus stacking instead of tilt and over size the image to crop for the shift effect.
Some here say you can't stop down too much or you get diffraction. It seems to me that this all indicates that the newer cameras are out resolving the lenses.
But what I have seen is that they are out resolving our monitors. The monitor is the weakest link in the chain. I suspect many comments I see are based on monitor views not print views.
A print at 24x36 will probably show soft edges and corners (relative to the center) even with the best glass, but that is not the camera's fault.
And so far as DR is concerned, I can push a 5DS R single image to the point that it starts to look like an HDR. And so far as noise, I have shot ISO3200 in dark school auditoriums with the best results to date.
The overall system is as good as any out there for overall balance and for what I do.
mogud wrote:
The purpose of the thread is to discuss what owners/users of this camera like or dislike. This is, hopefully, not another opporunity for people who will never buy and use this camera or who have a definite preference for other brands to jump in, yet again, and demonstrate their brand bias.
The last time I looked at the feature list of the 5DsR, sales to date was not on the list.
The sales data was brought up to counter Monito's prediction of "I think this might be a strong seller for Canon". Obviously the camera is a niche product not required by the vast users and will not be a strong seller. This does in no way diminish it's features...just wanted to correct the prediction.
Someone estimated recently that the entire sales of medium format digital cameras/backs might amount to only about 5000 units per year. Kind of suggests that singe "data" point guesstimates about number of units sold might have, oh, next to nothing to do with the quality of the gear...
... which is the actual subject of the thread. ;-)
Sales don't mean a thing to me as long as the camera system does what I need it to do. I'm not looking for a jack of all trades nor do I want one. Probably why I have four camera platforms and an empty wallet. But I am enjoying myself. : )
Canon 5Ds is at the top of the list for me, should I falter this holiday season.
! Those guys are not photographers they are techies!
