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p.4 #1Pre-order the new Sony RX1R II today!
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dgdg wroteSound like a great camera but with an a7r2 or A7R I can change my lenses. I don't understand the draw. What are the killer features that pull one to a fixed 35mm camera? Especially at this price.
There is no native (FE or Zeiss) 35mm lens that can match the overall IQ of the 35mm Sonnar on the RX1. The camera is also smaller and lighter than a FE 35/1.4. So it makes sense to designate this camera as your 35mm lens because it also doubles as a backup camera to your A7 system. It's always easier to switch cameras than it is to switch lenses.

And some people prefer shooting with one lens. If you prefer the 35mm FOV and shoot 80% of your shots with a 35mm (like I do) you just can't beat the RX1
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dgdg wroteSound like a great camera but with an a7r2 or A7R I can change my lenses. I don't understand the draw. What are the killer features that pull one to a fixed 35mm camera? Especially at this price.
The main "feature" is the size of the package that is possible with a fixed lens approach. Simply put you cannot get higher IQ in any camera ever made that is the same size or smaller.

The lens is actually much larger than it looks and protrudes deep into the camera body with the rear element on a few millimeters above the sensor (which is itself much further back than on something like an A7, look where the sensor position mark is on the RX1). This allows for a high quality optical design in a small overall package.

Having a fixed
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Nuts. Looks like it is on my radar now....

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Nov 06, 2015 at 10:12 AM
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p.4 #2Pre-order the new Sony RX1R II today!
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I would be more tempted if it had image stabilization.


Don't take this the wrong way, but this sounds like an excuse you're telling yourself not to get the camera. With a 32 mm focal length, the speed of the lens and the performance of this sensor at high ISOs, there is absolutely no need for IBIS on this camera and the addition of IBIS is certainly not worth the size and weight increase which would ruin the whole gestalt of the camera, not to mention the possible degradation of IQ as others have mentioned. If you want IBIS, stick with one of the A7s.
Nov 06, 2015 at 10:36 AM
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p.4 #3Pre-order the new Sony RX1R II today!
As far as the discussion regarding dumping the A7 series camera and lenses for an RX1Rii, I'm thinking that the RX1Rii and the A6000 follow up will be my two cameras.

I really value having a compact, unobtrusive, high image quality kit. My A7R doesn't get much use - I'm pretty much only using it with manual focus lenses when I'm doing landscape or architecture photos. OTOH, I'm using my A6000 much more than I ever anticipated when I got it. The A6000 with the FE 55 is a great portrait combo and Eye AF has totally changed my portrait focusing technique.

If the A6000 follow up sensor is BSI (which is to be expected), it will pick up at least another stop of DR and ISO performance over the A6000. I also expect 4K video (not necessary, but nice) and most importantly Eye Detect AF should work in continuous AF mode, not just single shot like on the A6000.

So, I expect the RX1Rii will be the camera that I have on me all the time and when I want a longer lens I will take the A6000 successor plus the FE 55. For trips where I don't mind a little extra weight and size, I may take the 70-200/4 to use with the A6000 follow up.

Anyway, those are just my thoughts on how the RX1Rii fits into a total kit.
Nov 06, 2015 at 10:48 AM
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p.4 #4Pre-order the new Sony RX1R II today!
I consider the RX1RII a complement to my A7RII. It's so small, I can always carry it with me but it will also be used as a 35/2 lens for serious shooting.

I always disregarded the fixed lens RX1 but after renting one and viewing the images it produces, I had a change of heart and can't wait to get my hands on the Mark II.

I will be in Yosemite at the end of the year and hopefully will have my new Kit together:
FE 16-35/4, Loxia 21/2.8, RX1RII 35/2 and FE 55/1.8.

Have anyone seeing RX1/R tests for coma performance?
Nov 06, 2015 at 10:57 AM
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p.4 #5Pre-order the new Sony RX1R II today!
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Zony_user wroteMTF's from the Sony Japan website. Left one is at f2

http://www.sony.jp/products/picture/y_RX1RM2_ZEISS_MTF.jpg
There seem to be an improvement when comparing the MTF Chart from the RX1R and RX1RII. Look at the f/8 Chart (20lp/mm)


Wow you're right, that is incredible.
Nov 06, 2015 at 11:02 AM
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p.4 #6Pre-order the new Sony RX1R II today!
Fred Miranda wrote:
I consider the RX1RII a complement to my A7RII. It's so small, I can always carry it with me but it will also be used as a 35/2 lens for serious shooting.

I always disregarded the fixed lens RX1 but after renting one and viewing the images it produces, I had a change of heart and can't wait to get my hands on the Mark II.

I will be in Yosemite at the end of the year and hopefully will have my new Kit together:
FE 16-35/4, Loxia 21/2.8, RX1RII 35/2 and FE 55/1.8.

Have anyone seeing RX1/R tests for coma performance?


Hi Fred,

If you are going to Yosemite I hope that you will have something longer than only 55mm with you.

I am still debating on a 35mm lens that will be sharp into the corners at least for landscape for enough DOF. I anticipate getting an A7rII and to keep and use my A7r as a 2nd body. The RX1RII would provide me with the lens, but I could see myself carrying 3 cameras/bodies with me and an assortment of lenses frequently.

Rich
Nov 06, 2015 at 11:14 AM
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p.4 #7Pre-order the new Sony RX1R II today!
Jeff Kott wrote:
Cometsoft wroteI would be more tempted if it had image stabilization.
Don't take this the wrong way, but this sounds like an excuse you're telling yourself not to get the camera. With a 32 mm focal length, the speed of the lens and the performance of this sensor at high ISOs, there is absolutely no need for IBIS on this camera and the addition of IBIS is certainly not worth the size and weight increase which would ruin the whole gestalt of the camera, not to mention the possible degradation of IQ as others have mentioned. If you want IBIS, stick with one of the A7s.


My credit card says I need an excuse. That aside, there are a lot of times when I shoot at smaller apertures in poor light or might want to use that nifty macro mode where IBIS would be a big plus.
Nov 06, 2015 at 11:51 AM
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p.4 #8Pre-order the new Sony RX1R II today!
Fred Miranda wrote:
I consider the RX1RII a complement to my A7RII. It's so small, I can always carry it with me but it will also be used as a 35/2 lens for serious shooting.

I always disregarded the fixed lens RX1 but after renting one and viewing the images it produces, I had a change of heart and can't wait to get my hands on the Mark II.

I will be in Yosemite at the end of the year and hopefully will have my new Kit together:
FE 16-35/4, Loxia 21/2.8, RX1RII 35/2 and FE 55/1.8.

Have anyone seeing RX1/R tests for coma performance?


Wait until you use it for a few trips. You will find even more surprised. I was in the same situation, didn't buy it for almost about a year and feel no way I gonna like it, then bought it for China trip thought will sell it afterward then I am hooked.

The coma performance is great I would say. At least from limit night use I am with it. I couldn't find the night image I took with it at Yosemite from my flickr at this time. (I remember the star in good shape even in corner)

Here are a few I can find though. You still can judge its coma performance I guess by the moon or light shape.

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7306/13024997835_b9ef084d82_b.jpg

https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8643/15927919472_fa714a714a_b.jpg

https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8601/16796852672_c5730a931e_b.jpg

All WO


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Nov 06, 2015 at 12:29 PM
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p.4 #9Pre-order the new Sony RX1R II today!
The IQ from the RX1 is some of the best my eyes have seen. There is just a depth and richness to the files that I am constantly blown away by. The RX1R II should just be incredible. Such incredible HORSEPOWER in such a tiny footprint.

A lot of the times when I have shot with the RX1 I seemed to be dismissed and ignored as someone with a small point and shoot. I kinda like that feeling.

Shot with the RX1.

http://www.hepkitty.net/forum/m-240.jpg
Nov 06, 2015 at 01:31 PM
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p.4 #10Pre-order the new Sony RX1R II today!
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Have anyone seeing RX1/R tests for coma performance?


it's quite good, not amazing.

here's an f/2 starscape:
http://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5515/9448383924_dfeb4bf7f4_o.jpg

don't have access to anything full sized right now, but will look later.

Nov 06, 2015 at 02:19 PM
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p.4 #11Pre-order the new Sony RX1R II today!
naturephoto1 wrote:
Fred Miranda wroteI consider the RX1RII a complement to my A7RII. It's so small, I can always carry it with me but it will also be used as a 35/2 lens for serious shooting.

I always disregarded the fixed lens RX1 but after renting one and viewing the images it produces, I had a change of heart and can't wait to get my hands on the Mark II.

I will be in Yosemite at the end of the year and hopefully will have my new Kit together:
FE 16-35/4, Loxia 21/2.8, RX1RII 35/2 and FE 55/1.8.

Have anyone seeing RX1/R tests for coma performance?
Hi Fred,

If you are going to Yosemite I hope that you will have something longer than only 55mm with you.

Rich


I always bring my 70-200/4 but never use it.
I'm more of a wide angle guy even in Yosemite. Below taken with my TS-E17/4.






Nov 06, 2015 at 02:31 PM
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p.4 #12Pre-order the new Sony RX1R II today!
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Zony_user wrote
dgdg wroteSound like a great camera but with an a7r2 or A7R I can change my lenses. I don't understand the draw. What are the killer features that pull one to a fixed 35mm camera? Especially at this price.
There is no native (FE or Zeiss) 35mm lens that can match the overall IQ of the 35mm Sonnar on the RX1. The camera is also smaller and lighter than a FE 35/1.4. So it makes sense to designate this camera as your 35mm lens because it also doubles as a backup camera to your A7 system. It's always easier to switch cameras than it is to switch lenses.

And some people prefer shooting with one lens. If you prefer the 35mm FOV and shoot 80% of your shots with a 35mm (like I do) you just can't beat the RX1 series. When you consider how tiny it is, it becomes a very powerful tool for any photographer.
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dgdg wroteSound like a great camera but with an a7r2 or A7R I can change my lenses. I don't understand the draw. What are the killer features that pull one to a fixed 35mm camera? Especially at this price.
The main "feature" is the size of the package that is possible with a fixed lens approach. Simply put you cannot get higher IQ in any camera ever made that is the same size or smaller.

The lens is actually much larger than it looks and protrudes deep into the camera body with the rear element on a few millimeters above the sensor (which is itself much further back than on something like an A7, look where the sensor position mark is on the RX1). This allows for a high quality optical design in a small overall package.

Having a fixed lens makes makes it easy and economical to add a leaf shutter which is another unique feature.

The other side of the coin is that only having one lens is seen as an advantage, to some. It forces you to be more creative, it eliminates the time spent changing lenses or thinking about changing lenses etc.
Nuts. Looks like it is on my radar now....

David


Adding a third good reason for the Rx1rII - flash sync to 1/2000 sec. You can now shoot a backlit subject in full daylight without attaching a monstrous strobe that blinds everyone. Or maybe isolate a subject and darken the background to make it look almost like a studio shot. Combine that with world class, creamy bokeh and whole new possibilities open up.
Nov 06, 2015 at 03:09 PM
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p.4 #13Pre-order the new Sony RX1R II today!
Fred Miranda wrote:
I consider the RX1RII a complement to my A7RII. It's so small, I can always carry it with me but it will also be used as a 35/2 lens for serious shooting.

I always disregarded the fixed lens RX1 but after renting one and viewing the images it produces, I had a change of heart and can't wait to get my hands on the Mark II.

I will be in Yosemite at the end of the year and hopefully will have my new Kit together:
FE 16-35/4, Loxia 21/2.8, RX1RII 35/2 and FE 55/1.8.

Have anyone seeing RX1/R tests for coma performance?


That will be a nice kit Fred. Curious if you think the Loxia 21/2.8 will have an advantage over the 16-35mm (at 21mm) - aside from speed.
Nov 06, 2015 at 03:13 PM
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p.4 #14Pre-order the new Sony RX1R II today!
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Fred Miranda wroteHave anyone seeing RX1/R tests for coma performance?
it's quite good, not amazing.

here's an f/2 starscape:
http://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5515/9448383924_dfeb4bf7f4_o.jpg

don't have access to anything full sized right now, but will look later.



Thanks for the sample. Looks good.

Nov 07, 2015 at 10:08 AM
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p.4 #15Pre-order the new Sony RX1R II today!

Fred, better bring several batteries for it since cold weather shooting is the achilles heel of the RX1 as it really sucks batteries in the cold.
Hopefully we will get some snow in the valley this winter!
Maybe see you up there when it does.

Fred Miranda wrote:
I consider the RX1RII a complement to my A7RII. It's so small, I can always carry it with me but it will also be used as a 35/2 lens for serious shooting.

I always disregarded the fixed lens RX1 but after renting one and viewing the images it produces, I had a change of heart and can't wait to get my hands on the Mark II.

I will be in Yosemite at the end of the year and hopefully will have my new Kit together:
FE 16-35/4, Loxia 21/2.8, RX1RII 35/2 and FE 55/1.8.

Have anyone seeing RX1/R tests for coma performance?


Nov 07, 2015 at 11:34 AM
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p.4 #16Pre-order the new Sony RX1R II today!
Can anyone explain for me what is the optical advantage of having the lens really close to sensor?
Nov 07, 2015 at 11:40 AM
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p.4 #17Pre-order the new Sony RX1R II today!
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Can anyone explain for me what is the optical advantage of having the lens really close to sensor?


It saves space?
Nov 07, 2015 at 11:45 AM
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p.4 #18Pre-order the new Sony RX1R II today!
Fred Miranda wrote:
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Fred Miranda wroteHave anyone seeing RX1/R tests for coma performance?
it's quite good, not amazing.

here's an f/2 starscape:
http://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5515/9448383924_dfeb4bf7f4_o.jpg

don't have access to anything full sized right now, but will look later.
Thanks for the sample. Looks good.



here's the full size version. only processing is -1 exposure, vignetting profile correction (but not distortion), CA correction, and +15 luminance noise correction. it's a 5s exposure at iso 6400, so it's a bit motion blurred and a bit noisy.

Nov 07, 2015 at 01:34 PM
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p.4 #19Pre-order the new Sony RX1R II today!
I'm going to preorder this one, using Fred's link of course, and then deciding afterwards whether to continue to roll with my a7rII setup or ditch it and go with the RX1RII. I'm optimistic that for 90% of the shooting that I do it'll be fine. I don't usually shoot wide, my 28 has been used 5-6 times since I got it and I'm rarely at the wide end on my 24-70. The last few weeks I've used the 55 the majority of the time since I'm indoors a lot and only use the 24-70 during a recent portrait session.

I still have a place for a interchangeable system and still feel a draw towards a DSLR system no matter how dated the technology is. Sometimes for portrait sessions the speed and lenses such as the 24-70 2.8 or 85L are nice to have. I do have to say that the eye AF has made portraits easier to take and having it on the RX1RII is a nice touch.

Who knows maybe I'll get the RX1RII and won't look back and it'll be my only camera I use and I can focus more on family and sink my cash into other things
Nov 07, 2015 at 07:26 PM
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p.4 #20Pre-order the new Sony RX1R II today!
nntnam wrote:
Can anyone explain for me what is the optical advantage of having the lens really close to sensor?


It's not just the proximity to the sensor but the size of the element which is almost as large as the sensor itself, I believe this helps reduce aberrations in the corners. You could get an element close to the sensor with many mirrorless mounts, but you can't make it that large.

You can see the size of the rear element here:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-nAI8wuqPhfA/UFSqvr75fVI/AAAAAAAAD8c/hyH4-03jUSo/s1600/rx1-35mm-sonnar-autofocus-lens.jpg

It's a design philosophy shared with other very high quality fixed lens cameras, the rear element in the Sigma DP2 is the largest in the whole lens!

http://mattgrum.com/fm/sigma_dp2m_f.jpg


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