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p.5 #1 · Kolari Mod's Improvements: A Summary of Tests


JaKo wrote:
...PS.
BTW, have you noticed any differences in colour shift caused by Kolari mod that varied between mod versions and cameras, especially A7R2M sensor vs. 'older' Sony sensors?


I have been using the 2nd gen. glass so can't comment on the difference between mod versions (this A7RII.Mod has the 2nd gen. glass). I have not compared the A7RII to A7S to assess the difference in color response, but I'll do that.



Nov 14, 2015 at 11:07 PM
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p.5 #2 · Kolari Mod's Improvements: A Summary of Tests


hiepphotog wrote:
TESTED LENSES:

M Lenses: (sorted by focal length)

Zeiss ZM 15 f/2.8
Leica WATE 16-18-21 f/4 <------------------------- LEICA TRI-ELMAR-M 1:4/16-18-21 APH.
Leica Elmarit 21 f/2.8 <---------------------------- LEICA ELMARIT-M 1'2.8/21 ASPH. E 55
Leica Summicron 28 f/2 <-------------------------- LEICA SUMMICRON-M 1:2/28 ASPH. E 46
Leica Elmarit 28 f/2.8 <---------------------------- LEICA ELMARIT-M 1;2,8 ASPH. E 39
Zeiss ZM 35 f/1.4
Leica Summilux 35 f/1.4 ASPH (non-FLE) <------ LEICA SUMMILUX-M 1:1.4/35 ASPH. E 46
Leica Summicron 35 f/2 ASPH <-------------------- LEICA SUMMICRON-M 1:2/35 ASPH. E 39
Leica Summilux 50 f/1.4 ASPH <------------------- LEICA SUMMILUX-M 1:1.4/50 ASPH. E 46
Leica Summicron 50 f/2 APO
Leica Summicron 50 f/2 <--------------------------- LEICA SUMMICRON-M 1:2/50 E 39
Leica Summicron Rigid
...Show more

I checked the lenses again and updated the above table.

Zeiss ZM 15 f/2.8
Leica WATE 16-18-21 f/4 <------------------------- LEICA TRI-ELMAR-M 1:4/16-18-21 APH.
Leica Elmarit 21 f/2.8 <---------------------------- LEICA ELMARIT-M 1'2.8/21 ASPH. E 55
Leica Summicron 28 f/2 <-------------------------- LEICA SUMMICRON-M 1:2/28 ASPH. E 46
Leica Elmarit 28 f/2.8 <---------------------------- LEICA ELMARIT-M 1;2,8 ASPH. E 39
Zeiss ZM 35 f/1.4
Leica Summilux 35 f/1.4 ASPH (non-FLE) <------ LEICA SUMMILUX-M 1:1.4/35 ASPH. E 46
Leica Summicron 35 f/2 ASPH <-------------------- LEICA SUMMICRON-M 1:2/35 ASPH. E 39
Leica Summilux 50 f/1.4 ASPH <------------------- LEICA SUMMILUX-M 1:1.4/50 ASPH. E 46
Leica Summicron 50 f/2 APO
Leica Summicron 50 f/2 <--------------------------- LEICA SUMMICRON-M 1:2/50 E 39
Leica Summicron Rigid 50 f/2 <-------------------- Ernst Leitz GmbH Wetzlar Summicron f = 5 cm 1:2
Leica Elmar-M 50 f/2.8 <---------------------------- LEICA ELMAR-M 1:2.8/50 E 39 <.............................. collapsible
Leica Visoflex 65 f/3.5 <----------------------------- LEITZ CANADA ELMAR 1:3.5/65
Leica Summicron 75 f/2 APO <---------------------- LEICA APO-SUMMICRON-M 1:2/75 ASPH. E 49
<------------------------------------------------------- LEITZ CANADA SUMMICRON 1:2/90
Leica Elmarit 90 f/2.8 M <---------------------------- LEICA ELMARIT-M 1'2.8/90 E 46
Leica Elmarit 90 f/2.8 <------------------------------- LEITZ WETZLAR ELMARIT 1:2.8/90
Leica Tele-Elmarit 90 f/2.8 <------------------------- LEITZ LENS MADE IN CANADA TELE-ELMARIT-M 1:2.8/90
Leica Tele-Elmar 135 f/4 <---------------------------- LEITZ WETZLAR TELE-ELMAR 1:4/135

Cheers, K-H.

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Nov 14, 2015 at 11:36 PM
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p.5 #3 · Kolari Mod's Improvements: A Summary of Tests


Tariq Gibran wrote:
That's very kind and thanks. Probably the WATE at 16mm's as it shows the sky, sand/ green foliage and the road.





Thanks, here you go. I picked WATE, 16 mm, f/8.
I will upload two images. First Hiep's image. Then mine with the different profile.

K-H.



Nov 15, 2015 at 02:25 AM
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p.5 #4 · Kolari Mod's Improvements: A Summary of Tests


https://winklers.smugmug.com/KHW/Pics-by-Date/2015-11-08-M915f28-Zeiss/i-pRn2HzH/0/O/1217108_897x761.jpg


https://winklers.smugmug.com/KHW/Pics-by-Date/2015-11-08-M915f28-Zeiss/i-86nfZrb/0/O/_DSC5687%20f%3D8_1683x1422_897x758.jpg



Nov 15, 2015 at 02:27 AM
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p.5 #5 · Kolari Mod's Improvements: A Summary of Tests




k-h.a.w wrote:
Thanks, here you go. I picked WATE, 16 mm, f/8.
I will upload two images. First Hiep's image. Then mine with the different profile.

K-H.


I'd be interested in seeing that A7Rii image with the v2 CamreraRaw profile I posted (go back in this thread) or if someone wants to send me a link to the RAW file I can try it myself. I only have an A7 body.

Thanks,

Michael



Nov 15, 2015 at 02:35 AM
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p.5 #6 · Kolari Mod's Improvements: A Summary of Tests


mdemeyer wrote:
I'd be interested in seeing that A7Rii image with the v2 CamreraRaw profile I posted (go back in this thread) or if someone wants to send me a link to the RAW file I can try it myself. I only have an A7 body.

Thanks,

Michael



Thanks. So I downloaded these files

A7M v2 Leica DI.dcp
A7M v2 Zeiss DI.dcp

and stuck them into the same place on my Mac where I put

Sony ILCE-7RM2 Kolari.dcp

I see the last one listed under profiles, but not the first two.

What do I do wrong?

Thanks, K-H.





Nov 15, 2015 at 03:02 AM
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p.5 #7 · Kolari Mod's Improvements: A Summary of Tests


mdemeyer wrote:
I'd be interested in seeing that A7Rii image with the v2 CamreraRaw profile I posted (go back in this thread) or if someone wants to send me a link to the RAW file I can try it myself. I only have an A7 body.

Thanks,

Michael


Michael, can you change the tag of your profile to A7RII? Using dcptool. Thank you.

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k-h.a.w wrote:
Thanks. So I downloaded these files

A7M v2 Leica DI.dcp
A7M v2 Zeiss DI.dcp

and stuck them into the same place on my Mac where I put

Sony ILCE-7RM2 Kolari.dcp

I see the last one listed under profiles, but not the first two.

What do I do wrong?

Thanks, K-H.



K-H, the profile is tagged as A7's profile so it would not appear on the profile list for the A7RII. You have to use tool like "dcptool" to change the tag to A7RII. I have not done this myself so I can't help on this.



Nov 15, 2015 at 09:51 AM
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p.5 #8 · Kolari Mod's Improvements: A Summary of Tests


hiepphotog wrote:
Michael, can you change the tag of your profile to A7RII? Using dcptool. Thank you.

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K-H, the profile is tagged as A7's profile so it would not appear on the profile list for the A7RII. You have to use tool like "dcptool" to change the tag to A7RII. I have not done this myself so I can't help on this.



Thanks Hiep. If Michael could change the tag and repost with a different name I could give it a try.

Regards, K-H.



Nov 15, 2015 at 11:25 AM
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p.5 #9 · Kolari Mod's Improvements: A Summary of Tests


For M lenses above 90mm, there is no visible degradation. The 50 APO has similar degradation as the 75 APO (very slight) on the stock A7RII.
To conclude our tests, we are showing only the most significant difference on SLR lenses (Leica R lenses and a couple of others). In general, wide angle lenses at their widest aperture would see slight haziness, probably due to slight increase in astigmatism.

Left - Kolari.Mod A7RII, Right - Stock A7RII

1st Crop: 28mm f/2.8 from the Leica R 28-90 f/2.8-4.5
2nd Crop: 24mm f/3.5 from the Minolta 24-35 f/3.5





28mm f/2.8 from the Leica R 28-90 f/2.8-4.5







24mm f/3.5 from the Minolta 24-35 f/3.5




Nov 15, 2015 at 03:41 PM
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p.5 #10 · Kolari Mod's Improvements: A Summary of Tests


Thanks Hiep and K-H really helpful and useful information guys
Cheers Barry



Nov 15, 2015 at 10:01 PM
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p.5 #11 · Kolari Mod's Improvements: A Summary of Tests


Thank you very much Heip and K-H


Nov 15, 2015 at 10:11 PM
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p.5 #12 · Kolari Mod's Improvements: A Summary of Tests


leicamera wrote:
Thanks Hiep and K-H really helpful and useful information guys
Cheers Barry


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charles.K wrote:
Thank you very much Heip and K-H


Barry and Charles, you're welcome .



Nov 15, 2015 at 10:24 PM
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p.5 #13 · Kolari Mod's Improvements: A Summary of Tests


hiepphotog wrote:
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Barry and Charles, you're welcome .


+1

K-H.



Nov 15, 2015 at 10:33 PM
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p.5 #14 · Kolari Mod's Improvements: A Summary of Tests


Fred, you need to add a zero after the +1 button for this thread So much work Hiep--thanks much. The stack has so much influence.


Nov 15, 2015 at 10:35 PM
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First of all thank you so much for Hiep - you have done so much for posting these.

Second, is there any tests with Super-Elmar-M 21mm and A7r II_Mod? So far I have not seen any. If I would have to guess we see as dramatical improvements as with Elmarit-M 21mm.

I am really starting to be tempted by A7r II_Mod, assuming Super-Elmar 21mm improves, as my M 240 leaves something to be desired as a landscape camera...



Nov 16, 2015 at 10:33 AM
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p.5 #16 · Kolari Mod's Improvements: A Summary of Tests


Thanks Hiep and K-H, these tests and your taking the time to post the results is much appreciated.


Nov 16, 2015 at 10:50 AM
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nehemiahphoto wrote:
Fred, you need to add a zero after the +1 button for this thread So much work Hiep--thanks much. The stack has so much influence.


You're welcome Nehemiah. Part of giving back to this awesome community .
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Tmuussoni wrote:
First of all thank you so much for Hiep - you have done so much for posting these.

Second, is there any tests with Super-Elmar-M 21mm and A7r II_Mod? So far I have not seen any. If I would have to guess we see as dramatical improvements as with Elmarit-M 21mm.

I am really starting to be tempted by A7r II_Mod, assuming Super-Elmar 21mm improves, as my M 240 leaves something to be desired as a landscape camera...


Thank you. We don't have the SEM 21 to test. However, you can check the first post on the first page to see the results on the A7 and A7R. I believe that lens should perform beautifully on the A7RII, just not sure if there is any residual field curvature or not. I tested the Elmar 24, and that lens is sharp WO with no residual FC.

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Steve Spencer wrote:
Thanks Hiep and K-H, these tests and your taking the time to post the results is much appreciated.


You're welcome Steve .



Nov 16, 2015 at 10:57 AM
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p.5 #18 · Kolari Mod's Improvements: A Summary of Tests


Some interesting comparisons on Leica SL and M240.

http://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/252842-m-lens-performance-on-the-sl/page-6#entry2929734


Hiep,

I am curious now how the A7r2.Kolari.mod performs for a short or even the close focus distance of a lens.
Hmm.

Regards, K-H.



Nov 16, 2015 at 11:30 AM
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p.5 #19 · Kolari Mod's Improvements: A Summary of Tests


k-h.a.w wrote:
Some interesting comparisons on Leica SL and M240.

http://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/252842-m-lens-performance-on-the-sl/page-6#entry2929734

Hiep,

I am curious now how the A7r2.Kolari.mod performs for a short or even the close focus distance of a lens.
Hmm.

Regards, K-H.


K-H, interesting tests. Short to close focus distance tests require perfect alignment between the test subject and the sensor to have any value. That's why I shy away from that cause it takes a lot (a lot) more time. And at this distance, corner-to-corner sharpness is not as critical. Floating elements design lens cope a bit better than the normal one. I don't believe any of the Leica UWA/WA on that list have that (except the WATE).

With that said, I''m down if we can come up with a way to keep things in parallel. I do dabble with macro on my ZM 15 (max mag. is around 1:2.5), so I'm curious as well.



Nov 16, 2015 at 12:23 PM
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I'll say again, absolutely brilliant. Hiep, Karl-Heinz: thank you.

As an aside -- this is the largest test I've seen of various Leica lenses on a somewhat homogenous, non-studio scene. I hope that full versions of these images might sometime be available. (If it would be a matter of buying a used SD card that happened to have some images on it, let me know. )

Looking through the images again, I see ... and I might have simply fallen off my rocker from drinking too much koolaid ... but I see higher contrast with the Kolari mod, even when no higher resolution is apparent. I think that what I'm seeing is due to the (obvious) reduction in blue filtering resulting in (a subtle?) reduction of atmospheric haze. Before I think too much about this, I'd be interested to learn if anyone else sees the same thing.

This makes me wonder if there isn't any UV contamination here. Does anyone in the southern hemisphere have a Kolari modded camera who would be willing to take a test portrait of someone with half a face's worth of sunscreen? Personally, this would make me jump at the mod -- I like the way UV looks in images -- but it would be worth knowing about if something beyond visible is making an appearance here. Unlikely -- I trust Kolari to know their stuff -- but perhaps worth a look.

Cheers,
Jon



Nov 16, 2015 at 10:02 PM
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