p.53 #1 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
DavidBM wrote:
It won't be a matter just of white balance; it's a matter of the camera profiles that Adobe and Phase give you as default.
Jim Kasson (google his blog site) has done some comparison testing of them.
The C1 colour profiles are a little less accurate than the Adobe ones, but a lot of people prefer them. Both deviate from strict accuracy in similarish ways...
So basically the colour mappings are close but a little different, and while both Adobe and Phase increase chroma (think of it as saturation in LAB mode, though that's not exactly right) more than strictly accurate, Phase increases it more. Which maybe why some people prefer it: it looks more "colourful" out of the tin,
To simulate the C1 colour rendering exactly you'd need to make your own profile (or possibly you could do it by adjusting the hue and saturation sliders for particular colours, and saving that as a preset).
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Thanks. But I hope there is an easier way than each user making their own personal adjustments.
Maybe someone has made this adjustments that aplies to the combination RX1R2/LR6 and shared them?
p.53 #2 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
wiregen wrote:
I returned my RX1R II i bought from amazon after 2 weeks of ownership. All the sudden the it'd stop autofocusing and the menu buttons stopped working. I've tried everything...I'm going to wait probally until Feb or March before re-picking one up. I'll stick to my RX1 for the time being.
I wonder if this problem is the reason that Sony halted distribution of the camera.
p.53 #3 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
patrik_f wrote:
Has anyone compared the results from Capture one 9 vs Lightrom 6 ragarding "standard development" of raw-files from Rx1r2? In my taste the results from C1 has much richer colour and "punch", better handling of highlights and shadows for example. And strangely for me, the two softwares seems to interpret the "cameras own" recorded white balance very different.
I havenīt found a way to mimic the results from C1 in LR
Hello, I am not a Sony user but stumbled on your post non the less (the thread, like many other Sony threads, is an interesting read).
I moved from Lightroom to C1 in the spring of 2015 and did many tests between the two programs. At the moment I am running C1 to 100% and I'm mostly happy with it. The detail extraction, local adjustment tools and noise handling are all better IMO.
As far as C1 having much richer color and punch from the get go it's very true of all files I have tried in it, I am currently shooting Olympus but i pulled some older Nikon D700 files in there and they too are much punchier, for better or worse. I participated in a C1 online course and the C1 trainer himself said their handling is punchier from the start, if one doesn't like it a good way to tone it down is just to pull back on the contrast a little bit. Personally, what I am having trouble with is skin color, it's much too red, at least from the Olympus files. I pretty much always have to dial back the red when shooting portraits.
As far as Lightroom goes, that program has a more zeroed approach to the files. When you import they are more or less zeroed. You can choose a camera profile (almost at the bottom of the adjustments, think it's under "camera profile") and I found the profiles in Lightroom to mimic the camera JPG profiles very well. If I bring in a JPG vivid and compare it to a RAW which I have chosen camera profile vivid for, the two files are almost identical which is a great thing.
If you like punchier files, you need to work a little more in Lightroom, you can get there but you probably need to work more with both contrast, saturation and clarity. However, changing the camera profile from Adobe Standard to one of the camera profiles gets you a LONG way and saves time. Try setting the C1 profile to zeroed and you will see how much a difference it makes in C1.
White balance too is interpreted in a very different way in both programs and that is something I am struggling with as well. To me, I get better and more consistent results in Lightroom but that's me and my Olympus. Again, C1 is off on the reds and often off on the yellows as well (yellow flowers for example come out very dull). The color editing tools in C1 are great which is why I can live with the problems I have with the colors from the Olympus files.
p.53 #4 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
I find that LR standard profile works great with the newer Sony cameras (A7RII, RX1RII). Great skin tones and overall color/contrast for landscapes. When more pop is desired, you have the in-camera profile options to choose from (the ones used for jpeg files).
I like the C1 starting point 'look' (curve, colors, sharpening) for some images and it's not hard to mimic that look in LR with a preset.
p.53 #5 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
The first shots I usually take with any new camera is of Xrite's color checker target. The resultant color profiles (using the Passport software) are specific to that particular camera - no "one size fits all", and these profiles work great. I usually take one for sunlight and overcast. Switching to the appropriate profile is the fist step in my LR flow.
It only takes about five minutes. Well worth the time and the money spent.
p.53 #6 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
Surelythisnameisfree wrote:
The photo isn't quite fair though as the Leica needs some kind of grip - more so than the Sony given the body shape and centre of gravity.
I have owned the RX1R and currently own the "Q". The "Q" with the "Thumbs-Up" thumb grip attached does not need an additional grip on the front. I had the RX1RII on order, but after waiting over a month I gave up waiting.
p.53 #7 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
kmleffler wrote:
I have owned the RX1R and currently own the "Q". The "Q" with the "Thumbs-Up" thumb grip attached does not need an additional grip on the front. I had the RX1RII on order, but after waiting over a month I gave up waiting.
I think that you are not alone in this and that Sony has lost more than a few RX1R-II sales due to their inability to deliver the camera while the buzz of newness was still hot. However, I predict that there will be lots of used Qs coming up for sale when their owners discover that the 28mm focal length is not the same as shooting at 35mm, except wider. 28mm is truly wide angle and requires a different kind of visualization.
p.53 #9 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
nehemiahphoto wrote:
I owned the RX1 for about a year, couldn't ever get use to 35 (even though it's wide). At 28 I am right at home. Same with 21 and 24...
That's fine for you and others who like 28mm, but most potential RX1R-II buyers prefer 35mm. I expect some of them will discover that fact after a trial with the Q and come home to Sony.
p.53 #10 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
Hmm, that is an interesting prediction. Though I prefer 35mm a bit over 28mm, I am happy with either. With the Q I could get both focal lengths (even though it's a 15MP APS-C crop), making it more versatile than the RX1 in that regard. With the ability to crop, I've come to realize that (a bit) wider is better with digital images. And I don't see alot of GR owners returning their cameras.
p.53 #11 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
There's an interesting 'message/rumor' on Sonyalpharumors that the RX1-II stoppage is to redesigning the assembly process due to a higher than expected number of sensor/lenses being out of alignment resulting in problems with edge sharpness. So apparently they'll improve there assembly process then start selling them again if you believe the rumour the note also claims that the RX1-II gets cherry-picked sensors (the best sensors from each batch). Interesting if true though how reliable it is one wonders.
p.53 #13 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
Υeah 35-40 is by far the most popular focal length, although I think people are too quick to select it as a "safe" in-between option that does a bit of everything. It's almost like an automatic selection for a fixed lens camera, but sometimes it just reflects withdrawal symptoms from other lenses, "what if I miss my 50 or my 21, best to get something in-between"
I find that 28 does give a bit more depth and character once you get used to working a bit closer. Just that extra spice.
Possible cause of the production halt. Sounds reasonable, but of course not confirmed by Sony.
The amount of detail and specificity given to the cause as well as sensor information, etc. does make this sound like a likely explanation. I thought I had read back in December that Sony was going to release more info about the reason and details around now so perhaps this leak is it and we will not see anything official (not a very good way to communicate with your customers).
p.53 #15 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
robgo2 wrote:
That's fine for you and others who like 28mm, but most potential RX1R-II buyers prefer 35mm. I expect some of them will discover that fact after a trial with the Q and come home to Sony.
Rob
Yeah, I feel like 24/35/50 is more popular. I prefer 21/28/85. I hope your theory is correct--I would love more q's then people know what to do with on the used market. I would like to see makers have an option for a virtual FL. Like if you have a 24mm prime, you put in the desired FL such as 28 or 35, and if shows your 28/35mm crop perspective in the EVF as if we had a 28/35 mounted. Then it crops the RAW to the FL shot.
p.53 #16 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
aeonsim wrote:
There's an interesting 'message/rumor' on Sonyalpharumors that the RX1-II stoppage is to redesigning the assembly process due to a higher than expected number of sensor/lenses being out of alignment resulting in problems with edge sharpness. So apparently they'll improve there assembly process then start selling them again if you believe the rumour the note also claims that the RX1-II gets cherry-picked sensors (the best sensors from each batch). Interesting if true though how reliable it is one wonders.
I find it strange that Sony would state that the RX1RII gets the best of the sensors that are produced. What does that say to owners and purchasers of the RX7RII, which is said to have the same sensor.
p.53 #17 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
TMaG82 wrote:
For me it comes down to 28 vs 35. If you don't have a preference to either, then it comes down to being able to manual focus easier vs being able to shoot wide open at f/2 at close distances against having the 1.7 stop down to 2.8.
You also have to take into account the fact that the RX1RII cannot use shutter speeds above 1/2000 when shooting wide open.
p.53 #19 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
Zony_user wrote:
Hmm, that is an interesting prediction. Though I prefer 35mm a bit over 28mm, I am happy with either. With the Q I could get both focal lengths (even though it's a 15MP APS-C crop), making it more versatile than the RX1 in that regard. With the ability to crop, I've come to realize that (a bit) wider is better with digital images. And I don't see alot of GR owners returning their cameras.
People who own GRs prefer 28mm for street shooting, which is why they purchased that camera in the first place. So, it figures that not many will return them for reasons relating to the focal length.
