p.46 #1 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
We have different shooting needs and may sway you in the wrong direction.
I would rent both and test them side by side. When you rent something, there is no skin in the game and you may be very objective on your findings..
In about 5 days, you will make up your mind.
p.46 #2 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
Tariq Gibran wrote:
...and of course the Q has that gorgeous, superior 4.41m dot EVF finder compared to any Sony.
I think that is the SL with the 4.4 million dot EVF, the Q, if I'm not mistaken is "only" 3.6 million dots. That sounds great on paper of course, but, seems that a lot of users have reported the EVF color isn't very accurate, and that its also a bit smeared in the corners.
p.46 #3 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
millsart wrote:
I think that is the SL with the 4.4 million dot EVF, the Q, if I'm not mistaken is "only" 3.6 million dots. That sounds great on paper of course, but, seems that a lot of users have reported the EVF color isn't very accurate, and that its also a bit smeared in the corners.
Having handled the SL at PhotoPlus on October 22, in NYC I will say that the EVF of the camera is outstanding, easily the best that I have ever seen. Unfortunately the cost of the camera and the fact that it is only 24 MP were not to my liking.
p.46 #4 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
I believe one of the reasons Sony has not improved EVF further is battery life. That is not an issue with the Q because it's much bigger and can take a bigger battery pack.
Just going from Display Quality 'Standard' to 'High' which improves IQ and refresh rate will have an impact on energy needs:
Display Quality (Standard): 312.2mA
Display Quality (High): 373.5 mA
Also, according to Sony, their current EVF spends more energy than the LCD monitor.
p.46 #5 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
millsart wrote:
I think that is the SL with the 4.4 million dot EVF, the Q, if I'm not mistaken is "only" 3.6 million dots. That sounds great on paper of course, but, seems that a lot of users have reported the EVF color isn't very accurate, and that its also a bit smeared in the corners.
My mistake then. I thought the same EVF was used on both. For myself, I have pretty much decided that it will take a major improvement of the finder before I make my next major mirrorless system bocy upgrade from the A7r. The RX1rII though sure is tempting...and of course would not break my set rule for myself as it's a fixed lens camera.
p.46 #6 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
Fred Miranda wrote:
I believe one of the reasons Sony has not improved EVF further is battery life. That is not an issue with the Q because it's much bigger and can take a bigger battery pack.
Just going from Display Quality 'Standard' to 'High' which improves IQ and refresh rate will have an impact on energy needs:
Display Quality (Standard): 312.2mA
Display Quality (High): 373.5 mA
Also, according to Sony, their current EVF spends more energy than the LCD monitor.
Fred, what sort of battery life are you seeing from the RX1rII? I was reading crazy short times of just 50 shots at Digilloyd but I think he was in very cold weather. Are you seeing 200+ shots per battery?
p.46 #9 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
Keep in mind you have to be mindful to get 200+ shots. Turn off WiFi and turn of camera when possible and it will greatly help matters.
If you shoot continuously using continuous auto focus, then you may end up getting 50 shots per battery. Since I shoot landscape and street mostly, it's not an issue for me.
One thing I've noticed about the battery gauge - I could be at three bars and then shoot a dozen or so shots, pausing to carefully compose/focus/adjust between shots, I would see the gauge drop to one bar. Turning off the camera for a few minutes to let it "cool down", it returned to three bars.
One improvement I would like - giving us actual battery percentages instead of a four step icon. This is the way it is on the A7rII.
p.46 #10 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
dandrewk wrote:
Keep in mind you have to be mindful to get 200+ shots. Turn off WiFi and turn of camera when possible and it will greatly help matters.
If you shoot continuously using continuous auto focus, then you may end up getting 50 shots per battery. Since I shoot landscape and street mostly, it's not an issue for me.
One thing I've noticed about the battery gauge - I could be at three bars and then shoot a dozen or so shots, pausing to carefully compose/focus/adjust between shots, I would see the gauge drop to one bar. Turning off the camera for a few minutes to let it "cool down", it returned to three bars.
One improvement I would like - giving us actual battery percentages instead of a four step icon. This is the way it is on the A7rII....Show more →
Turning the camera off when it was not being used between shots and single shot AF is how I used my RX1.
p.46 #11 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
Contrary to what I read online, from my tests, it makes no difference turning off the camera or letting it go to sleep. An easy test is to let your fully charged camera go to sleep at night and check in the morning. It will still be 100%.
Also, I keep reading about airport mode, but that made no difference in my tests.
What really makes a big difference is outside temperature and LCD brightness.
Also, what has a small impact in battery life is having Display Quality se to "High" (instead of Standard), using the EVF more than the LCD and continuous AF mode. (I would advise turning off sound and light assistance as well)
Honestly the RX1RII battery life is no worse than the RX1R's. So, keeping a couple batteries in hand is not a bad idea.
p.46 #12 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
Fred Miranda wrote:
Contrary to what I read online, from my tests, it makes no difference turning off the camera or letting it go to sleep. An easy test is to let your fully charged camera go to sleep at night and check in the morning. It will still be 100%.
Also, I keep reading about airport mode, but that made no difference in my tests.
What really makes a big difference is outside temperature and LCD brightness.
Also, what has a small impact in battery life is having Display Quality se to "High" (instead of Standard), using the EVF more than the LCD and continuous AF mode. (I would advise turning off sound and light assistance as well)
Honestly the RX1RII battery life is no worse than the RX1R. So, keeping an extra couple batteries in hand is not a bad idea....Show more →
So, what kind of battery life are you seeing? I suspect most folks would want to use "High" for the EVF quality. I don't recall that being a choice with my A7r or the accessory EVF for the RX1 I used.
p.46 #13 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
Do the old RX1/RX100 generic batteries still work ?
They always have in the past, and you can get them for next to nothing. Unless Sony added some sort of chip requiring OEM batteries, I'd just carry a spare, which is small/light enough to even fit into a shirt pocket and be set.
p.46 #14 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
Tariq Gibran wrote:
So, what kind of battery life are you seeing? I suspect most folks would want to use "High" for the EVF quality. I don't recall that being a choice with my A7r or the accessory EVF for the RX1 I used.
On the A7R, the default Display Quality is "High". On the A7RII and RX1RII the default is "Standard". There is a slight difference in the display quality settings when using high magnification. The difference in energy usage is small though. (312mA for standard and 373ma for high)
I'm seeing battery life comparable to the RX1R. I have not counted the number of shots though.
p.46 #15 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
Tariq Gibran wrote:
Fred, what sort of battery life are you seeing from the RX1rII? I was reading crazy short times of just 50 shots at Digilloyd but I think he was in very cold weather. Are you seeing 200+ shots per battery?
I'll bet you that Lloyd doesn't have airplane mode turned on. He's way too quick on the trigger with complaining about cameras before he really gets to know them.
p.46 #16 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
Fred Miranda wrote:
Contrary to what I read online, from my tests, it makes no difference turning off the camera or letting it go to sleep. An easy test is to let your fully charged camera go to sleep at night and check in the morning. It will still be 100%.
That's not the same as turning off the camera between shots. If you don't turn off the camera and wait for sleep mode to engage, that's at least 10 seconds (minimum setting) that the camera is drawing power from the battery. Extrapolate that over the course of usage the battery still has juice and it will mean many more shots per battery.
The several times I've been out with the RX1rII it can mean doubling the shot total per battery.
p.46 #17 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
millsart wrote:
Do the old RX1/RX100 generic batteries still work ?
They always have in the past, and you can get them for next to nothing. Unless Sony added some sort of chip requiring OEM batteries, I'd just carry a spare, which is small/light enough to even fit into a shirt pocket and be set.
I have the Sony OEM, Wasabi and Clearmax batteries. All work fine.
p.46 #18 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
dandrewk wrote:
That's not the same as turning off the camera between shots. If you don't turn off the camera and wait for sleep mode to engage, that's at least 10 seconds (minimum setting) that the camera is drawing power from the battery. Extrapolate that over the course of usage the battery still has juice and it will mean many more shots per battery.
The several times I've been out with the RX1rII it can mean doubling the shot total per battery.
That is true is you always remember to turn the camera off right away between shots. The 10-sec. is a convenience because the camera will always remember and do it for you. (with some benefits, read on...)
Then turning the camera off, your focusing settings will be removed. On the other hand, when the camera wakes up from sleeping, it saves the focus settings (manual focus). If you are waiting for the 'good light' it may actually save battery as you wouldn't need to re-focus.
Another benefit will be less usage of the on/off switch. It's well built but if you turn your camera on/off 200 times a day, it's lifespan may be impacted.
My point was that there seems to be no difference between energy usage between a camera being off or sleeping.
If you always turn off the camera between shots, that is definitely the way to go.
p.46 #19 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
Agree when in doubt rent. Especially when there is real money on the line.
Fred Miranda wrote:
We have different shooting needs and may sway you in the wrong direction.
I would rent both and test them side by side. When you rent something, there is no skin in the game and you may be very objective on your findings..
In about 5 days, you will make up your mind.
p.46 #20 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
Jeff Kott wrote:
I'll bet you that Lloyd doesn't have airplane mode turned on. He's way too quick on the trigger with complaining about cameras before he really gets to know them.
