p.20 #1 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
millsart wrote:
So a camera that has only been in peoples hands, in small quantity, for a couple of months definitely has no dust issues, yet a camera that has been out since 2012, and owned by a far larger number of users, some of which subject the camera to pretty harsh environments, with a small minority having a dust "issue" (honestly first time I've ever heard about it and I spend about half my waking hours on camera forums lol) means that all RX1 have dust issues and your assured to have dust issues buying a new one within 24 hours of taking the camera out of the box ?
I'd have to agree. Not sure how anyone would conclude that Leica's are any better than Sony's when it comes to dust. There are 4 owners in this thread alone complaining about sensor dust on their Leica Q.
p.20 #4 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
Zony_user wrote:
I'd have to agree. Not sure how anyone would conclude that Leica's are any better than Sony's when it comes to dust. There are 4 owners in this thread alone complaining about sensor dust on their Leica Q.
p.20 #5 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
GMPhotography wrote:
Dust can come from internal parts as well. Not sure you could ultimately avoid it on any camera.
Its amazing that some people have time to actually use their cameras to take actual photos of things, with the amount of time that is seemingly spent testing and looking for issues.
I get that these aren't inexpensive purchases and all, but there seems to be a real analysis paralysis anymore, perpetuated by internet forums and fear mongering.
I mean look at DPR for example, half the threads are about "bad copies" of a given lens, and its like that across platforms, so not just Sony QC concerns.
Used to be that someone would buy a new lens, go out and shoot it. Now we buy a new lens and spend 2 weeks shooting brick walls and talking about it on forums, only to ultimately return the lens to the dealer, never once actually going out and using it.
Heaven forbid that when we find that "good" copy after going through 5 samples, mount it on our camera we take out of its hermetically sealed enclosure once a year (to protect it from things like dust, paint wear and anything else that will lessen the "investment") we trip over a tree root, fall and smash the camera, never having once gotten to enjoy it for the apparent reason we bought it.
Then again, I think sometimes camera ownership isn't really about taking photos these days, rather its sort of an entrance into an online club of gadget lovers. Its rather like sports cars. Few if any owners actually race those cars or a track, but instead they park them at a gathering, just to sit around and talk about them, show off the latest mod they did and the performance upgrade that will never be realized in any real world scenario.
Perhaps the fun isn't actually using the camera system these days, perhaps its just an excuse to spend months on the internet reading reviews, asking A or B type questions on forums, buying and trying every model under the sun, and being able to say you've put together that "perfect" kit, only to then find you don't really have that much need for it.
p.20 #6 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
Zony_user wrote:
Not sure how anyone would conclude that Leica's are any better than Sony's when it comes to dust. There are 4 owners in this thread alone complaining about sensor dust on their Leica Q.
Thanks for that link. Very helpful info and this starts to narrow the comparison. I'm still struggling with a lack of IBIS but for me the largest drawback to the Sony remains question of durability on the pop up view finder and a rather odd eye cup.
Either way It's quite nice to be able to have two options to pick from. My plan is to rent and try both and go from there.
p.20 #7 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
millsart wrote:
I get that these aren't inexpensive purchases and all, but there seems to be a real analysis paralysis anymore, perpetuated by internet forums and fear mongering.
Not really much of a surprise considering price point. Of course there are those who will just opine and not purchase at all while offering little...if any hands on information with the new model. As far as listening to others on line I think it's fairly safe to say most of us here value others views or else there would be little reason to participate, After all only a fool fails to profit from the wisdom of others. Having said that it can be a challenge sorting the virtual wheat from the chaff.
p.20 #9 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
Millsart, I owned 2 of the most maligned cameras in recent years.The Canon 5D II with its abominable AF and heinous banding, and the A7R, totally ruined by vibration (shuttershake). And while the Net was full of drama, owners kept getting great shots from both cams, which sold by the boatload. Goes to show...
p.20 #10 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
DLP wrote:
Thanks for that link. Very helpful info and this starts to narrow the comparison. I'm still struggling with a lack of IBIS but for me the largest drawback to the Sony remains question of durability on the pop up view finder and a rather odd eye cup.
Either way It's quite nice to be able to have two options to pick from. My plan is to rent and try both and go from there.
Honestly I've never felt the need for IBIS with the RX1/R. I could shoot down to 1/15 no problem with a decent grip, and the leaf shutter helps as well. But I guess ISO 800 as opposed to ISO 3200 could make a difference in certain situations.
The Q is nice but I really want a tilting screen for different angles/perspective and for tripod use. I also much prefer 35mm to 28nm.
I've seen some videos of the popup EVF and it looks/sounds much more robust than the RX100m4 EVF.(almost sounds like loading a magazine into a gun chamber lol) I have the external EVF permantly attached to my RX1R, and this EVF is alot more fiddly and prone to damage. I'm not worried at all about the durability of the new one.
p.20 #11 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
Zony_user wrote:
Honestly I've never felt the need for IBIS with the RX1/R. I could shoot down to 1/15 no problem with a decent grip, and the leaf shutter helps as well. But I guess ISO 800 as opposed to ISO 3200 could make a difference in certain situations.
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I have the external EVF permantly attached to my RX1R, and this EVF is alot more fiddly and prone to damage. I'm not worried at all about the durability of the new one.
if you shot without the evf you would feel the need for IBIS more. holding the camera away from my face drastically increases the shutter speed i need for a steady shot. also, being able to shoot slower is never a bad thing.
p.20 #12 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
The RX1 lens is just superb. The most boring images in poor or harsh light still have something to them. The RX1 thread is a poison to me. Once I can get RX1 for around $1k, I will have to make some tough decisions.
It is one of the very, very few lenses that seems to handle terrible and harsh light with ease. I don't think I would say it is like the best of both Zeiss's and Leica's lens philosophies combined, but I don't think I would argue that it isn't.
GMPhotography wrote:
Great Fred really interested in this test. I wanna know just how killer this lens everyone raves about
p.20 #14 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
sebboh wrote:
if you shot without the evf you would feel the need for IBIS more. holding the camera away from my face drastically increases the shutter speed i need for a steady shot. also, being able to shoot slower is never a bad thing.
I think I'll be fine shooting at the same shutter speeds with the tilting LCD --- I'd have the camera at chest level looking down on it like a Rolleiflex.
Yes those two extra stops would nice, but hardly a deal-breaker for me.
p.20 #15 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
TheEmrys wrote:
The RX1 lens is just superb. The most boring images in poor or harsh light still have something to them. The RX1 thread is a poison to me. Once I can get RX1 for around $1k, I will have to make some tough decisions.
you can get an rx1 for ~$1k now.
TheEmrys wrote:
It is one of the very, very few lenses that seems to handle terrible and harsh light with ease. I don't think I would say it is like the best of both Zeiss's and Leica's lens philosophies combined, but I don't think I would argue that it isn't.
combo of zeiss and minolta sounds plausible.
Zony_user wrote:
I think I'll be fine shooting at the same shutter speeds with the tilting LCD --- I'd have the camera at chest level looking down on it like a Rolleiflex.
yeah, too bad you can't do that with the original.
p.20 #16 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
sebboh wrote:
you can get an rx1 for ~$1k now.
My first Sony camera was the A7R and I've never tried the RX1. I just rented one and should get it next week. I will try my best to see if I can live with its shortcomings because it's about 1/3 the price (used) of the new one. The consensus it that the lens is what makes the RX1 so great, so if one can live with slower/hunting AF in low light and a fixed screen, it's a heck of a deal.
However, 30% more resolution, cleaner high ISO files, vario LPF, EyeAF, Faster AF (with Phase Detect), and built-in EVF are reasons enough to get the new Mark II.
p.20 #18 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
Fred Miranda wrote:
Tough call for those considering their first RX1.
It's not a tough call for me. I rented the original RX1 and took it on a business trip to NY. I loved the images, but found that adding the accessory EVF ruined the size advantage for me and putting it on and off was a pain. I've been eagerly awaiting version 2.0 with the pop up EVF.
For those comparing the RX1Rii to the Leica Q, the Q is almost as big as an M. If you're going to go that big, why not get a Leica M and use a 28 Cron and also have the ability to change lenses?
Sony could have put a rangefinder style EVF on the RX1Rii if they made the camera larger, but to me that would have defeated the gestalt of the camera. To me the design of the pop up EVF in the RX100 and RX1Rii was a great design solution allowing them to keep the size of the camera with the EVF (and tilting LCD) almost the same as the size of the original.
p.20 #19 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
I'm certainly as tempted as anyone for the new one, but, honestly, for the type of stuff I shoot with my RX1 I don't need the resolution.
I use it basically as a vacation/family snapshot type camera, and its flat out amazing for those mid distance shots wide open, with a family member or two filling the frame. I mean just gorgeous rendering.
I actually quite like a bit of fill-flash ability for these shots too, and with a leaf shutter, its awesome how you can actually have a tiny little pop-up be able to compete with the sun.
For those type of shots though, even 24meg is sort of overkill. One can of course do nice landscapes and such with the camera as well, and the across the frame sharpness is great, but if I wanted to shoot a landscape, I'd probably just use the 16-35/4 or 35/2.8 FE on the A7rII. Obviously for the resolution advantage compared to the RX1, but even with the new model, I'd probably still use the Alpha, just used to it.
I guess as I'm thinking as I type this out, I'd honestly of been in favor of keeping the 24meg sensor, adding faster AF, and the pop-up EVF and pricing it cheaper.
I've shot the RX1 on and off for a few years now, and there have been lots of things I wish it had at one point or another, but NEVER have I looked at the files and wished for more resolution
p.20 #20 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
Fred Miranda wrote:
My first Sony camera was the A7R and I've never tried the RX1. I just rented one and should get it next week. I will try my best to see if I can live with its shortcomings because it's about 1/3 the price (used) of the new one. The consensus it that the lens is what makes the RX1 so great, so if one can live with slower/hunting AF in low light and a fixed screen, it's a heck of a deal.
However, 30% more resolution, cleaner high ISO files, vario LPF, EyeAF, Faster AF (with Phase Detect), and built-in EVF are reasons enough to get the new Mark II.
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i think it's mostly a matter of what and how you shoot. there's no real image quality complaint with the rx1, though more pixels are always nice for landscape. better usability for different types of shooting is the main advantage of the new version.
