p.11 #1 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
joshinthecity wrote:
Most (not all) of the people complaining about price, never had the previous version.
Once you've own an RX1R, it never seems expensive again.
I politely disagree. I had one and thought it was a fine camera, but AF speed was too slow, the EVF took long to activate (and would make me lose shots). I loved the files, I loved the EVF image quality and the robustness of the camera itself.
Still, as a street and travel camera, I kept the Fuji X100S and sold the Sony. The Sony wasn't worth the extra money to me.
Once in a while, I look to see the prices of used RX1 because I might very well pick one up again. I admit there are few cameras that have had that kind of appeal to me, and none of the others are digital.
The new one is again too expensive for my taste and over time I've found out that I don't really like EVFs on the side, (one reason I actually don't use the Fuji much) and prefer a DSLR-style body. So, this pop-up EVF, while apparently clever, doesn't appeal to me.
In the meantime, we also have the A7R II and two choices of 35mm lenses (three if you count the Loxia), so while this is undoubtedly still a nice camera, its not the unique product its predecessor was. And as an entry price for that f/2 lens, it's a pretty penny.
p.11 #2 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
Want very very badly, but I still would rather have a A7 II with a sensibly priced 35/2 AF. $3200 is a lot of money for a camera, in my world.
Probably will never get a chance to own one, since Sony held RX1(R) prices steady for most of its life.
Maybe I'll rent one to see if it actually performs well by my criteria. Odds are, given my previous bad experiences with mirrorless cameras, I'll still find it lacking.
p.11 #3 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
Dave McGaughey wrote:
Want very very badly, but I still would rather have a A7 II with a sensibly priced 35/2 AF. $3200 is a lot of money for a camera, in my world.
Probably will never get a chance to own one, since Sony held RX1(R) prices steady for most of its life.
Maybe I'll rent one to see if it actually performs well by my criteria. Odds are, given my previous bad experiences with mirrorless cameras, I'll still find it lacking.
Steady? I paid $1700 ish and sold for close to the same. But $1700 was nowhere near its initial price!
p.11 #4 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
My immediate response was to lust after this new camera, and I may still decide for it, but owning an X100S I'm not really sure what I would gain for my particular type of photography - street and environmental portraiture.
Yes, there are more MP, but other than for extreme cropping do I really need them? Yes, it is a FF 35mm (actually 32mm?) which means f2 is really f2, with its shallower DOF - very nice. Yes, the lens is said to be superb, but for my eyes the Fuji 23/f2 is no slouch.
I prefer the overall form of the Fuji - shorter lens, taller body, making a slimmer package. I also like the OVF in the Fuji.
What does excite me is the flip up screen, and the possibility of using it as a very modern and extremely portable and petite version of my old Rolleiflex - cropping to square, with no real loss of resolution. I think the lens, when so cropped, would be roughly equivalent to the Zeiss 80mm f 2.8, though with not quite such shallow DOF.
I could also use an A7RII with my Summilux asph 35/1.4 and crop to square (any corner problems gone!!), get more or less the same FOV and DOF, AND use other lenses, all at the expense of a bulkier package, although I would also loose the Eye focus facility (unless I use the Zeiss FE 35/2.8 and loose more DOF control) - decisions, decisions.
I think what I really want is a Leica Q, with an excellent pancake 40/2 and a flip up touch screen and effective eye focus. Leica?
p.11 #5 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
This looks like a good update for many people, and frankly one I thought we'd never see. Personally, though, I'd prefer the original RX1/R body with the improved AF and 42 MP sensor of the RX1R II. Perhaps the pop-up EVF on the RX1R II will be better, but I've tried the pop-up EVF on the RX100 and found it less than satisfying, and not as nice as the add-on EVF for the RX1 -- which I use 99% of the time. Part of the reason for that is I am a left-eye shooter, and the center raised position of the RX1 EVF works much better for me. Also, while I'm not a big fan of flash, the built-in flash of the RX1 is useful for fill. With the RX1R II, I would probably feel compelled to always carry a small accessory flash that almost surely would be larger than the RX1 EVF.
p.11 #6 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
wolfloid wrote:
What does excite me is the flip up screen, and the possibility of using it as a very modern and extremely portable and petite version of my old Rolleiflex - cropping to square, with no real loss of resolution. I think the lens, when so cropped, would be roughly equivalent to the Zeiss 80mm f 2.8, though with not quite such shallow DOF.
+1 This!
With that articulating rear screen, silent leaf shutter and, imo, the most silky shutter release of any camera ever made PLUS a cropped square that still gives you 28MP's, I think this camera may appeal to a lot of classic square users.
p.11 #9 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
Matt Grum wrote:
We haven't had enough iterations of either full frame fixed lens or full frame mirrorless to draw any conclusions. The first A7 bodies were all replaced relatively quickly, but with fairly substantial upgrades, it would be very difficult to repeat this feat next year. I think Sony were just desperate to strike while the iron was hot.
Realistically what could Sony offer in an updated A7RIII to tempt people into upgrading? Faster AF... fix a few software quirks, dual card slots, maybe a better viewfinder. That wouldn't be enough for me, whereas the mark II fixed some more glaring problems with the original A7R.
I fear people holding out for the III versions which they assume are coming next year are going to be disappointed. I think after the initial trial balloon of the first A7/R/S Sony will fall into a more standard release schedule. ...Show more →
The fact that the upgrades were so substantial in Gen 2 is what makes me suspicious. They had years to pull together Gen 1 while testing the waters with the NEX and all they came up with was a (slightly) larger E body with A menus and two well-used sensors with very mature tech and production. Then in a single year they come up with an IBIS system, an entirely new sensor using BSI for the first time above cell phone size (IIRC?), and some fairly killer on-sensor PDAF tech?
I hadn't considered the idea of looking at Gen 1 as actually Gen 0.5 (beta) and Gen 2 as actually Gen 1. That's a very compelling possibility since Sony themselves have said they weren't expecting the popularity of the system. It would also explain why far more R&D seemed to go into the current ones. Hopefully you're right about what that implies for the release timing of the next ones.
p.11 #11 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
Lee Saxon wrote:
The fact that the upgrades were so substantial in Gen 2 is what makes me suspicious. They had years to pull together Gen 1 while testing the waters with the NEX and all they came up with was a (slightly) larger E body with A menus and two well-used sensors with very mature tech and production. Then in a single year they come up with an IBIS system, an entirely new sensor using BSI for the first time above cell phone size (IIRC?), and some fairly killer on-sensor PDAF tech?
The way I see it they had no idea whether people would buy into the idea of a full frame NEX at all as there was nothing like it on the market. They weren't going to invest the time and R&D into the IBIS system for one without this knowledge. When the sales outstripped their forecasts they accelerated work on the next iteration and increased the price point they were aiming for accordingly.
I think the sensor development is done by a different team and is somewhat independent of cameras, they were always going to develop technologies such as large BSI sensors and on-sensor PDAF to sell to others.
Lee Saxon wrote:
I hadn't considered the idea of looking at Gen 1 as actually Gen 0.5 (beta) and Gen 2 as actually Gen 1. That's a very compelling possibility since Sony themselves have said they weren't expecting the popularity of the system. It would also explain why far more R&D seemed to go into the current ones. Hopefully you're right about what that implies for the release timing of the next ones.
I think that's the only explanation that makes sense to me, and it's why I went for the A7RII sooner rather than later.
p.11 #12 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
Lee Saxon wrote:
I hadn't considered the idea of looking at Gen 1 as actually Gen 0.5 (beta) and Gen 2 as actually Gen 1. That's a very compelling possibility since Sony themselves have said they weren't expecting the popularity of the system.
I think this is likely to be right. This is a luxury item rather than a full featured workhorse and so isn't the immediate product I'd think of succeeding as a consumer electronics company fixed on toppling one of the top two camera manufacturers. Even Nikon messed it up with their DF.
While I'd never spend this much money on a camera that couldn't be my 'main' camera, I have to applaud Sony for making it. An a7rII sensor with an amazing 35mm lens in a form factor smaller than an X100 is a compelling combination.
p.11 #13 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
While I am probably going to get this camera, I am struck by the price relative to the Leica Q. The Q goes for some 20% more (sticker price in France). But, for that, you get in-body stabilisation, plus a wider and faster lens, and 4K video, and you give away some resolution. Which means that you aren't paying nearly as much for the "red dot factor" as ever before. Leica bringing the price of the Q down a bit, and Sony commanding high prices has brought both of them on a price convergence I thought I'd never see. Let's hope that it is also the case tomorrow with the SL.
p.11 #14 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
Jonathan F wrote:
The Fuji X100/S/T has a leaf shutter, built-in OVF/EVF, universal hot shoe, in-camera ND filter and is capable of shooting flash/strobes at fast shutter speeds at a fraction of the price of RX1 I/II. Though it's an APS-C sensor and only 16mp.
Yes, I accidentally left this out. I tried the Fuji X100s but found I preferred a zoom lens to go with the low-resolution sensor. At 16mp, there is not much room for croppng or digital zoom especially since I have standardized on 20"x30" print size over the past several years. The 1" cameras with zoom lenses are giving me better results. I think the Fuji would be an excellent choice for balanced fill flash for people printing in smaller sizes up to 13" x 19". And it indeed fits in a jacket pocket.
p.11 #16 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
As much as I would love to have a tilting screen in my RX1R,
I agree about the resolution, I think I prefer those gorgeous 24MP.
It's proven to create stunning images and I don't think I need anything "betterer"...
p.11 #17 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
DougDolde wrote:
But my main concern relates to shooting handheld as this super small camera is obviously made for handheld shooting.
I don't see how you are going to get tack sharp images with a 40+ megapixel sensor unless you put it on a tripod.
Faster shutter speeds?
I've seen this type of comment with every resolution bump since 11 mp. All I can say is I have no problem getting tack sharp images hand holding 24 mp aps-c sensors which obviously have higher pixel density.
