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p.71 #2Zeiss Unveils the Loxia 21mm f/2.8
digital_AM wrote:
Some of my favorites from a trip to Maui. All were taken with the Loxia 21. Simply brilliant lens.
Different composition and edit of a Milky Way image I shared a few weeks ago
https://c1.staticflickr.com/8/7018/26649287344_a82b1ab932_b.jpg
https://c3.staticflickr.com/8/7568/26887929410_d7a99e92fa_b.jpg
https://c7.staticflickr.com/8/7280/27051777366_0d4183279b_b.jpg
https://c7.staticflickr.com/8/7747/26412976934_79ac6e4a33_b.jpg
https://c1.staticflickr.com/8/7391/26948044496_7faeee23b0_b.jpg
https://c5.staticflickr.com/8/7511/26949217476_5965037ce3_b.jpg
Love this set!
Jun 03, 2016 at 06:35 AM
p.71 #3Zeiss Unveils the Loxia 21mm f/2.8
digital_AM wrote:
Some of my favorites from a trip to Maui. All were taken with the Loxia 21. Simply brilliant lens.
Different composition and edit of a Milky Way image I shared a few weeks ago
https://c1.staticflickr.com/8/7018/26649287344_a82b1ab932_b.jpg
Great set of images!
Jun 03, 2016 at 07:05 AM
p.71 #4Zeiss Unveils the Loxia 21mm f/2.8
This lens shares the flare performance with its big brother. That is to say, both are just average if not outright bad against the setting sun. Yesterday had to compose the image in a way to avoid most flares instead of optimal perspective...
And, I got the ghost sunstar as well like I posted earlier.
Zony 16-35/4 is better with flare control.
And, I got the ghost sunstar as well like I posted earlier.
Zony 16-35/4 is better with flare control.
Jun 06, 2016 at 03:33 AM
p.71 #5Zeiss Unveils the Loxia 21mm f/2.8
MJKoski wrote:
This lens shares the flare performance with its big brother. That is to say, both are just average if not outright bad against the setting sun. Yesterday had to compose the image in a way to avoid most flares instead of optimal perspective...
And, I got the ghost sunstar as well like I posted earlier.
Zony 16-35/4 is better with flare control.
From my experience with the Loxia 21 I have a hard time believing that.
Looking forward to sample images.
This lens shares the flare performance with its big brother. That is to say, both are just average if not outright bad against the setting sun. Yesterday had to compose the image in a way to avoid most flares instead of optimal perspective...
And, I got the ghost sunstar as well like I posted earlier.
Zony 16-35/4 is better with flare control.
From my experience with the Loxia 21 I have a hard time believing that.
Looking forward to sample images.
Jun 06, 2016 at 03:39 AM
p.71 #6Zeiss Unveils the Loxia 21mm f/2.8
Will post later today. Anyone who has used classic distagon 21mm knows the lens is not good against the sun. This is not any different.
Meanwhile, let us have a look at the classic distagon flare performance. These are from my old archives, taken without filters (which will amplify the damage).
Large green flare blobs
http://mjkoski.1g.fi/kuvat/Landscapes/Pyh%C3%A4-Luosto/noitatunturi_fell_peak.jpg/_full.jpg
XL red flares on the bottom of the image
http://mjkoski.1g.fi/kuvat/Landscapes/Tampere+and+Hervanta/_MG_2181_mk2.jpg/_full.jpg
Image ruined by flare
http://mjkoski.1g.fi/kuvat/Miscellaneous/trash/_MG_2796_srgb_capture_one.jpg/_full.jpg
Large flare against extremely bright flashlight. It would normally be yellow/red but Sony has transformed the color into greenish tone.
http://mjkoski.1g.fi/kuvat/Miscellaneous/trash/_DSC0129.jpg/_full.jpg
I have used the 21mm distagon for 6 years and very rarely point it against very bright light sources. It cannot handle them. Same goes for Loxia.
Meanwhile, let us have a look at the classic distagon flare performance. These are from my old archives, taken without filters (which will amplify the damage).
Large green flare blobs
http://mjkoski.1g.fi/kuvat/Landscapes/Pyh%C3%A4-Luosto/noitatunturi_fell_peak.jpg/_full.jpg
XL red flares on the bottom of the image
http://mjkoski.1g.fi/kuvat/Landscapes/Tampere+and+Hervanta/_MG_2181_mk2.jpg/_full.jpg
Image ruined by flare
http://mjkoski.1g.fi/kuvat/Miscellaneous/trash/_MG_2796_srgb_capture_one.jpg/_full.jpg
Large flare against extremely bright flashlight. It would normally be yellow/red but Sony has transformed the color into greenish tone.
http://mjkoski.1g.fi/kuvat/Miscellaneous/trash/_DSC0129.jpg/_full.jpg
I have used the 21mm distagon for 6 years and very rarely point it against very bright light sources. It cannot handle them. Same goes for Loxia.
Jun 06, 2016 at 05:13 AM
p.71 #7Zeiss Unveils the Loxia 21mm f/2.8
Hm, strange. From my (short) experience with the Loxia 21 it is one of the best wide angle lenses for shooting against the sun. In my opinion it is much better than the classical Distagon 21mm (and the Batis 18mm).
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Jun 06, 2016 at 10:33 AM
p.71 #8Zeiss Unveils the Loxia 21mm f/2.8
Maybe my camera is broken again or sun is flawed in this region?
Jun 06, 2016 at 10:59 AM
p.71 #9Zeiss Unveils the Loxia 21mm f/2.8
The first generation A7 was worse for sensor reflections. Perhaps that is a factor in what people are seeing, or not seeing.
Jun 06, 2016 at 11:34 AM
p.71 #10Zeiss Unveils the Loxia 21mm f/2.8
timde wrote:
The first generation A7 was worse for sensor reflections. Perhaps that is a factor in what people are seeing, or not seeing.
I took some examples just now, A7m2 with Loxia 21 and Zeiss UV filter.
First one, strange green dots:
https://500px.com/photo/157445537/loxia-21-flare-examples-by-tim-rule
Second one, the green dot in this one is caused by the UV filter:
https://500px.com/photo/157445539/loxia-21-flare-examples-by-tim-rule
Not sure if that's good or bad. I've had similar from my Batis 25, especially the green dot which is coming from the attached filter in that case as well.
The first generation A7 was worse for sensor reflections. Perhaps that is a factor in what people are seeing, or not seeing.
I took some examples just now, A7m2 with Loxia 21 and Zeiss UV filter.
First one, strange green dots:
https://500px.com/photo/157445537/loxia-21-flare-examples-by-tim-rule
Second one, the green dot in this one is caused by the UV filter:
https://500px.com/photo/157445539/loxia-21-flare-examples-by-tim-rule
Not sure if that's good or bad. I've had similar from my Batis 25, especially the green dot which is coming from the attached filter in that case as well.
Jun 06, 2016 at 01:28 PM
p.71 #11Zeiss Unveils the Loxia 21mm f/2.8
timde wrote:
The first generation A7 was worse for sensor reflections. Perhaps that is a factor in what people are seeing, or not seeing.
I agree. There are issues with flare and reflections with the A7 body. Even the L21 sunstar looks funky on it.
I can shoot straight into the sun with no flare with the Loxia 21 (A7R and A7RII). Here are two samples:
The first generation A7 was worse for sensor reflections. Perhaps that is a factor in what people are seeing, or not seeing.
I agree. There are issues with flare and reflections with the A7 body. Even the L21 sunstar looks funky on it.
I can shoot straight into the sun with no flare with the Loxia 21 (A7R and A7RII). Here are two samples:
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Jun 06, 2016 at 01:34 PM
p.71 #12Zeiss Unveils the Loxia 21mm f/2.8
Fred Miranda wrote:
The first generation A7 was worse for sensor reflections.
Were sensor reflections an issue with the A7R as well?
The first generation A7 was worse for sensor reflections.
Were sensor reflections an issue with the A7R as well?
Jun 06, 2016 at 01:52 PM
p.71 #13Zeiss Unveils the Loxia 21mm f/2.8
Fred Miranda wrote:
... Here are two samples:
Off topic, but man, Fred, that second shot is absolutely fantastic! Looks almost like an alien planet or a mix of Mars and Earth! Where is that?! Bravo!
... Here are two samples:
Off topic, but man, Fred, that second shot is absolutely fantastic! Looks almost like an alien planet or a mix of Mars and Earth! Where is that?! Bravo!
Jun 06, 2016 at 02:19 PM
p.71 #14Zeiss Unveils the Loxia 21mm f/2.8
Looks like Death Valley Zimbreski point.
May have spelled that wrong
May have spelled that wrong
Jun 06, 2016 at 02:47 PM
p.71 #15Zeiss Unveils the Loxia 21mm f/2.8
Right, here is a one from sunday. Did they forget coatings from my copy?
http://mjkoski.1g.fi/kuvat/Miscellaneous/trash/_DSC3971.jpg/_full.jpg
No filters. Shadows and levels boosted to show the effect, otherwise "linear" conversion from LR. But here is the thing, I was shooting from ground level and the sun is quite at a different angle than Fred's samples. Also, there was no cloud cover in front of the like there is a slight veil of clouds in Fred's photos. This Zeiss design becomes problematic when sun is positioned near or at the edges or the photo.
http://mjkoski.1g.fi/kuvat/Miscellaneous/trash/_DSC3971.jpg/_full.jpg
No filters. Shadows and levels boosted to show the effect, otherwise "linear" conversion from LR. But here is the thing, I was shooting from ground level and the sun is quite at a different angle than Fred's samples. Also, there was no cloud cover in front of the like there is a slight veil of clouds in Fred's photos. This Zeiss design becomes problematic when sun is positioned near or at the edges or the photo.
Jun 06, 2016 at 04:08 PM
p.71 #16Zeiss Unveils the Loxia 21mm f/2.8
MJKoski wrote:
Right, here is a one from sunday. Did they forget coatings from my copy?
http://mjkoski.1g.fi/kuvat/Miscellaneous/trash/_DSC3971.jpg/_full.jpg
No filters. Shadows and levels boosted to show the effect, otherwise "linear" conversion from LR. But here is the thing, I was shooting from ground level and the sun is quite at a different angle than Fred's samples. Also, there was no cloud cover in front of the like there is a slight veil of clouds in Fred's photos. This Zeiss design becomes problematic when sun is positioned near or at the edges or the photo.
Is that from a A7RII?
Right, here is a one from sunday. Did they forget coatings from my copy?
http://mjkoski.1g.fi/kuvat/Miscellaneous/trash/_DSC3971.jpg/_full.jpg
No filters. Shadows and levels boosted to show the effect, otherwise "linear" conversion from LR. But here is the thing, I was shooting from ground level and the sun is quite at a different angle than Fred's samples. Also, there was no cloud cover in front of the like there is a slight veil of clouds in Fred's photos. This Zeiss design becomes problematic when sun is positioned near or at the edges or the photo.
Is that from a A7RII?
Jun 06, 2016 at 04:25 PM
p.71 #18Zeiss Unveils the Loxia 21mm f/2.8
Something is odd with your set-up I think--I have an a7rII, no filter and a loxia 21 and I often shoot right into a light source for the beautiful sun stars...I don't even use a hood or anything. Have you tried the Loxia on a different body? Not a moded camera right? Not sure if that affect it.
Jun 06, 2016 at 05:44 PM
p.71 #19Zeiss Unveils the Loxia 21mm f/2.8
Nothing else comes to mind other than there is some big 'ol dusty inside the lens interfering with the optical path. Have to inspect against light.
Jun 06, 2016 at 06:07 PM
p.71 #20Zeiss Unveils the Loxia 21mm f/2.8
MJKoski wrote:
Right, here is a one from sunday. Did they forget coatings from my copy?
http://mjkoski.1g.fi/kuvat/Miscellaneous/trash/_DSC3971.jpg/_full.jpg
No filters. Shadows and levels boosted to show the effect, otherwise "linear" conversion from LR. But here is the thing, I was shooting from ground level and the sun is quite at a different angle than Fred's samples. Also, there was no cloud cover in front of the like there is a slight veil of clouds in Fred's photos. This Zeiss design becomes problematic when sun is positioned near or at the edges or the photo.
what aperture? looks like you shot it wide open. try f/12 to get some nice sunstars
Right, here is a one from sunday. Did they forget coatings from my copy?
http://mjkoski.1g.fi/kuvat/Miscellaneous/trash/_DSC3971.jpg/_full.jpg
No filters. Shadows and levels boosted to show the effect, otherwise "linear" conversion from LR. But here is the thing, I was shooting from ground level and the sun is quite at a different angle than Fred's samples. Also, there was no cloud cover in front of the like there is a slight veil of clouds in Fred's photos. This Zeiss design becomes problematic when sun is positioned near or at the edges or the photo.
what aperture? looks like you shot it wide open. try f/12 to get some nice sunstars
Jun 06, 2016 at 07:51 PM