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p.32 #1Zeiss Unveils the Loxia 21mm f/2.8
Thanks Fred busy looking as i type.
Further though on my other question, any connection issues between body iv and lens causing it to black out?
Further though on my other question, any connection issues between body iv and lens causing it to black out?
Feb 04, 2016 at 12:15 AM
p.32 #2Zeiss Unveils the Loxia 21mm f/2.8
Thanks Fred! Everything I see makes me think so.
Fred Miranda wrote:
tsdevine wrote
Popflash, but it went to out of stock after I ordered. I think the latest batch is being delivered, and it's probably limited quantity spread around to all the dealers.-Tim
lcd32bit wrote
Where'd you find the Loxia in stock? Mine's still backordered from B&H since Nov.Feb 04, 2016 at 04:32 AM
p.32 #3Zeiss Unveils the Loxia 21mm f/2.8
JocoFoto wrote:
Second I remember Samuli complaining about small barrel sizes causing ugly bokeh in the corners in Zeiss 'classic' lenses - considering the diminutive size of the Loxia I expect it here too.
That's not as simple as "small barrel size" though. It's barrel size relative to diaphram size and related to position of entrance pupil, as I understand it. The cat's eye is pretty bad on the huge Milvus 50/1.4 and even worse on the even huger Otus 55, for example.
Second I remember Samuli complaining about small barrel sizes causing ugly bokeh in the corners in Zeiss 'classic' lenses - considering the diminutive size of the Loxia I expect it here too.
That's not as simple as "small barrel size" though. It's barrel size relative to diaphram size and related to position of entrance pupil, as I understand it. The cat's eye is pretty bad on the huge Milvus 50/1.4 and even worse on the even huger Otus 55, for example.
Feb 04, 2016 at 09:14 PM
p.32 #4Zeiss Unveils the Loxia 21mm f/2.8
Hi everyone, I just got my Loxia 21 and noticed that the "hard stop" at infinity is actually just slightly past infinity. Infinity focus is just a touch before the ring stops. Is this normal or is anyone else having this issue? I'm thinking about exchanging it except I'll have to go back on a waitlist. One of the reasons I liked this lens was true hard stop infinity so I could set it in pitch black and not think about it. Thanks!
Feb 05, 2016 at 08:33 PM
p.32 #5Zeiss Unveils the Loxia 21mm f/2.8
Nope stop it is very normal. It's designed that way like many lenses . Reason being in warm climates you get heat thermals from ground and air and this affects focus. No worries you lens is fine
Feb 05, 2016 at 08:52 PM
p.32 #6Zeiss Unveils the Loxia 21mm f/2.8
Thanks, Guy! That makes a lot of sense. I'm pretty new to the world of manual focus lenses.
Feb 05, 2016 at 08:56 PM
p.32 #7Zeiss Unveils the Loxia 21mm f/2.8
No problem focusing needs to expand in heat so designers leave room after the infinity mark. Usually happens with long glass because the heat gets condensed. But no your in great shape. I just bought one today myself get it next week.
Feb 05, 2016 at 09:21 PM
p.32 #8Zeiss Unveils the Loxia 21mm f/2.8
GMPhotography wrote:
No problem focusing needs to expand in heat so designers leave room after the infinity mark. Usually happens with long glass because the heat gets condensed. But no your in great shape. I just bought one today myself get it next week.
Funny, every Leica lens I own has a stop and it seems to be spot on from 10 below to 90F: with the Leica bodies.
Having to focus at infinity is a PITA for me with the A7.
The issue you are talking about is moot at 21mm-check me here, but I don't know of any UWAs which purposefully go past infinity. Certainly no Leica or Zeiss UWA lenses do in M mount, and their performance is a benchmark. My big Nikkors the 500/4 and 300/2.8 do go past infinity for the reason you mention but they have an adjustable focus stop which you can set for infinity.
If the Loxia infinity stop really is past infinity, it's pretty weak of them, at least for my way of shooting, no offense.
No problem focusing needs to expand in heat so designers leave room after the infinity mark. Usually happens with long glass because the heat gets condensed. But no your in great shape. I just bought one today myself get it next week.
Funny, every Leica lens I own has a stop and it seems to be spot on from 10 below to 90F: with the Leica bodies.
Having to focus at infinity is a PITA for me with the A7.
The issue you are talking about is moot at 21mm-check me here, but I don't know of any UWAs which purposefully go past infinity. Certainly no Leica or Zeiss UWA lenses do in M mount, and their performance is a benchmark. My big Nikkors the 500/4 and 300/2.8 do go past infinity for the reason you mention but they have an adjustable focus stop which you can set for infinity.
If the Loxia infinity stop really is past infinity, it's pretty weak of them, at least for my way of shooting, no offense.
Feb 05, 2016 at 11:08 PM
p.32 #9Zeiss Unveils the Loxia 21mm f/2.8
^^ Agreed on the hard stop for inifinity. It is much easier for casual shooting to have the hard stop set exactly at inifinty.
I have a CV 90/3.5 LTM that I use together with a custom ground adapter so it hit infinity exactly at the hard stop. I have used it for several years with a Nex6 and now with A7 and it works great in cold or warm temps.
A nice touch for Loxia would have been to have a user adjustable hard stop so you can set to your preference.
I have a CV 90/3.5 LTM that I use together with a custom ground adapter so it hit infinity exactly at the hard stop. I have used it for several years with a Nex6 and now with A7 and it works great in cold or warm temps.
A nice touch for Loxia would have been to have a user adjustable hard stop so you can set to your preference.
Feb 06, 2016 at 12:16 AM
p.32 #10Zeiss Unveils the Loxia 21mm f/2.8
uhoh7 wrote:
Funny, every Leica lens I own has a stop and it seems to be spot on from 10 below to 90F: with the Leica bodies.
Having to focus at infinity is a PITA for me with the A7.
The issue you are talking about is moot at 21mm-check me here, but I don't know of any UWAs which purposefully go past infinity. Certainly no Leica or Zeiss UWA lenses do in M mount, and their performance is a benchmark. My big Nikkors the 500/4 and 300/2.8 do go past infinity for the reason you mention but they have an adjustable...Show more →
yup, it's not really a "feature". only longer telephotos need to worry about temperature change effecting the infinity stop. my guess is that zeiss just knows that the mount tolerances on modern cameras don't allow for a real infinity stop (i've heard the same complaints about their offerings for canikon). should probably blame AF for allowing camera makers to skimp on those tolerances.
GMPhotography wrote
No problem focusing needs to expand in heat so designers leave room after the infinity mark. Usually happens with long glass because the heat gets condensed. But no your in great shape. I just bought one today myself get it next week.Having to focus at infinity is a PITA for me with the A7.
The issue you are talking about is moot at 21mm-check me here, but I don't know of any UWAs which purposefully go past infinity. Certainly no Leica or Zeiss UWA lenses do in M mount, and their performance is a benchmark. My big Nikkors the 500/4 and 300/2.8 do go past infinity for the reason you mention but they have an adjustable...Show more →
yup, it's not really a "feature". only longer telephotos need to worry about temperature change effecting the infinity stop. my guess is that zeiss just knows that the mount tolerances on modern cameras don't allow for a real infinity stop (i've heard the same complaints about their offerings for canikon). should probably blame AF for allowing camera makers to skimp on those tolerances.
Feb 06, 2016 at 01:33 AM
p.32 #11Zeiss Unveils the Loxia 21mm f/2.8
The infinity stop is ever so slightly back and really once you know that I have found it not to be a problem
Feb 06, 2016 at 02:48 PM
p.32 #12Zeiss Unveils the Loxia 21mm f/2.8
As I have aaid before, I have shimmed my adapters to give correct hard infinity stops with all the leica and voigtlander lenses I use on the A7, and also the few short focal length F mount lenses I use.
They have all worked fine on film cameras for decades, and now have worked fine on the A7 for a year, I can't see any reason for the Loxia 21 not to have a proper hard stop, my 21 Elmarit asph works fine like that.
Either its sloppy manufacture or what has been suggested is that the Sony bodies are not that consistent in register.
Gerry
They have all worked fine on film cameras for decades, and now have worked fine on the A7 for a year, I can't see any reason for the Loxia 21 not to have a proper hard stop, my 21 Elmarit asph works fine like that.
Either its sloppy manufacture or what has been suggested is that the Sony bodies are not that consistent in register.
Gerry
Feb 06, 2016 at 04:19 PM
p.32 #13Zeiss Unveils the Loxia 21mm f/2.8
My ZE 15 and ZE 21 didn't have hard stop infinity either, so it's not just a Sony thing. (Or my 5D II had inconsistent registration distance.)
-Tim
Feb 06, 2016 at 04:22 PM
p.32 #14Zeiss Unveils the Loxia 21mm f/2.8
Does anyone know how the LA-EA adapters work with the A mount lenses? Do they have accurate hard infinity stops? Or is that asking too much of af lenses anyway.
Gerry
Gerry
Feb 06, 2016 at 04:49 PM
p.32 #15Zeiss Unveils the Loxia 21mm f/2.8
I've got a copy of the Loxia 21 coming in for review on Tuesday...looking forward to it!
Feb 06, 2016 at 05:20 PM
p.32 #16Zeiss Unveils the Loxia 21mm f/2.8
Adorama tells me mine is still on backorder. I only ordered it on 4 January, though.
Feb 06, 2016 at 05:58 PM
p.32 #17Zeiss Unveils the Loxia 21mm f/2.8
tsdevine wrote:
My ZE 15 and ZE 21 didn't have hard stop infinity either, so it's not just a Sony thing.
Strange... all my ZE lenses had hard stops. Same with the Nikon mount versions.
My ZE 15 and ZE 21 didn't have hard stop infinity either, so it's not just a Sony thing.
Strange... all my ZE lenses had hard stops. Same with the Nikon mount versions.
Feb 07, 2016 at 09:02 PM
p.32 #18Zeiss Unveils the Loxia 21mm f/2.8
It very well could have been my camera then.
-Tim
molson wrote:
tsdevine wrote
My ZE 15 and ZE 21 didn't have hard stop infinity either, so it's not just a Sony thing.Feb 07, 2016 at 09:05 PM
p.32 #19Zeiss Unveils the Loxia 21mm f/2.8
molson wrote:
Strange... all my ZE lenses had hard stops. Same with the Nikon mount versions.
completely accurate ones? i've heard lots of canon people say that theirs focused a tiny bit past infinity. could be cameras like your were the reason for that...
tsdevine wrote
My ZE 15 and ZE 21 didn't have hard stop infinity either, so it's not just a Sony thing.completely accurate ones? i've heard lots of canon people say that theirs focused a tiny bit past infinity. could be cameras like your were the reason for that...
Feb 07, 2016 at 09:39 PM
p.32 #20Zeiss Unveils the Loxia 21mm f/2.8
Got mine Friday Jordan...I think you'll like it. I still can't believe has small it is compared to my ZE.
-Tim
Jman13 wrote:
I've got a copy of the Loxia 21 coming in for review on Tuesday...looking forward to it!
Feb 07, 2016 at 09:41 PM