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p.9 #1Zeiss Milvus are out: new range of DSLR lenses!
The Loxia 21 was presented yesterday at Oberkochen. I know becasue DearSusan has seen samples. Hopefully, there will be pictures on the site today, afetr yesterday's review with pics of the Milvus. DearSusan
Sep 11, 2015 at 02:22 AM
p.9 #2Zeiss Milvus are out: new range of DSLR lenses!
No AF pretty much kills them for me. Too bad, I would have seriously considered the 85/1.4.
Have to hope that the Canon rumors on a new 85 have some substance.
Have to hope that the Canon rumors on a new 85 have some substance.
Sep 11, 2015 at 04:08 AM
p.9 #3Zeiss Milvus are out: new range of DSLR lenses!
from sample, M 50 1.4 has nice bokeh 😭
Sep 11, 2015 at 04:12 AM
p.9 #4Zeiss Milvus are out: new range of DSLR lenses!
kururu wrote:
from sample, M 50 1.4 has nice bokeh 😭
from other shooters, image looks nervous but from lloyd's got none.
from sample, M 50 1.4 has nice bokeh 😭
from other shooters, image looks nervous but from lloyd's got none.
Sep 11, 2015 at 04:17 AM
p.9 #5Zeiss Milvus are out: new range of DSLR lenses!
As I am still in the search of a really great 50, the 1.4 50 mm is very appealing even though it is a bit on the large side. Price? Bargain as compared to Otus but nonetheless an investment. Hmm, tempting thing that 50.
Sep 11, 2015 at 04:47 AM
p.9 #6Zeiss Milvus are out: new range of DSLR lenses!
It looks like Milvus is made in Japan by Cosina.
http://m.dc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/news/20150911_720623.html
( sorry you may need to use Google translate). It says it was co- developed by Zeiss and Cosina.
It makes sense as many are same lens with new jacket. The hood integrated design is nice for not losing hoods, but makes lens chunky, and not to have sacrificial replaceable part.. Personally, I like the old design better. Simple, and it just worked fine, although the lens cap was not great.
Weight is troubling. It increased from CY to Z transition now gained more bulk and weight with Milvus transition. It reminds me of trend in automobiles that every new generation of the same car gets bigger and chunkier ( at least until recently)
50 distafon looks promising. I assume it is much more clinical A+ lens compare to the 'B- with occasional sayonara home run' planar 50 which I loved Despite its short comings.
http://m.dc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/news/20150911_720623.html
( sorry you may need to use Google translate). It says it was co- developed by Zeiss and Cosina.
It makes sense as many are same lens with new jacket. The hood integrated design is nice for not losing hoods, but makes lens chunky, and not to have sacrificial replaceable part.. Personally, I like the old design better. Simple, and it just worked fine, although the lens cap was not great.
Weight is troubling. It increased from CY to Z transition now gained more bulk and weight with Milvus transition. It reminds me of trend in automobiles that every new generation of the same car gets bigger and chunkier ( at least until recently)
50 distafon looks promising. I assume it is much more clinical A+ lens compare to the 'B- with occasional sayonara home run' planar 50 which I loved Despite its short comings.
Sep 11, 2015 at 05:49 AM
p.9 #7Zeiss Milvus are out: new range of DSLR lenses!
Is it just me or does the lower corners of the 2.8 example look weird, quite ugly anyhow.
Sep 11, 2015 at 06:23 AM
p.9 #8Zeiss Milvus are out: new range of DSLR lenses!
joakim wrote:
Is it just me or does the lower corners of the 2.8 example look weird, quite ugly anyhow.
it looks like a bit of motion blur effect was applied at lower corners which obviously was not. Weird indeed.
Im looking forward to direct comparison: Zeiss 50/1.4 vs Sigma 50/1.4 ART
Is it just me or does the lower corners of the 2.8 example look weird, quite ugly anyhow.
it looks like a bit of motion blur effect was applied at lower corners which obviously was not. Weird indeed.
Im looking forward to direct comparison: Zeiss 50/1.4 vs Sigma 50/1.4 ART
Sep 11, 2015 at 06:51 AM
p.9 #9Zeiss Milvus are out: new range of DSLR lenses!
milkod2001 wrote:
it looks like a bit of motion blur effect was applied at lower corners which obviously was not. Weird indeed.
Im looking forward to direct comparison: Zeiss 50/1.4 vs Sigma 50/1.4 ART
Not weird at all. Just too close to the camera to be within the DOF. Either a crop or a bit better composition would have fixed it.
joakim wrote
Is it just me or does the lower corners of the 2.8 example look weird, quite ugly anyhow.Im looking forward to direct comparison: Zeiss 50/1.4 vs Sigma 50/1.4 ART
Not weird at all. Just too close to the camera to be within the DOF. Either a crop or a bit better composition would have fixed it.
Sep 11, 2015 at 07:43 AM
p.9 #10Zeiss Milvus are out: new range of DSLR lenses!
I had a chance to shoot with the Milvus 100 and 35 about a month ago. I gravitated towards the 100 since I love that focal length. A few shots
More at Shooting with the New Zeiss Milvus 100mm
More at Shooting with the New Zeiss Milvus 100mm
Sep 11, 2015 at 08:32 AM
p.9 #11Zeiss Milvus are out: new range of DSLR lenses!
Lee Saxon wrote:
It's still pretty crazy, though, how many times some of these C/Y designs have been rehoused now.
So far there is only 1 Milvus that stems from a Y/C design.
bushwacker wrote:
milvus 50/1.4 = No focus shift!!! ?
this is what Llyod chambers has to say:
The new Milvus designs leap forward into the age of high-res digital sensors by offering far higher performance in every respect: sharpness and contrast at wider apertures, focus shift is banished, violet fringing is absent
Focus shift is not absent but reduced (compared with the old Planar 1.4/50, not compared with Otus). Same with violet fringing etc.
Lee Saxon wrote:
You're saying the 16/13 version used more "regular" glass than the 15/13? That's interesting I hadn't heard that.
That is correct. The newer design has slightly more lateral chromatic aberration.
As to Milvus, I did not see this coming. It may just be a step toward consistency across product lines and improved recognizability of the Zeiss brand. The bird name, the shape. Soon you tell that a lens is Zeiss from some distance.
It's still pretty crazy, though, how many times some of these C/Y designs have been rehoused now.
So far there is only 1 Milvus that stems from a Y/C design.
bushwacker wrote:
milvus 50/1.4 = No focus shift!!! ?
this is what Llyod chambers has to say:
The new Milvus designs leap forward into the age of high-res digital sensors by offering far higher performance in every respect: sharpness and contrast at wider apertures, focus shift is banished, violet fringing is absent
Focus shift is not absent but reduced (compared with the old Planar 1.4/50, not compared with Otus). Same with violet fringing etc.
Lee Saxon wrote:
You're saying the 16/13 version used more "regular" glass than the 15/13? That's interesting I hadn't heard that.
That is correct. The newer design has slightly more lateral chromatic aberration.
As to Milvus, I did not see this coming. It may just be a step toward consistency across product lines and improved recognizability of the Zeiss brand. The bird name, the shape. Soon you tell that a lens is Zeiss from some distance.
Sep 11, 2015 at 09:17 AM
p.9 #12Zeiss Milvus are out: new range of DSLR lenses!
Is the Loxia 21 a Biogon?
Sep 11, 2015 at 09:40 AM
p.9 #13Zeiss Milvus are out: new range of DSLR lenses!
theophilus wrote:
Is the Loxia 21 a Biogon?
Good question. First native 21 prime for FE two years after release, and all we hear about are these big Canikons.
Is the Loxia 21 a Biogon?
Good question. First native 21 prime for FE two years after release, and all we hear about are these big Canikons.
Sep 11, 2015 at 11:03 AM
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uhoh7 wrote:
Good question. First native 21 prime for FE two years after release, and all we hear about are these big Canikons.
I doubt it. I was told by Richard... Zeiss Manager at PhotoPlus in 2013 that the WA Biogons M type lenses would not work well on the sensors of the original A7 series cameras. He said that Zeiss would need to come up with a new design for the sensor.
Rich
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theophilus wrote
Is the Loxia 21 a Biogon?I doubt it. I was told by Richard... Zeiss Manager at PhotoPlus in 2013 that the WA Biogons M type lenses would not work well on the sensors of the original A7 series cameras. He said that Zeiss would need to come up with a new design for the sensor.
Rich
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Sep 11, 2015 at 11:10 AM
p.9 #15Zeiss Milvus are out: new range of DSLR lenses!
Sam_W wrote:
Well, the other thing is that Sony is the underdog that wants to get to the #2 spot. CaNikon currently occupy the #1 and #2 spots, so it's in their interest to keep everyone from making quality AF lenses that work on their bodies.
Whereas Sony wants to climb rapidly, so I would imagine they'd freely share their AF tech with Zeiss in order for Zeiss to make AF lenses for their mounts. Everybody wins, basically. Except CaNikon.
Sony gains something, but Zeiss would stand to gain the most by selling the most lenses overall to everyone, Canon, Nikon, Sony, etc. The proprietary AF of Nikon and Canon benefit Nikon and Canon by making it more difficult for 3rd parties to AF, so more Nikon and Canon lenses are likely to be sold. I suspect Canon and Nikon are more concerned about challenging the high volume, lower cost, 3rd party lenses than the low volume, expensive Zeiss lenses.
EBH
Well, the other thing is that Sony is the underdog that wants to get to the #2 spot. CaNikon currently occupy the #1 and #2 spots, so it's in their interest to keep everyone from making quality AF lenses that work on their bodies.
Whereas Sony wants to climb rapidly, so I would imagine they'd freely share their AF tech with Zeiss in order for Zeiss to make AF lenses for their mounts. Everybody wins, basically. Except CaNikon.
Sony gains something, but Zeiss would stand to gain the most by selling the most lenses overall to everyone, Canon, Nikon, Sony, etc. The proprietary AF of Nikon and Canon benefit Nikon and Canon by making it more difficult for 3rd parties to AF, so more Nikon and Canon lenses are likely to be sold. I suspect Canon and Nikon are more concerned about challenging the high volume, lower cost, 3rd party lenses than the low volume, expensive Zeiss lenses.
EBH
Sep 11, 2015 at 06:26 PM
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p.9 #16Zeiss Milvus are out: new range of DSLR lenses!
nntnam wrote:
The new 1.4/50 looks much sharper but still shows lots of CA though.
Could you point out where's the CA you just mentioned ?
The new 1.4/50 looks much sharper but still shows lots of CA though.
Could you point out where's the CA you just mentioned ?
Sep 12, 2015 at 12:18 AM
p.9 #17Zeiss Milvus are out: new range of DSLR lenses!
ryden wrote:
Could you point out where's the CA you just mentioned ?
Hi ryden,
Check the model's hair in this picture: https://www.flickr.com/photos/carlzeisslenses/21266488375/in/photostream/
Could you point out where's the CA you just mentioned ?
Hi ryden,
Check the model's hair in this picture: https://www.flickr.com/photos/carlzeisslenses/21266488375/in/photostream/
Sep 12, 2015 at 05:24 AM
p.9 #18Zeiss Milvus are out: new range of DSLR lenses!
nntnam wrote:
Check the model's hair in this picture: https://www.flickr.com/photos/carlzeisslenses/21266488375/in/photostream/
Do you mean defocus color fringing instead of CA?
Check the model's hair in this picture: https://www.flickr.com/photos/carlzeisslenses/21266488375/in/photostream/
Do you mean defocus color fringing instead of CA?
Sep 12, 2015 at 05:28 AM
p.9 #19Zeiss Milvus are out: new range of DSLR lenses!
Toothwalker wrote:
Do you mean defocus color fringing instead of CA?
Yes, I meant the LoCA. I thought it's one type of CA. Sorry if I caused any confusion.
Do you mean defocus color fringing instead of CA?
Yes, I meant the LoCA. I thought it's one type of CA. Sorry if I caused any confusion.
Sep 12, 2015 at 05:46 AM
p.9 #20Zeiss Milvus are out: new range of DSLR lenses!
EB-1 wrote:
Whereas Sony wants to climb rapidly, so I would imagine they'd freely share their AF tech with Zeiss in order for Zeiss to make AF lenses for their mounts. Everybody wins, basically. Except CaNikon.Sony gains something, but Zeiss would stand to gain the most by selling the most lenses overall to everyone, Canon, Nikon, Sony, etc. The proprietary AF of Nikon and Canon benefit Nikon and Canon by making it more difficult for 3rd parties to AF, so more Nikon and Canon lenses are likely to be sold. I suspect Canon and Nikon are more concerned about challenging the high volume, lower cost, 3rd party lenses than the low volume, expensive Zeiss lenses.
EBH
I think Sony comes out looking worse after this announcement from Zeiss. The clear signal to the market is that if you want the very best, no-compromise Zeiss glass - and the broadest Zeiss lens line - it will continue to be designed natively for Canon and Nikon, not Sony. Mirrorless lenses from Zeiss will be a compromise by comparison - slower lenses with digital correction of distortion required in order to keep the weight down for the smaller mirrorless bodies. Sure, one can mount these lenses on Sony but ultimately I see this move as Zeiss throwing it's weight behind CaNikon (and maybe even acknowledging/ reinforcing CaNikon's 1/2 market position now and in the future).
Sam_W wrote
Well, the other thing is that Sony is the underdog that wants to get to the #2 spot. CaNikon currently occupy the #1 and #2 spots, so it's in their interest to keep everyone from making quality AF lenses that work on their bodies.Whereas Sony wants to climb rapidly, so I would imagine they'd freely share their AF tech with Zeiss in order for Zeiss to make AF lenses for their mounts. Everybody wins, basically. Except CaNikon.
EBH
I think Sony comes out looking worse after this announcement from Zeiss. The clear signal to the market is that if you want the very best, no-compromise Zeiss glass - and the broadest Zeiss lens line - it will continue to be designed natively for Canon and Nikon, not Sony. Mirrorless lenses from Zeiss will be a compromise by comparison - slower lenses with digital correction of distortion required in order to keep the weight down for the smaller mirrorless bodies. Sure, one can mount these lenses on Sony but ultimately I see this move as Zeiss throwing it's weight behind CaNikon (and maybe even acknowledging/ reinforcing CaNikon's 1/2 market position now and in the future).
Sep 12, 2015 at 08:41 AM