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p.2 #1Comparing two moderate wides on A7r2
I'll get in on the act.
I much prefer lens A. It looks sharper and easier on the eye to me. I also thing that the bokeh is creamier too.
I much prefer lens A. It looks sharper and easier on the eye to me. I also thing that the bokeh is creamier too.
Sep 05, 2015 at 01:18 PM
p.2 #2Comparing two moderate wides on A7r2
AGeoJO wrote:
Steve, at 25mm, the Batis is not or should not be considered a moderate wide angle lens. So, it depends on how liberal the OP uses that terminology, I guess 
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Well, I am pretty sure lens A is the FE 35 f/2.8 for a few reasons. First, I cheated and looked at the OPs profile and he has this lens. Second, this is the longer lens, so it is likely to be a 35. Third, by looking at the wide open bokeh even though it is the longer lens it looks to have a bit more depth of field, which suggests it is the slower lens. Fourth, its performance matches what I have seen from that lens: Excellent sharpness in the centre some weakness in the extreme corners, a bit of CA, and bokeh that although it isn't horrible, it isn't all that great either.
So, what is B? It is wider, faster, has better corners, and better bokeh (at least IMO). That sounds like the Batis 25, but maybe it will be the FE 28 f/2 or a MF lens. I wouldn't be all that surprised if it was the FE 28 f/2 -- it is wider and faster and given that it would be stopped down a stop further it might well have better corners and I would have guessed similar bokeh to the 35 f/2.8, but I haven't seen a comparison and these two aren't that different. It certainly wouldn't be that surprising if the 35 f/2.8 was sharper in the centre than the 28 f/2 and that lack of surprise is why I think it is probably the Batis and why the OP may have posted these samples. It will be surprising (at least to me) if the FE 35 f/2.8 is sharper in the centre than the Batis.
Steve Spencer wrote
Well I will make a guess that lens B is the Batis 25, and I think lens A is the FE 35 f/2.8. Both are quite nice lenses and from what I have seen show similar results to what we are seeing here..Well, I am pretty sure lens A is the FE 35 f/2.8 for a few reasons. First, I cheated and looked at the OPs profile and he has this lens. Second, this is the longer lens, so it is likely to be a 35. Third, by looking at the wide open bokeh even though it is the longer lens it looks to have a bit more depth of field, which suggests it is the slower lens. Fourth, its performance matches what I have seen from that lens: Excellent sharpness in the centre some weakness in the extreme corners, a bit of CA, and bokeh that although it isn't horrible, it isn't all that great either.
So, what is B? It is wider, faster, has better corners, and better bokeh (at least IMO). That sounds like the Batis 25, but maybe it will be the FE 28 f/2 or a MF lens. I wouldn't be all that surprised if it was the FE 28 f/2 -- it is wider and faster and given that it would be stopped down a stop further it might well have better corners and I would have guessed similar bokeh to the 35 f/2.8, but I haven't seen a comparison and these two aren't that different. It certainly wouldn't be that surprising if the 35 f/2.8 was sharper in the centre than the 28 f/2 and that lack of surprise is why I think it is probably the Batis and why the OP may have posted these samples. It will be surprising (at least to me) if the FE 35 f/2.8 is sharper in the centre than the Batis.
Sep 05, 2015 at 02:18 PM
p.2 #3Comparing two moderate wides on A7r2
My FE 35 f/2.8 has very good corners @ f/8, so it's hard for me to go along with those saying the first shot is from that lens. I do like the way lens A renders the landscape shots (but lens B is very good too.)
-Tim
Sep 05, 2015 at 02:20 PM
p.2 #4Comparing two moderate wides on A7r2
I think Lens B looks better but it is splitting hairs for the most part. Both look good. Would be nice to see what each looks like with the profile correction from LR applied as I assume most everyone would correct things like the chromatic aberration.
Sep 05, 2015 at 02:34 PM
p.2 #5Comparing two moderate wides on A7r2
As there is still some activity, give me a few minutes and I will post some comparative waterfall shots. By the way, my use of the term moderate was only meant to convey not ultra wide angle. 
Sep 05, 2015 at 02:48 PM
p.2 #6Comparing two moderate wides on A7r2
This is fun. I have the Batis 25 and the FE 35 f/2.8....2 lenses that people have mentioned here. I could believe the 2nd one is the Batis....but then I don't know what the first one is.
-Tim
Sep 05, 2015 at 02:54 PM
p.2 #7Comparing two moderate wides on A7r2
Luvwine wrote:
As there is still some activity, give me a few minutes and I will post some comparative waterfall shots. By the way, my use of the term moderate was only meant to convey not ultra wide angle.
That settles it then. Lens A is Sony FE 28mm f/2.0 and lens B is Zeiss Batis 25mm .
As there is still some activity, give me a few minutes and I will post some comparative waterfall shots. By the way, my use of the term moderate was only meant to convey not ultra wide angle.
That settles it then. Lens A is Sony FE 28mm f/2.0 and lens B is Zeiss Batis 25mm
.Sep 05, 2015 at 03:00 PM
p.2 #8Comparing two moderate wides on A7r2
One is faster than the other...,
AGeoJO wrote:
Luvwine wrote
As there is still some activity, give me a few minutes and I will post some comparative waterfall shots. By the way, my use of the term moderate was only meant to convey not ultra wide angle. .Sep 05, 2015 at 03:24 PM
p.2 #9Comparing two moderate wides on A7r2
Okay, here are some pics I took today. Conditions were drizzly/rainy, so I had to work fast. Not great works of art, tho I like this waterfall. I have not used these focal lengths there before. First is straight out of the camera from lens A then B. Then I did default edits in Lightroom (adjusting down a bit in exposure) and then did some crops. Also, I did the Barn scene straight out of the camera with both lenses at F 5.6 just for color evaluation purposes as they are quite different in color. Hint: They are both different manufacturers.
SOC A then B:
With default edits (with me lowering exposure), A then B:
Center crop: A then B:
Upper Right corner:
Left edge:
Lastly barn scene SOC for color at F5.6
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With default edits (with me lowering exposure), A then B:
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Center crop: A then B:
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Sep 05, 2015 at 03:40 PM
p.2 #10Comparing two moderate wides on A7r2
By the way, I fear the center crop may have been affected by the polarizer. I had a polarizer on each lens for the waterfall shot, but with the rain, I did not have the luxury of fiddling as much as I wanted. Lens B may not have had the polarizer properly oriented and thus there is more water reflection. Sorry bout that.
Sep 05, 2015 at 03:44 PM
p.2 #11Comparing two moderate wides on A7r2
Seems like everyone is assuming native E (FE lens), is that a correct assumption? If not, then it's going to be really tough.
Sep 05, 2015 at 04:15 PM
p.2 #12Comparing two moderate wides on A7r2
There's a Rokinon 24mm f/1.4......could be the FE 28mm and the Rokinon.
-Tim
Sep 05, 2015 at 04:22 PM
p.2 #13Comparing two moderate wides on A7r2
Sorry if this was too tough. One is an FE but one is not. For what it is worth, several have named one of the lenses, but obviously not the other. Someone just let me know if I should go ahead and reveal the answer. I never did say both were native.... Does the SOC color give any clues?
Sep 05, 2015 at 04:28 PM
p.2 #14Comparing two moderate wides on A7r2
You didn't cross post to the alt forum, and you specifically said to not look at your lens list. Which is no problem, and I would imagine those that have the alt lens might be able to pick it by the color. But I wasn't sure to expand my thinking past native. (It's pretty nice we've reached a point where there a few native lanes that could be in play here.)
-Tim
Luvwine wrote:
Sorry if this was too tough. One is an FE but one is not. For what it is worth, several have named one of the lenses, but obviously not the other. Someone just let me know if I should go ahead and reveal the answer. I never did say both were native.... Does the SOC color give any clues?
Sep 05, 2015 at 04:48 PM
p.2 #15Comparing two moderate wides on A7r2
Did not even think about cross posting. I used to be in Alt forum a lot, but not so much sine getting a Sony forum. I guess since I see all sorts of lenses in the "FE" images thread, I thought it would be okay to do it here. 
I like the SOC color at the waterfall from lens A but find it a closer call on the barn shot.
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I like the SOC color at the waterfall from lens A but find it a closer call on the barn shot.
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Sep 05, 2015 at 04:53 PM
p.2 #16Comparing two moderate wides on A7r2
Didn't mean to imply you did anything wrong....I was just using that as a way to try to see if I could figure out what the lenses were. I'm mostly on the Sony forum now too. It's absolutely okay just posting it here.
-Tim
Luvwine wrote:
Did not even think about cross posting. I used to be in Alt forum a lot, but not so much sine getting a Sony forum. I guess since I see all sorts of lenses in the "FE" images thread, I thought it would be okay to do it here.
Sep 05, 2015 at 04:55 PM
p.2 #17Comparing two moderate wides on A7r2
One is the Batis (I think lens B) and the other is an alt 24mm 2.8, either a Canon FD or Olympus would be my guess
Sep 05, 2015 at 05:06 PM
p.2 #18Comparing two moderate wides on A7r2
I could see the B being the Batis, and A being a non-native 28mm (maybe the C/Y 28mm f/2.8 for example.) The apparent field of view seems pretty different for a 24mm vs 25mm.
Sep 05, 2015 at 05:13 PM
p.2 #19Comparing two moderate wides on A7r2
I wouldn't hazard a guess, but I definitely like A better than B. It's sharper in the center (but not the edges) and I prefer A's color and bokeh.
Sep 05, 2015 at 06:02 PM
p.2 #20Comparing two moderate wides on A7r2
Steve's logic makes sense...I guess I have to given in and say that A is the FE 35 f/2.8. I swear my is better in the corners, but I wasn't there shooting so it's hard to say it isn't just the location of the objects in the corners (DoF in the foreground, etc.)
I officially give up.
Sep 05, 2015 at 06:16 PM