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Mark Metternich wrote:
Thank you for the comment Nigel and your perspective.
Yes, as you say, all these places we go are always growing and population rising and more people taking photos. In some ways it is unfortunate (finding remote special locations is harder, or the areas get abuse for example) but I think it is also really cool more people are getting to experience what we have had the greatest privilege of doing liberally. I still absolutely LOVE White Pocket and LOVE having the great privilege of sharing it with other photo enthusiasts. I don't see that waning for quite some time. In fact I will be living near by in a couple weeks and will be able to go out anytime I want, at a drop of a hat, and am literally itching with anticipation! I think I have spent maybe 40-60 total days out here over the years, but still feel I have not even begun to capture its diverse and dazzling beauty. I agree that more and more are coming out there, and at some point in the near future they will have to put in a permit system to protect it. I'm fine with that. It is very unique and special and is becoming in need of protection. Last time I was out there I noticed people had scratched graffiti (their names) in sandstone near by. That really makes me mad!
Glad you have had a great career. Congrats!
No, no where on my website does it say I am not making fine art prints any more. After attempting to pull off a gallery on the LV "strip" during the beginning of the economic downfall, then going bankrupt as a result, and then having a weak economy for a while where fine art took a huge hit, I just naturally shifted toward educational services (workshops, post processing video tutorials, teaching via online Skype and doing post processing for fine art gallery clients). I have always loved teaching, I also love leading etc, so it is all good. I am very happy to do so. But having said that, yes I still sell my fine art prints. In fact next year I have some plans to expand that. As I am sure you know, it is not easy to try to do everything all at the same time. One methodical step at a time... 
As far as workshops being "the only way to make a living these days." I don't see it that way. As just one small example, one of my post processing gallery clients (I do his post processing for galleries) came to me for my post processing services, I encouraged him that he could make a living in gallery work, and he has had another full time job so is very limited in how much time he has or can put into this, made $20,000-$30,000 last year on the side! This is only one small gallery that he does not own. Maybe quite a unique situation, but I know (and do processing for) others as well. I do agree it is not easy! But at least at this point in my journey I do not think impossible. But yes, who knows, maybe next year I will change my mind...
Best to you.
Mark
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Hi Mark,
Yes I misunderstood your remark about making Fine Art Prints. Of course there is a big difference between making Fine Art Prints and actually selling them. But you did post on Facebook that.. and I quote your own post...
"16. No, I do not sell a ton of fine art prints right now. That is not my focus (although that will change in the future with some new gallery plans). I lead Photo Tours/Workshops in between my own personal shooting. I also sell Instructional Video Tutorials." end quote.
If you didn't run workshops and the lessons on Skype... you wouldn't be able to make a living as a Landscape Photographer.. isn't that a fair comment?
The best advertising that a Landscape Photographer can make is not to market one's work to other Landscape Photographers because they aren't your real clients, unless of course you want to market workshops.
I personally would just wish that you would stop using this forum to try and sell your workshops and Skype lessons and over hype your own self importance. I think everyone knows that you run workshops etc, and lets be honest Mark, you wouldn't post here on FM if it weren't for that reason.
It's about time that the MOD's here stood up and stopped this self promotion stuff but I very much doubt that given their record this year.
It's nothing real personal Mark... it's just that I'm so fed up of all the BS that seems to come with photography these days.
Cheers,
Nigel.
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