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p.35 #1 · Announced: Sony A7R II


Looks like they made the back magnesium alloy like the rest of the body.


Jun 15, 2015 at 01:58 PM
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There are fiber-reinforced construction plastics that have better tensile strength and several hundred times higher internal damping than aluminum or magnesium-al alloys. They also have a several times higher impact protection value, because of the internal damping (caused by a non-plastic material flex).

The only thing it does worse is heat conduction.

Plastics aren't a negative when you construct a camera, there are in fact several points in a camera body where any metal (including titanium) is a worse choice. Both for functionality and for durability / destruction stress thresholds.

The only part of a camera body that really needs to be metal (due only a little to rigidity, the main reason is mounting surface tolerances) is the cage that is the connecting backbone of the camera hot parts, i.e from the lens mount to the sensor mount.

But metal "feels" better from a purely self-gratuitous PoV in many cases, except when you actually have to handle the camera in suboptimal conditions - like freezing blizzards, skiing, heavy rain, very dirty/dusty conditions and so on.



Jun 15, 2015 at 04:23 PM
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p.35 #3 · Announced: Sony A7R II


as to the lens mount that has proven to exactly true. the front plane assy on the D7xxx series chassis is polymer. this is where the actual lens mount is attached to as in the image. in addition the D750 is pretty much the same. see image lower











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Jun 15, 2015 at 05:49 PM
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p.35 #4 · Announced: Sony A7R II


Here are some YouTube videos demonstrating autofocus performance with adapted third party lenses, second video goes into more detail about the camera itself:





Hey Fred maybe you could add these to the OP as well?



Jun 15, 2015 at 05:51 PM
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theSuede wrote:
There are fiber-reinforced construction plastics that have better tensile strength and several hundred times higher internal damping than aluminum or magnesium-al alloys. They also have a several times higher impact protection value, because of the internal damping (caused by a non-plastic material flex).

The only thing it does worse is heat conduction.

Plastics aren't a negative when you construct a camera, there are in fact several points in a camera body where any metal (including titanium) is a worse choice. Both for functionality and for durability / destruction stress thresholds.

The only part of a camera body that really needs to be metal
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Oh, the tactile feel of a Hassy makeover of a sony camera is like a wet dream.



Jun 15, 2015 at 06:28 PM
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Regarding the AF demo video: I'd really like to see how it works with a longer lens, like an 85/1.8 or a 70-200. He used the Tamron 15-30 and IMO the video is not convincing. The time when the camera didn't lock AF on people walking by (which was really difficult to tell from the video and one would have to trust that the chirp was correctly focused - it didn't look it), the AF hunt was quite slow. Same when after he focused on the lens cap he then focused on the far wall. It took it a good while to lock. Maybe that lens isn't so fast for AF?

Beni wrote:
I wonder what the lag will be? What's it like on the other bodies with silent shutter, is it instant?


As a 1DX user's point of view, when I used the a7S for a couple weeks, I primarily used it in electronic shutter mode with non-AF lenses. I don't remember there being any lag. I never thought the camera was slow to respond. It might be different with AF, which I used a few times with the a mount adapter that allowed the 85/1.4 to AF. From that I just remember the torque of the AF motor driving the screw drive was so strong that it almost felt like the camera was being twisted out of my hand.



Jun 15, 2015 at 06:34 PM
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I posted this on the other thread but thats not the lens to test. Like to see some longer glass as well 200mm, 135 F2 stuff like that.

I tried the Tammy 15-30 on my A7II a couple weeks ago and that lens focuses kind of weird anyway. Not sure I put much stock in it. If anything we may see better with something else. Was not a good test lens to use. I mean it was slow and thats fine but it hunted pretty bad. Lets wait for some more tests.



Jun 15, 2015 at 07:10 PM
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AGeoJO wrote:
Against popular beliefs, the aperture inside Nikon lenses is still mechanical and it is activated by a lever in the body. I am not sure whether or how adapter manufacturers can design an adapter that includes both a mechanical and electronic portions in the same unit. I am sure it could be done but at what cost? And how much of battery power will be used to achieve this? The battery charge is one of the many negative factors of the A7 series cameras...


Currently, this issue is overcome in many different lenses in many different ways.

Rokinon lenses have both a mechanical aperture lens tab, and electronic contacts that transmit focal length and aperture data, so you can have all EXIF embedded, (except maybe focus distance) and you can even control the aperture from the camera via a dial. The same goes for Pentax-mount Rokinon lenses.

Ironically, Canon-mount Rokinon lenses that have EXIF data transmitting chips are far more rare than "dumb" lenses that simply have a mechanical aperture tab, even though it shouldn't cost them any more than making a Nikon-mount version. Maybe Canon's electronic contacts simply cannot fathom the idea of mechanically controlling the aperture AND transmitting the info to the body. Bummer.

Nikon's older AI-S glass, which have no electronic contacts, simply require that you input the focal length and aperture info into the camera, and then it uses mechanics for both stopping down, and detecting what f-stop you've set on the aperture ring.

Logically, a Metabones adapter could be created that allows for mechanical stop-down of a Nikon-style aperture, and an in-body menu could interface with the Metabones adapter to somehow translate "wide open" to f/2.8, and so on and so forth.

Unfortunately, physically speaking not all Nikon apertures stop down in equal increments, mm by mm, as far as I know, so for example a Canon body that uses an adapter to connect a Nikon D or G lens, cannot figure out how to gauge the info properly.

So yeah, it's probably not entirely possible, but at least some small shred of EXIF could be added, as a slight improvement over the current situation.

Either way, it is still a con in my book, having spent so many years enjoying Nikon's system. And when Nikon does finally deliver a mirrorless system, they might just do it in a way that offers more EXIF data than Sony can, who knows. Maybe that's one of the big hurdles they're trying to overcome as we speak/type... Whether to do it like Sony, and reduce the flange distance so much that almost ANY lens can be adapted, ...or do it like Pentax did, and maintain the same flange distance as a DSLR, to be perfectly compatible with all legacy lenses...



Jun 15, 2015 at 09:54 PM
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p.35 #9 · Announced: Sony A7R II


Nikon teleconverters handle aperture control so I'd expect it would be a similar engineering effort.


Jun 15, 2015 at 10:51 PM
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p.35 #10 · Announced: Sony A7R II


I just don't see Nikon obsoleting all their F-mount lenses by changing the registration distance.

EBH



Jun 15, 2015 at 11:01 PM
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RobCD wrote:
Yes you're right there are fewer reasons to choose the A7R over the D800 although there are some. but the D800 had the 36mp Sony sensor first and the A7RII has a sensor not yet used or possibly available to Nikon. In addition it seems to me that Sony is improving the A7 series faster than Nikon is improving the D8xx series so it could be a matter of time unless Nikon does something unexpected with the next generation D8xx or more likely releases their own full frame mirrorless camera. Whether they are willing to start cannibalizing their own DSLRs
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I wonder if the only reason Nikon hasn't gone FF mirrorless is because it relies on Sony for their sensors. Maybe some sort of agreement to stay out of the FX mirrorless if they can continue to use the sensor for the DSLRs.



Jun 15, 2015 at 11:04 PM
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leetmode wrote:
Here are some YouTube videos demonstrating autofocus performance with adapted third party lenses, second video goes into more detail about the camera itself:





Hey Fred maybe you could add these to the OP as well?



Are these guys for real?

Testing and bragging of the quick auto focus with ultra wide and wide angle lenses?



Jun 16, 2015 at 02:03 AM
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rscheffler wrote:
Regarding the AF demo video: I'd really like to see how it works with a longer lens, like an 85/1.8 or a 70-200. He used the Tamron 15-30 and IMO the video is not convincing. The time when the camera didn't lock AF on people walking by (which was really difficult to tell from the video and one would have to trust that the chirp was correctly focused - it didn't look it), the AF hunt was quite slow. Same when after he focused on the lens cap he then focused on the far wall. It took it a good
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I agree, as much as I want the support for A-mount and EF-mount lenses to be great, so far I am not really convinced that Sony did it.



Jun 16, 2015 at 06:11 AM
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nampramos wrote:
Are these guys for real?

Testing and bragging of the quick auto focus with ultra wide and wide angle lenses?


Of course wide angle lenses are faster to focus, but the point is still easily made. These same lenses focus extremely slowly on the A7 II, and are focusing at close to native speed on the A7R II. Gordon Laing is one of the most thorough camera reviewers around and a very upstanding guy...I very much trust his opinions.



Jun 16, 2015 at 06:37 AM
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Jman13 wrote:
Of course wide angle lenses are faster to focus, but the point is still easily made. These same lenses focus extremely slowly on the A7 II, and are focusing at close to native speed on the A7R II. Gordon Laing is one of the most thorough camera reviewers around and a very upstanding guy...I very much trust his opinions.



So just because the A7 II sucks big time at focusing non-native lenses, this makes it awesome? AFing a 24mm or 30mm lens? Anyone here can focus it at the same speed manually and with a higher keep rate. Someone showing a review or giving his opinion about the focus speed with an UWA or WA should never be taken seriously in my opinion.

If he wants to show the improvement he could at least put a 50mm on it (just cause I don't want to go all crazy and say 85mm or even 135mm).




Jun 16, 2015 at 06:51 AM
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No it doesn't make it awesome, it just makes Canon a giant lens division for Sony

But seriously I dont know if many Canon users will be tempted to switch, this is a big decision with many questions around support, rental lenses etc, but I know 4 pros who shoot Canon and they've all pretty much decided to add a Sony to the arsenal and take it from there. Good AF with Canon lenses was a huge deal, even if there are still questions around exactly how good is good.



Jun 16, 2015 at 06:58 AM
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nampramos wrote:
So just because the A7 II sucks big time at focusing non-native lenses, this makes it awesome? AFing a 24mm or 30mm lens?


Um, it makes it a huge improvement. All existing Sony bodies focus very slowly with Canon lenses on the Metabones. The A7R II in these videos is showing comparatively MUCH faster focus speeds. Does it answer the question of whether it can focus an 85mm or 300mm lens as fast as a Canon body? No, of course not, but it certainly shows that it uses PDAF and uses it quickly.

Gordon says he had the 24mm handy when he had the hands on, and I have no reason to believe he chose it solely because it's faster than another lens. He shoots Micro 4/3 and Fuji for his personal work and is by no means a Sony shill. I know Gordon professionally, and he's a top notch guy whose focus is presenting honest opinions on this stuff, not shilling.

EDIT: I dropped Gordon a note after I posted this and asked him if he'd had a chance to test any other Canon lenses and he said he didn't...only the 24, but he planned on testing a variety with the production version for his review.



Jun 16, 2015 at 07:17 AM
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p.35 #18 · Announced: Sony A7R II


rscheffler wrote:
Regarding the AF demo video: I'd really like to see how it works with a longer lens, like an 85/1.8 or a 70-200. He used the Tamron 15-30 and IMO the video is not convincing. The time when the camera didn't lock AF on people walking by (which was really difficult to tell from the video and one would have to trust that the chirp was correctly focused - it didn't look it), the AF hunt was quite slow. Same when after he focused on the lens cap he then focused on the far wall. It took it a good
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One guy tested a 28-105 zoom (or something similar...)




Jun 16, 2015 at 09:10 AM
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p.35 #19 · Announced: Sony A7R II


Interesting info on the camera, including the fact that the back plate is mag alloy.
http://www.photoclubalpha.com/2015/06/14/sony-a7r-ii-rx10-ii-rx100-iv-making-everything-else-obsolete/



Jun 16, 2015 at 09:39 AM
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saintiwari wrote:
Interesting info on the camera, including the fact that the back plate is mag alloy.
http://www.photoclubalpha.com/2015/06/14/sony-a7r-ii-rx10-ii-rx100-iv-making-everything-else-obsolete/


Interesting about the Canon 1.8. Sounds like there is still some work to be done.
Chris



Jun 16, 2015 at 10:37 AM
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