p.2 #1 · 7dII vs 5DIII can you tell the difference?
Kathy, I think that you are willing to post these images and ask the question answers it. The 7D2 sounds like a worthy upgrade to the 7D.
And thanks Yariman and Shield for the CF write info. Brian at the Digital Picture reports 18 raws on a 5D3 with UDMA-7 card and 13 without. Its nice to hear that I can expect more. My UDMA-7 card is scheduled to arrive today. I was shooting my dogs coursing last weekend and became aware of buffer limits.
p.2 #4 · 7dII vs 5DIII can you tell the difference?
A web sized image will greatly reduce noise and I'm not surprised there's little difference. What about some 100% crops. It looks like the 7D2 is marked improvement on the 7D. Maybe one day I'll swap my 1D4 for one, since they seem to have similar high ISO quality.
p.2 #5 · 7dII vs 5DIII can you tell the difference?
StillFingerz wrote:
Kathy, the EXIF is intact...after three passes without seeing much if any difference...I looked
I know not what Canon has done sensor or processing wise, but the 7D2 implementation has stepped things up. I usually look at faces/skin tones when evaluating indoor sports images and in both the 5D3 and 7D2 images there are very subtle color changes given different lighting, yet both sensors seem to be producing these equally. This is pretty cool stuff
Thank you for posting these images, I'm encouraged with what I'm seeing, even your photographic prowess
Keep shooting, I wish I could capture kids sports so well...
I figured some would look. Still fun that they or you had to look to be sure Jerry, I very much enjoy shooting kids sports. I shoot Football by far the most followed by softball and baseball. I don't think I do any of it well but I keep working at it.
p.2 #6 · 7dII vs 5DIII can you tell the difference?
Thanks for sharing these images. I reckon I am not missing too terribly much, from a technology standpoint, by having a 7D Mark II, while my newest 5D is a "classic."
p.2 #8 · 7dII vs 5DIII can you tell the difference?
Pixel Perfect wrote:
A web sized image will greatly reduce noise and I'm not surprised there's little difference. What about some 100% crops. It looks like the 7D2 is marked improvement on the 7D. Maybe one day I'll swap my 1D4 for one, since they seem to have similar high ISO quality.
Unfortunately I have already cleared the card from the 5DIII. I only have cropped edited images left. When you posted this I hadn't yet cleared the 7DII card.
p.2 #9 · 7dII vs 5DIII can you tell the difference?
Kathy - if you think the 5D3 is slow at sports (which it is) try shooting with only the CF card - it's the SD card that is slow to write. That's what do at airshows (someone on MA2A thread suggested it) and it makes a significant difference)
Niall
p.2 #10 · 7dII vs 5DIII can you tell the difference?
different ISO is kinda missleading but you can clearly see number 3 is a 5DIII. ISO 6400 looks better in FF than in the 7DII, the other ones are quite difficult to guess indeed.
I managed to ignore the camera mention until I finished checking the images, saw it when I went back!
p.2 #11 · 7dII vs 5DIII can you tell the difference?
Web sized pictures will equalize IQ considerably, as previous posters have noted.
IMHO, that last 100% crop proves this point. I regularly shoot karate events with my 5DMIII (in bad lighting) and I get much better results than that at ISO 6400. I'm talking about RAW with no additional NR other than what DPP presets.
That is somewhat to be expected, though. From what I have read, it's hardly a surprise since Canon's sensor technology hasn't advanced that much with the 7DMII. A step in the right direction and an improvement on the 7D for sure, but there is still a somewhat long way to go to match FF IQ (of recent tech).
Having said that, what matters is the purpose for which each photographer will use their photos.
If printing small or using them for web sized presentations/display, then the image will be downsized and the end result will be good (nearly matching FF IQ), which is exactly what you have proven to us with your initial photos. And that is all that matters.
Not everyone will need perfect IQ at 100% viewing size.
I think it's safe to assume that, for the most part, just the people who print very large or crop considerably will be affected by the difference in IQ between these two cameras at high ISO.
Thank you for your time and trouble in posting these.
P.S.
On a side note, I have no problem with shooting my 5DMIII in karate events as long as I use a fast CF card. The buffer also clears very fast.
Slow CF or any SD card and it's a whole different world...
p.2 #12 · 7dII vs 5DIII can you tell the difference?
nrferguson wrote:
Kathy - if you think the 5D3 is slow at sports (which it is) try shooting with only the CF card - it's the SD card that is slow to write. That's what do at airshows (someone on MA2A thread suggested it) and it makes a significant difference)
Niall
Yes, that is what I have been doing when I shoot sports and only shooting jpg. That worked prior to getting the faster cards and since then I haven't really tried it shooting raw on the most part because I mostly shoot outdoor sports like football and baseball and not that much basketball. For daylight sports I shoot so many, sometimes 600 or so for 2 games in a row, so I prefer to shoot jpg anyway so I haven't gone back and tried the raw. It would be helpful for basketball so I am glad to know it will do it.
p.2 #13 · 7dII vs 5DIII can you tell the difference?
Kathy, after using both the 7dmkii and the 5dmkiii in your opinion, if you were going to shot something to print at A3, which camera would you pick up?
p.2 #14 · 7dII vs 5DIII can you tell the difference?
Icee, There are many, many persons on here with alot more knowledge than me on printing but I'm pretty sure either of these cameras would print a A3 or larger.
I really like the 7DII, I like it alot, and will use it for wildlife and sports and perhaps packing around with the gkids. My portraits and low light events, I will shoot with the 5DIII.
p.2 #16 · 7dII vs 5DIII can you tell the difference?
Most of my sports and stage events are in low light and that's why I'm skipping the 7D2. Well, I might replace my 7D with it in the future but I'm sticking with the 1Dx and 5D3 for low light sports even though I'm sometimes reach limited. I shoot night football at 16000 ISO at f2.8 and sometimes add a flash to fill in and improve color. I haven't seen that the 7D2 would handle that very well. It's a nice camera and if my sports, or wildlife, allowed for ISO 800 and under I'd certainly use it, but I'm almost never under ISO 6400 with proper exposures and appropriate shutter speeds.
p.2 #17 · 7dII vs 5DIII can you tell the difference?
Kathy White wrote:
I should probably try it again. It was when the camera was just out that i tried it and learned to just shoot jpg on the CF card and remove the SD card to avoid missing shots waiting for the butter. I know I did not have cards then as fast as I do now,. I now have several of the 1000 x CF cards and I should probably try it. But, I prefer jpg for most sports that I do, and I don't shoot BB that often so it's not been an issue. Most of what I shoot is daytime outdoor football and baseball. I like to do sports posters and with the high ISO's it is just a struggle to get shots that I can blow up enough with the poor lighting in the local gyms. 3 years ago, I do know that my camera would just totally stop due to the buffer. At some point for sports, I just started using the 1000x UDMA 7 cards, and pulling the SD and shooting Jpg. Thanks for correcting me, I would like to be able to shoot raw for BB when needed and probably should have tried it and not just gone from habit. ...Show more →
yes do try it again . I bought a 1000x class card (transcend) so I could shoot last years Moto GP UK round . with the 1000x in the camera I never felt I had to wait for the camera . Usually Id shoot in short bursts (4-10 shots normally) in quick succession as each bike apexed the corner i was shooting . the buffer with the 1000x always had plenty in the tank while when I was shooting my other cards (400x UDMA6) it was very easy to hit the buffer after a couple of bursts .
p.2 #19 · 7dII vs 5DIII can you tell the difference?
Interesting comparison, however everything looks OK @ web size .
No offense intended whatsoever, but the above crop is extremely noisy and OOF - the fine detail and skin color is all gone. Have you tried AF fine tuning and maybe trying to get away with a lower ISO? I don't think the 7D2 is a camera I'd be using at ISO 6400. If the AF and FPS are up to it, I would think the 5DM3 is holding up significantly better at the higher ISO's.
p.2 #20 · 7dII vs 5DIII can you tell the difference?
I was going to say what CanadaMark said. Truthfully, I downloaded your images from this post and none of the image look in focus. OOF images and high ISO are a bad combination and although these look OK at web resolution, I suspect something is wrong with the capture process or the processing. At ISO 6400, I would like to be able to see some eyelash detail as that is one thing I look at. Another is can I see thread detail on the shoes or uniforms. I can't in your images, but that could be due to the fact that you reduced them in size for web viewing, but even then I think they should be at least somewhat visible. A better comparison would be to get some sharp images at those ISOs and compare them.
And ditto about the newer CF speeds. They are very fast, will download to your computer much faster and with the time savings, you can shoot raw and fix the high iso noise better.
The 7D2 sounds like a worthy upgrade to the 7D.
