Very nice man! Do you send out to a professional retoucher or edit yourself?
I've seen this photo around, now it's nice to know who took the shot.
Glad you posted the close-up too was going to comment on the hair, but realize it was just a downsampling issue since your original is probably large and processed that way. This looks way better in print.
Too much photoshopping of a child's skin, and I am not a fan of blown out backgrounds, especially when it causes blown out areas on the subject. Otherwise, nice, sharp shot.
elliotkramer wrote:
Too much photoshopping of a child's skin, and I am not a fan of blown out backgrounds, especially when it causes blown out areas on the subject. Otherwise, nice, sharp shot.
Bro, it's blown out because its high-key for glow effects. You guys here are too caught up in amateur photography man. This dude is a pro look at the hair strands and crap he retouched(or his retoucher).
To the OP, looks awesome! I really want to have my go at hyper-realism edits, but its hard stuff. I like how you didn't go for the high fashion high-key look where everything gets washed. Nice!
These look great. I especially like the soft graduation of shadow on her face and spot on focus. Excellent processing. To the op what does hyper-realistic mean to you? As opposed to realistic.
innovis wrote:
Very nice man! Do you send out to a professional retoucher or edit yourself?
I've seen this photo around, now it's nice to know who took the shot.
Glad you posted the close-up too was going to comment on the hair, but realize it was just a downsampling issue since your original is probably large and processed that way. This looks way better in print.
Thank you. I retouch and post-process myself. Print becomes more objective to the viewers as the internet previews contingent on how calibrated the screen is--color matters so much in how an image renders to your eyes.
elliotkramer wrote:
Too much photoshopping of a child's skin, and I am not a fan of blown out backgrounds, especially when it causes blown out areas on the subject. Otherwise, nice, sharp shot.
Thanks for taking the time to comment. Everything was done intentionally as my job isn't to provide a prom photo or rudimentary-skilled family style photo and except, a more creative process for the employer.
DeeAperture wrote:
Looks really good to me. This is the problem with this place too, they only shoot for their grannies so screw their opinions and dont bother posting here. This is a place for guys who never get any real publishing so they think some professional touchups are overprocessing. My friends, this guy I am positive can shoot what you are talking about. Its called the advertising world and he already explained its hyperrealistic mate.
Unfortunately I have to agree with your observations, but disagree with your message in aggressive tone. Thanks for the compliments.
adventvisuals wrote:
Bro, it's blown out because its high-key for glow effects. You guys here are too caught up in amateur photography man. This dude is a pro look at the hair strands and crap he retouched(or his retoucher).
To the OP, looks awesome! I really want to have my go at hyper-realism edits, but its hard stuff. I like how you didn't go for the high fashion high-key look where everything gets washed. Nice!
Nothing wrong with the community being encapsulated with their normal viewing. I should've known better. Thank you for viewing.
jodo wrote:
These look great. I especially like the soft graduation of shadow on her face and spot on focus. Excellent processing. To the op what does hyper-realistic mean to you? As opposed to realistic.
Let me just explain first, that I am a lead concept artist capable of painting photorealism or anything and photography is one of the few endeavors I possess. For photography, hyper-realistic is when the artistic license allows for a more extreme setup and rendering.
Opposed to realistic, the hairs wouldn't be as silky or strands removed with highlights more pronounced. The skin wouldn't gradate such a falloff or punch skin details to the degree they were.
The clothes wouldn't be as saturated with bloom feathering from the corners of her clothes to invoke that fantasy/ethereal nuance. So you see, hyper-realistic is flirting between the lines of realism and surrealism.
For some, it's art and allows for more experimentation to the creative process that they appreciate.
To others, it's a flaw in technique and then the critiques about overprocessing a child's skin or blown backgrounds/areas ensue...even with the disclaimer that it was the intent.
I am looking to onset my departure from this forums as it lacks the knowledge behind art and appears to cater more to the everyday town photographer--very flat and dry for someone like myself.
A lot of folks here remind me of my early-stage students in that they want to paint the portrait to realism focusing only on techniques(light placement, composition, careful watch to crushing on blacks and clipping of whites), then ironically...to find that it cloys after that aspiration is met and eventually entertain the idea of expressive impressionism once competent enough.
loosh wrote:
Maybe you're right about this forum, but I wouldn't remove a photo because of 1 negative comment. I wish I could have seen the photo.
Oh no no, not at all because of 1 negative comment (that would be childish). In reality, his words weren't negative at all. I just feel my taste reflects differently here and I dare not insult the integrity of the community--everywhere is different and I can respect that.
The removal of the photos has more to do with my egression soon.
I really like the shot and appreciated how you provided some detail by way of crops.
Sorry you were not able to find FM a place worth staying. I imagine this forum has less to offer you than you do it. Your feedback is positive and constructive, and no matter how much of that is going around FM lately, we can always use more.
As one who "lacks the knowledge behind art", I can tell you I am here in large part for just that reason. I am too old and too gainfully employed to pursue a degree in art. I must look at the work of others and decide what kind of 'art' I would like to create. I look at what has happened to my photography since joining Fred Miranda and I like it. (Someday I hope to produce something resembling art.)
I would love to see more of what you do.
my 2c
Greg
HighConcept wrote:
Oh no no, not at all because of 1 negative comment (that would be childish). In reality, his words weren't negative at all. I just feel my taste reflects differently here and I dare not insult the integrity of the community--everywhere is different and I can respect that.
The removal of the photos has more to do with my egression soon.
Dont kid yourself......you got your feelings hurt and removed the photo. Happens to the best of us.
Michaelparris wrote:
Dont kid yourself......you got your feelings hurt and removed the photo. Happens to the best of us.
No, what he did made sense and appeared genuine. If his feelings were hurt, I'm sure he would've defended himself. That was very thoughtful of him taking the high road and leaving constructive criticism along the way.
I think his types are the ones that contribute greatly to a community. After checking out his posts they all seem very helpful and sincere.
He had more people backing him up so I highly doubt that one negative comment could affect him. And concept artists...REAL artists I should say, take criticism A LOT better than we do.
You my friend, are a bully and one to assume for the worst with bad judgment of a person maybe because that's how you would interpret it yourself. Grow up.
innovis wrote:
No, what he did made sense and appeared genuine. If his feelings were hurt, I'm sure he would've defended himself. That was very thoughtful of him taking the high road and leaving constructive criticism along the way.
I think his types are the ones that contribute greatly to a community. After checking out his posts they all seem very helpful and sincere.
He had more people backing him up so I highly doubt that one negative comment could affect him. And concept artists...REAL artists I should say, take criticism A LOT better than we do.
You my friend, are a bully and one to assume for the worst with bad judgment of a person maybe because that's how you would interpret it yourself. Grow up. ...Show more →
Sorry I hurt your feelings. I stand by my statement.
While I thought your images were very good, and comments about a blownout BG or remarks regarding overuse of PS in skin retouching, completely not in keeping with my assessment,I think your taking you ball and going home prognosticates very badly for you as an artist.
So c'mon back, show your (fine) work, and understand that not all observers are going to understand what you're doing with the camera. Many who do understand, won't always stand up on the barstool to applaud. That's how it works for all of us.
Anytime anyone does anything out of the norm of mainstream whatever, there is going to be a group of people who don't like it, and a group who will like it. That's just the way it is, and it really doesn't matter what public forum you're on, that's the way it's going to be.
The critiquing of this image was not that bad. Someone, or two maybe, I don't even know, expressed some things that they didn't like about it. Okay, so what? If their comments don't fit within the realm of your vision, you ignore it. You graciously accept the compliments you receive, and consider the critique (if you're open to it) that you receive that is within the realm of your vision.
But the OP is a bit condescending in how he talks about who this forum caters to (the "everyday town photographer", but I don't really know what a town photographer is). He says we in the forum lacks knowledge about art, and then he likens us to his students. Some of what he says is true. Not many of us are published regularly in National Geographic or Vogue. As for knowledge, I for one don't know much about hyper-realism with photography. Not really my thing, so rather than post a comment, I just moved on to the next post. Not much I could add here, given my lack of knowledge.
For me, there are two bottom lines here. One, if you post a picture here, no matter how gorgeous many of us might think it is, there are going to be detractors. Ask Lisa about that. And two, let's just get along. We have to recognize when someone is open to critique and then offer it in a helpful way with the idea that the OP's style might not be anything like our own.
Michaelparris wrote:
Sorry I hurt your feelings. I stand by my statement.
Only one with their feelings hurt is you bro lol. Notice how you are so quick to attack another person too. Why did you even come back to read this? Yeah...what I thought.
No I don't think he left because of this thread guys and more so what he has been seeing last few weeks and I don't blame him. Clearly this forum has been pretty uncivil lately and you know it too Ron. Why are we even talking about this he is probably already gone.
He left in good fashion, not condescending at all I agree with the guy this place gets all butthurt when someone drops critique these days. And for reasons Ron stated I think that's why he left, because he knows his work might not appeal to us. Town photographers make a lot of sense its like people like you Ron, shooting shots that don't go outside of shooting with natural light or every now and then ocf for fill. It's basic stuff tbh.
If you are reading this highconcept, goto retouchpro dude. They will like your shit there. Your exit was nice. Some people just don't like being told they suck lol.
We talk about it because we're a community, and the community is much bigger than any one photographer, esp one that just joined three weeks ago and decided after get one or two critiques on the only picture he's ever posted, that this isn't a good fit for him. That's fine. But I've seen art that is much more alternative that than get high praise on this forum, even recently.
I'm not sure why you're taking shots at me or the forum.
And where do we get the impression he left because of a bad comment? From what I saw it has been all positive comments. Because he referenced it as an example what happens? I found it informative and truthful. He never once mentioned anything about negative comments or was defensive, not once.
I think everyone is jumping to conclusions way too soon and fighting over nothing. Who is he anyway? Who are you? Who am I for that fact.
You bet'ya every forum will have their good and bad apples. I'm happy for him that he was smart enough to leave with a nice goodbye instead of a middle finger to everyone. I haven't been here long at all. I can see his point maybe because I'm new here?
I think the issue has more to do with him already planning on leaving as well. He didn't seem offended at all nor talked down so lets not be so hasty in putting words into people's mouth or I'll take the plunge too.
I'm 64 and not too sure how old the OP is but I can say he speaks pretty damn wise to me. An artist shouldn't have to sit and display his work to monkeys (not that I'm calling any of you a monkey so don't misconstrue that now too please!)
friscoron wrote:
We talk about it because we're a community, and the community is much bigger than any one photographer, esp one that just joined three weeks ago and decided after get one or two critiques on the only picture he's ever posted, that this isn't a good fit for him. That's fine. But I've seen art that is much more alternative that than get high praise on this forum, even recently.
I'm not sure why you're taking shots at me or the forum.
Hey there, no one is taking shots at you or us. I think you might have some pride and connected to this forum from your posts count.
Why not look from his pov? Maybe he knows better that this isn't his type of community. Like I've said earlier, he didn't seem to show signs of anger. Or is that just me?
. I want to see more!!!