mttran wrote:
I got a headache after reading some of your posts. You all need to see the benefits of more DR sensor, my A7R takes better pictures than my 5D2 and 1Ds2 24hrs a day and I like it. None of current canon FF cam can full fill me on this desire.
mttran and retro -- Okay! We got it. Now you can shut up about Sony and extended DR. We heard you. We just don't care as much as you do and don't find it rewarding financially or for work flow.
Gunzorro wrote:
mttran and retro -- Okay! We got it. Now you can shut up about Sony and extended DR. We heard you. We just don't care as much as you do and don't find it rewarding financially or for work flow.
Thanks.
Shut up please on this topic.
Post pictures or go to Alt.
Thanks again.
You should work on your behavior skills - maybe your educational level is not there that you can understand this. Don't you post yourself in the Alt forum? BTW, it is not just me and mttran who criticize Canon - there are many more here who don't fit in your single-sided Canon world. If you don't like what we post - your problem. Go out and shoot.
When I hang out with my pro photographer friends they compliment each others' work, discuss clients and crazy antics at recent events, discuss upcoming jobs and travel plans, bring up other great photographers, chat about women, booze, family, life. Talk of equipment and its shortcomings are the norm, but they never, ever criticize another person's choice in gear, and are always friendly and polite to each other.
When I hang out here and in other forums all I get out of it is bickering among a bunch of posers, losers and trolls. It really is a shame that people can't respect each other. We all have one very cool, extremely fascinating hobby/profession/talent/like, but you'd never know it.
Maybe I set my expectations too high. Maybe others should evaluate their own. I dunno.
Do people even have thoughtful discussions on forums anymore? It seems like most threads ultimately turn into discussions of a rather limited number of topics (ie. DR) and arguments ultimately reduce to "If you can't see it my way, you need to try harder."
Since we don't seem to be sticking to the topic let me ask one thing, how many new users have you guys had in the last year that stick around for more than a week or two?
jcunwired same here, the photographers I know irl, gear talk is secondary and most of it is aimed at helping each other out.
I've stopped perusing the FM forums like I used to - because so many people deliberately or accidentally forget to STAY ON TOPIC.
The topic of this thread is about the 6d potentially being discontinued.
It has f*ck all to do with DR, megapixels, or who has the largest lens.
If you need to criticize Canon, for the love of Mike, write a letter to Canon, sign it, and send it to Canon Japan. Or make a thread suitably titled, and stick your criticisms in there.
I bought a 6D the month it came out - and have been impressed with it ever since.
I'm finding it hard to believe that Canon would discontinue it so soon. But if they do, then I can only imagine what improvements they might make in a Canon 6D Mark II.
Shutterbug2006, do you realize that sometimes products can become a victim of their own success? What I mean is that, in the simplest sense, there's an initial production run, and that's expected to last the expected lifetime of the product. But if it is a real hot seller, then the initial product run might run out sooner than expected, and at this point the company has at least a few options of what to do next -- they could keep the product the exact same and make another production run, they could make some minor changes or improvements and call it a slight upgrade and continue the line (canon already did this once with the 1d mark 2 n), or they could redesign it altogether in the hopes that they can build upon a success to make an even greater success. In this way, at least in business, a product that sold better than expected might also have a shorter life (as a product) than expected, as counter-intuitive as the notion seems.
I can't see 'those DR is all or nothing so I must talk about it in every topic/thread folks' they are on my 'Hide Me' list which makes reading the Canon forum a delight.
What's sad is those on my 'Hide Me' list have much to add when DR/Exmor are not their agendas. It makes FM a bit less rich in info and thought...without them.
jcunwired wrote:
When I hang out with my pro photographer friends they compliment each others' work, discuss clients and crazy antics at recent events, discuss upcoming jobs and travel plans, bring up other great photographers, chat about women, booze, family, life. Talk of equipment and its shortcomings are the norm, but they never, ever criticize another person's choice in gear, and are always friendly and polite to each other.
When I hang out here and in other forums all I get out of it is bickering among a bunch of posers, losers and trolls. It really is a shame that people can't respect each other. We all have one very cool, extremely fascinating hobby/profession/talent/like, but you'd never know it.
Maybe I set my expectations too high. Maybe others should evaluate their own. I dunno.
Welcome to the internet! FM is polite compared to comments on news sites, FB, Twitter, and many other forums. But, yeah, typing on a screen seems to erase much of our sense of manners and humanity compared to communicating face to face.
retrofocus wrote:
BTW, it is not just me and mttran who criticize Canon - there are many more here who don't fit in your single-sided Canon world. If you don't like what we post - your problem. Go out and shoot.
The last time that I needed to recover shadows was in 1997. I had a 6x7 Astia slide that couldn't hold both highlights and shadows.
The funny thing is that no-one else really liked Astia because it was too flat. Everyone else loved Velvia for the pop, especially landscape photographers.
That was the same reason so many people loved the Canon D30 over the 10D and 20D. It was tuned for higher contrast and saturation defaults for the JPEGs. Everyone complained that the 20D was too flat. Nikon had more "pop" people said.
Funny how folks love the film profiles on the Fuji mirrorless today. And especially how folks go on and on about only shooting JPEGs on Fuji because they are so good. If you look at DPReview, the film profile curves are all pretty contrasty.
retrofocus wrote:
..... there are many more here who don't fit in your single-sided Canon world. If you don't like what we post - your problem. Go out and shoot.
Dang. Please advise another 3 makes I should use so I can shoot in a quadruple-sided world. Being stuck in this single-sided Canon is a real handicap.
Gochugogi wrote:
But, yeah, typing on a screen seems to erase much of our sense of manners and humanity compared to communicating face to face.
I would more compare it to a traffic jam where everyone is tooting their horn yet no one is getting anywhere very fast.
I seem to remember a time in the distant past when forums were more the norm and people were more helpful, reasonable, willing to engage in discussion or such. But maybe that was all just fantasy.
popinvasion wrote:
People are actually arguing against improved dynamic range and those who desire it.... Amazing.
Absolute nonsense, utter drivel. You just choose not to actually read what people type
As far as I can recall nobody here has EVER said the Nikon and Sony sensors aren't very good. Nobody has EVER 'argued against them', that is just crap.
What we have done is try and explain (usually to those who have no wish to listen) that we are pretty fine with what we have, that they earn our money and do the job. That is not the same thing at all and you well know it.
Seems like you just like stirring the pot to see what sort of rise you can get, which is rather to be pitied.
popinvasion wrote:
People are actually arguing against improved dynamic range and those who desire it.... Amazing.
I guess nobody does. What they arguing against is the need of some people to change any Canon threat into a "Canon is failing because of less DR than Sonys Exmor" shitstorm.
This is not funny any longer, just stupid and boring. Nobody would say anything against a DR top performing sensor in his/her body. But it looks like millions of shooters do not really need 3 stops "better" DR. I am one of them. What makes me a "fanboy" for many "DR-wishers" who is a Canon slave, willing to accept all what Canon does.
I do not. I wish a joystick on the 6d II. That would make the best available tool for my needs even a better one.
Ralph Conway wrote:
I guess nobody does. What they arguing against is the need of some people to change any Canon threat into a "Canon is failing because of less DR than Sonys Exmor" shitstorm.
This is not funny any longer, just stupid and boring. Nobody would say anything against a DR top performing sensor in his/her body. But it looks like millions of shooters do not really need 3 stops "better" DR. I am one of them. What makes me a "fanboy" for many "DR-wishers" who is a Canon slave, willing to accept all what Canon does.
I do not. I wish a joystick on the 6d II. That would make the best available tool for my needs even a better one.
