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p.29 #1Zeiss ZM 35 1.4
Very nice Jako and Ruivan, really missed having a manual focusing 35mm f1.4, this lens is worth every penny.
2015-06-05_06 by Sean H Choe, on Flickr
2015-06-05_06 by Sean H Choe, on Flickr
Jun 05, 2015 at 05:47 AM
p.29 #2Zeiss ZM 35 1.4
Hi guys,
I have 2 RX1s and since the launch of the A7II and A7RII I am now considering the A7 series more seriously. Most of the work I do is on 35mm and I once considered the 35mm 1.4 ZM to compliment either an A7II or A7r but seeing the samples online from either combo discouraged me to go on that routed.
Recently I came across this modification done to the A7r filter stack and the idea has come back to my mind again (RX1->A7) I got some questions for those of you who have the modified A7/r:
1) Would it be possible to see some full res samples, please? I tend to print large and I'm happy that the RX1 has served me well for that purpose, but I can't find anywhere modified A7r/A7 combos with the 35mm 1.4 ZM. I'd greatly appreciate help with this.
2) Have you considered the FE 35mm 1.4?
I know that the launch of the FE 35mm 1.4 has been well received, but the lens is too big for my taste. If giving up the RX1 for the A7 series, I am giving up not only the size, but also the silent shutter. I am prepared to give up the silent shutter and some of the size, but not as much as the FE 35mm 1.4 needs. I understand from looking at Sebboh's posts that there is still no lens like the RX1 Sonnar and I agree. However, I would love to have the ability of having wider and more telephoto solutions at time and interchangeable lens is the way to go. I have yet to find someone using teleside tele converters with the RX1 to give it a 50mm or so focal length with decent quality results. I tried with the Yashica aux tele converters to no avail.
Cheers,
I have 2 RX1s and since the launch of the A7II and A7RII I am now considering the A7 series more seriously. Most of the work I do is on 35mm and I once considered the 35mm 1.4 ZM to compliment either an A7II or A7r but seeing the samples online from either combo discouraged me to go on that routed.
Recently I came across this modification done to the A7r filter stack and the idea has come back to my mind again (RX1->A7) I got some questions for those of you who have the modified A7/r:
1) Would it be possible to see some full res samples, please? I tend to print large and I'm happy that the RX1 has served me well for that purpose, but I can't find anywhere modified A7r/A7 combos with the 35mm 1.4 ZM. I'd greatly appreciate help with this.
2) Have you considered the FE 35mm 1.4?
I know that the launch of the FE 35mm 1.4 has been well received, but the lens is too big for my taste. If giving up the RX1 for the A7 series, I am giving up not only the size, but also the silent shutter. I am prepared to give up the silent shutter and some of the size, but not as much as the FE 35mm 1.4 needs. I understand from looking at Sebboh's posts that there is still no lens like the RX1 Sonnar and I agree. However, I would love to have the ability of having wider and more telephoto solutions at time and interchangeable lens is the way to go. I have yet to find someone using teleside tele converters with the RX1 to give it a 50mm or so focal length with decent quality results. I tried with the Yashica aux tele converters to no avail.
Cheers,
Jun 12, 2015 at 05:23 AM
p.29 #3Zeiss ZM 35 1.4
The Hexagonal wrote:
Hi guys,
I have 2 RX1s and since the launch of the A7II and A7RII I am now considering the A7 series more seriously. Most of the work I do is on 35mm and I once considered the 35mm 1.4 ZM to compliment either an A7II or A7r but seeing the samples online from either combo discouraged me to go on that routed.
Recently I came across this modification done to the A7r filter stack and the idea has come back to my mind again (RX1->A7) I got some questions for those of you who have the modified A7/r:
1) Would it...Show more →
1) I have no doubt the ZM 35/1.4 would be extremely sharp across the frame stopping down on a modded camera. Jack (Jako) is using the A7r.Mod+ZM 35/1.4 combo right now.
2) Have you considered getting an A7 series body to complement your RX1?
Hi guys,
I have 2 RX1s and since the launch of the A7II and A7RII I am now considering the A7 series more seriously. Most of the work I do is on 35mm and I once considered the 35mm 1.4 ZM to compliment either an A7II or A7r but seeing the samples online from either combo discouraged me to go on that routed.
Recently I came across this modification done to the A7r filter stack and the idea has come back to my mind again (RX1->A7) I got some questions for those of you who have the modified A7/r:
1) Would it...Show more →
1) I have no doubt the ZM 35/1.4 would be extremely sharp across the frame stopping down on a modded camera. Jack (Jako) is using the A7r.Mod+ZM 35/1.4 combo right now.
2) Have you considered getting an A7 series body to complement your RX1?
Jun 12, 2015 at 09:05 AM
p.29 #4Zeiss ZM 35 1.4
The Hexagonal wrote:
Hi guys,
I have 2 RX1s and since the launch of the A7II and A7RII I am now considering the A7 series more seriously. Most of the work I do is on 35mm and I once considered the 35mm 1.4 ZM to compliment either an A7II or A7r but seeing the samples online from either combo discouraged me to go on that routed.
Recently I came across this modification done to the A7r filter stack and the idea has come back to my mind again (RX1->A7) I got some questions for those of you who have the modified A7/r:
1) Would it...Show more →
Also, if you get an A7s modified (or the new A7r II modified if they are ever able to modify it), then you can also get a silent shutter. The A7s will have noticeably better high ISO performance than the RX1, but less resolution. The A7r II should have (but it just came out this week so we don't know), better resolution and high ISO performance. It will also have IBIS, and may even have better performance in the edges of the frame. I am guessing we are a year or so away from getting a modified version of it, however.
Hi guys,
I have 2 RX1s and since the launch of the A7II and A7RII I am now considering the A7 series more seriously. Most of the work I do is on 35mm and I once considered the 35mm 1.4 ZM to compliment either an A7II or A7r but seeing the samples online from either combo discouraged me to go on that routed.
Recently I came across this modification done to the A7r filter stack and the idea has come back to my mind again (RX1->A7) I got some questions for those of you who have the modified A7/r:
1) Would it...Show more →
Also, if you get an A7s modified (or the new A7r II modified if they are ever able to modify it), then you can also get a silent shutter. The A7s will have noticeably better high ISO performance than the RX1, but less resolution. The A7r II should have (but it just came out this week so we don't know), better resolution and high ISO performance. It will also have IBIS, and may even have better performance in the edges of the frame. I am guessing we are a year or so away from getting a modified version of it, however.
Jun 12, 2015 at 09:25 AM
p.29 #5Zeiss ZM 35 1.4
Aside from the size difference between the FE 35/1.4 and the ZM, there also seem to be fairly significant rendering differences. I'd go ZM if sharpness and micro contrast is a priority, especially wider open, while the FE seems a bit more relaxed in its rendering while giving up some across-frame performance at wider apertures (though still very usable).
Just to add another variable - it might be worthwhile holding off until the new Voigtlander 35/1.7 in M mount starts shipping and real world results start trickling in. I've only seen film images so far, but at least rendering looked promising, somewhere between the FE and ZM. That photographer claimed it's very sharp, too, but we'll have to wait to see how it translates to digital and varying sensor stack thicknesses.
Just to add another variable - it might be worthwhile holding off until the new Voigtlander 35/1.7 in M mount starts shipping and real world results start trickling in. I've only seen film images so far, but at least rendering looked promising, somewhere between the FE and ZM. That photographer claimed it's very sharp, too, but we'll have to wait to see how it translates to digital and varying sensor stack thicknesses.
Jun 12, 2015 at 09:45 AM
p.29 #6Zeiss ZM 35 1.4
Ron, Steve and hiepphotog,
Thank you very much for your swift replies.
Firs things first. I have considered getting an A7 to compliment the RX1, but at the time when I bought my second RX1, the thought of it was that I was getting a back up to the first RX1 because I work and I depend on it. When I had my NEX-7, I had a 5n as a back up. If I would have gotten an A7, it would have been with the 55mm to get that FOV. I couldn't have afforded an A7+55+35/2.8 at the time so it had to be either a back up, or another system completely.
Now I would be able to consider investing again, this time, though, I have spent enough time with the RX1 to know that AF could be better and MF, while good, is still a bit of a hindrance with fast reaction moments (of which, I am not chasing much, mind you. I am not the reactive clicky type)
My interest wouldn't have swayed this way unless I heard of the modification to the filter stack on the A7r and that's what attracts me. So, my main curiosity is the ZM vs the ZE and see how they stack up performance wise. I'd love to have the one closest to the RX1 in rendering and sharpness. To me, the RX1 lens is really the best 35mm and, unlike Ron who has seen many 35s -I'm sure-, I've used some (2/35mm ZE, 35mm 1.4 L, 35mm G Contax, 2/35mm ZM, 35mm 2.8 C/Y and 24mm 1.8 E)
I have heard of the new Ultron coming up. That sounds like a nice lens but nothing other than film tests as you have noticed, Ron. My inclination is to go for an A7r modded and the ZM but I have yet to see full resolution samples. While I've seen Jack's photographs here, I would still need to see full resolution images to get an accurate idea of that cam+lens combo. If the A7r+ZM gets to be similar to Leica+ZM, I just might be sold.
After that, it's just matter of hoping Sony gives us back the lossless compression.
Thank you very much for your swift replies.
Firs things first. I have considered getting an A7 to compliment the RX1, but at the time when I bought my second RX1, the thought of it was that I was getting a back up to the first RX1 because I work and I depend on it. When I had my NEX-7, I had a 5n as a back up. If I would have gotten an A7, it would have been with the 55mm to get that FOV. I couldn't have afforded an A7+55+35/2.8 at the time so it had to be either a back up, or another system completely.
Now I would be able to consider investing again, this time, though, I have spent enough time with the RX1 to know that AF could be better and MF, while good, is still a bit of a hindrance with fast reaction moments (of which, I am not chasing much, mind you. I am not the reactive clicky type)
My interest wouldn't have swayed this way unless I heard of the modification to the filter stack on the A7r and that's what attracts me. So, my main curiosity is the ZM vs the ZE and see how they stack up performance wise. I'd love to have the one closest to the RX1 in rendering and sharpness. To me, the RX1 lens is really the best 35mm and, unlike Ron who has seen many 35s -I'm sure-, I've used some (2/35mm ZE, 35mm 1.4 L, 35mm G Contax, 2/35mm ZM, 35mm 2.8 C/Y and 24mm 1.8 E)
I have heard of the new Ultron coming up. That sounds like a nice lens but nothing other than film tests as you have noticed, Ron. My inclination is to go for an A7r modded and the ZM but I have yet to see full resolution samples. While I've seen Jack's photographs here, I would still need to see full resolution images to get an accurate idea of that cam+lens combo. If the A7r+ZM gets to be similar to Leica+ZM, I just might be sold.
After that, it's just matter of hoping Sony gives us back the lossless compression.
Jun 12, 2015 at 12:31 PM
p.29 #7Zeiss ZM 35 1.4
The Hexagonal wrote:
Ron, Steve and hiepphotog,
Thank you very much for your swift replies.
Firs things first. I have considered getting an A7 to compliment the RX1, but at the time when I bought my second RX1, the thought of it was that I was getting a back up to the first RX1 because I work and I depend on it. When I had my NEX-7, I had a 5n as a back up. If I would have gotten an A7, it would have been with the 55mm to get that FOV. I couldn't have afforded an A7+55+35/2.8 at the time so it...Show more →
My point is that you don't need to consider either the ZM or the FE since none would be even closed to the Sonnar in term of draw at that weight and size. With the ZM, you loose your AF, and this the FE, you have to make do with a big and weighty lens. Then with the added A7, you can buy native lenses like the Batis/Loxia/FE and forget about the mod. That is what I think you might want to consider. Modding the cam for just one lens is kinda wasted down the line when you would have a hard time to sell it and so on.
Ron, Steve and hiepphotog,
Thank you very much for your swift replies.
Firs things first. I have considered getting an A7 to compliment the RX1, but at the time when I bought my second RX1, the thought of it was that I was getting a back up to the first RX1 because I work and I depend on it. When I had my NEX-7, I had a 5n as a back up. If I would have gotten an A7, it would have been with the 55mm to get that FOV. I couldn't have afforded an A7+55+35/2.8 at the time so it...Show more →
My point is that you don't need to consider either the ZM or the FE since none would be even closed to the Sonnar in term of draw at that weight and size. With the ZM, you loose your AF, and this the FE, you have to make do with a big and weighty lens. Then with the added A7, you can buy native lenses like the Batis/Loxia/FE and forget about the mod. That is what I think you might want to consider. Modding the cam for just one lens is kinda wasted down the line when you would have a hard time to sell it and so on.
Jun 12, 2015 at 01:32 PM
p.29 #8Zeiss ZM 35 1.4
I tried the RX-1 and didn't buy, while I love the A7R and ZM 35 combo, so you won't be surprised that I find them very different. The ZM has an incredibly sharp image centre, the most beautiful colours I have yet come across, and superlative 3D. On the other hand, corner sharpness is not the best on my unmodded A7R, and bokeh varies from mind-blowingly painterly to a bit rough with hints of Nisen. Oh, and the ZM has f:1.4, or course.
Overall, while both lenses are rated in the highest category, I think the Sony Sonnar and the Zeiss are quite different indeed. If you love the Sony, I am not sure the ZM is your "thing", but that's your call.
Overall, while both lenses are rated in the highest category, I think the Sony Sonnar and the Zeiss are quite different indeed. If you love the Sony, I am not sure the ZM is your "thing", but that's your call.
Jun 12, 2015 at 01:43 PM
p.29 #9Zeiss ZM 35 1.4
Philippe, the colours are beautiful!
The Hexagonal wrote:
To me, the RX1 lens is really the best 35mm and, unlike Ron who has seen many 35s -I'm sure-, I've used some (2/35mm ZE, 35mm 1.4 L, 35mm G Contax, 2/35mm ZM, 35mm 2.8 C/Y and 24mm 1.8 E).
I actually haven't used *that* many 35s either. Rather, more in the 50mm range. Both of the older ZMs, with the 2.8 being one of my standard lenses for over a year, and brief trials with the f/2 and the f/1.4. Also the CV35/1.2II and Canon 35/2 Leica thread mount from the early 60s. All of that on Leica M. Otherwise, the EF 35/2 (old version) and limited use of the 35L on Canon DSLRs. And a few weeks with a loaner RX1. I have zero experience with the ZE/ZF/CY lenses. But I agree with you that the RX1's Sonnar is kind of unique. It has a great drawing quality yet is also very sharp.
From what has been posted with the modded a7 sensors, it looks to get very, very close to Leica digital M edge sharpness. Maybe not quite there, but much better than unmodded. That said, you should definitely look at full-rez samples.
What do you photograph at 35mm? What are typical working distances? Do you need painterly subject/background separation (and at what distances) or are you more looking for high resolution across the frame?
Maybe Philippe will share how he shot the above image, but chance are it's with the close focus helicoid adapter, and at that subject distance, background separation and rendering tends to be superb. The challenge with the ZM seems to be at farther subject distances (~1.5-3m) with not so much background separation. At least that's my immersion, and where I think the RX1 manages very well.
The Hexagonal wrote:
To me, the RX1 lens is really the best 35mm and, unlike Ron who has seen many 35s -I'm sure-, I've used some (2/35mm ZE, 35mm 1.4 L, 35mm G Contax, 2/35mm ZM, 35mm 2.8 C/Y and 24mm 1.8 E).
I actually haven't used *that* many 35s either. Rather, more in the 50mm range. Both of the older ZMs, with the 2.8 being one of my standard lenses for over a year, and brief trials with the f/2 and the f/1.4. Also the CV35/1.2II and Canon 35/2 Leica thread mount from the early 60s. All of that on Leica M. Otherwise, the EF 35/2 (old version) and limited use of the 35L on Canon DSLRs. And a few weeks with a loaner RX1. I have zero experience with the ZE/ZF/CY lenses. But I agree with you that the RX1's Sonnar is kind of unique. It has a great drawing quality yet is also very sharp.
From what has been posted with the modded a7 sensors, it looks to get very, very close to Leica digital M edge sharpness. Maybe not quite there, but much better than unmodded. That said, you should definitely look at full-rez samples.
What do you photograph at 35mm? What are typical working distances? Do you need painterly subject/background separation (and at what distances) or are you more looking for high resolution across the frame?
Maybe Philippe will share how he shot the above image, but chance are it's with the close focus helicoid adapter, and at that subject distance, background separation and rendering tends to be superb. The challenge with the ZM seems to be at farther subject distances (~1.5-3m) with not so much background separation. At least that's my immersion, and where I think the RX1 manages very well.
Jun 12, 2015 at 02:59 PM
p.29 #10Zeiss ZM 35 1.4
Thanks, Ron!
Of course, when claiming that the ZM's colours are special, I had to come up with a shot to back up my claim. This is indded taken with a helicoid (Hawks'), though the ZM doesn't really like absolute MFD with helicoid extended plus wid eopen or close. You get a kind of "glow", which I am not so fond of. So I tend not to get as close as possible, but rather crop a bit, as in this case.
Bokeh is a bit unusual IMHO, in one way which I will try to explain. I used to differentiate lens bokeh between the "creamy", meaning little structure is maintained in the out-of-focus areas, and "structured" (the opposite). The ZM tends to be creamy, BUT it maintains colour and tone separation in the out-of-focus areas, so, if your background is constant-colour, you get creamy bokeh, but if it is multi-coloured, you get a painterly, colour-shape effect. Plus, it can be quite creamy at short range, but more structured at longer range.
Bokeh is also affected by very strong 3D presentation. Here is one example of what I mean, and I am afraid I haven't been as clear as a shot with ZM 35...
Of course, when claiming that the ZM's colours are special, I had to come up with a shot to back up my claim. This is indded taken with a helicoid (Hawks'), though the ZM doesn't really like absolute MFD with helicoid extended plus wid eopen or close. You get a kind of "glow", which I am not so fond of. So I tend not to get as close as possible, but rather crop a bit, as in this case.
Bokeh is a bit unusual IMHO, in one way which I will try to explain. I used to differentiate lens bokeh between the "creamy", meaning little structure is maintained in the out-of-focus areas, and "structured" (the opposite). The ZM tends to be creamy, BUT it maintains colour and tone separation in the out-of-focus areas, so, if your background is constant-colour, you get creamy bokeh, but if it is multi-coloured, you get a painterly, colour-shape effect. Plus, it can be quite creamy at short range, but more structured at longer range.
Bokeh is also affected by very strong 3D presentation. Here is one example of what I mean, and I am afraid I haven't been as clear as a shot with ZM 35...
Jun 12, 2015 at 03:16 PM
p.29 #11Zeiss ZM 35 1.4
Philippe,
I am kind of fond of what I have seen so far from the ZM. From my perspective, the drawing is close to what I have seen with the RX1. Responding to Ron's question, my main job is photojournalism, so I do a bit of everything with 35mm. Portraits, landscape, indoors, anything that needs to be photographed for the story. I can show you some work under this pseudonym, though:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/126511332@N02
Scrolling through all of these, you'll see that most of it is 35mm FOV. A lot in this gallery is RX1, especially since I started re-using flickr after I bought the RX1.
The shots I feel showcase the RX1 for me at its best from that gallery are these five:
English Summer at Green Park by The Hexagonal, on Flickr
Peckham Rye Scene by The Hexagonal, on Flickr
Morning Sunlight in the Bedroom by The Hexagonal, on Flickr
On The Banks Of the River Thames - A Low tide by The Hexagonal, on Flickr
YSP Series: Woods VII by The Hexagonal, on Flickr
Always killer detail, across the frame, and the feeling in the photo is really nice. I doubt one couldn't get a similar effect from the ZM, or even the FE for that matter.
By the way, I notice that there is a severe lack of human proximity in that work, but, not to worry, I do it a lot actually. I just don't show it here because work is separate.
I am kind of fond of what I have seen so far from the ZM. From my perspective, the drawing is close to what I have seen with the RX1. Responding to Ron's question, my main job is photojournalism, so I do a bit of everything with 35mm. Portraits, landscape, indoors, anything that needs to be photographed for the story. I can show you some work under this pseudonym, though:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/126511332@N02
Scrolling through all of these, you'll see that most of it is 35mm FOV. A lot in this gallery is RX1, especially since I started re-using flickr after I bought the RX1.
The shots I feel showcase the RX1 for me at its best from that gallery are these five:
English Summer at Green Park by The Hexagonal, on FlickrPeckham Rye Scene by The Hexagonal, on FlickrMorning Sunlight in the Bedroom by The Hexagonal, on FlickrOn The Banks Of the River Thames - A Low tide by The Hexagonal, on FlickrYSP Series: Woods VII by The Hexagonal, on FlickrAlways killer detail, across the frame, and the feeling in the photo is really nice. I doubt one couldn't get a similar effect from the ZM, or even the FE for that matter.
By the way, I notice that there is a severe lack of human proximity in that work, but, not to worry, I do it a lot actually. I just don't show it here because work is separate.
Jun 12, 2015 at 05:00 PM
p.29 #12Zeiss ZM 35 1.4
I think from those samples and others on your Flickr stream, that the ZM would be worth trying, if you're willing to mod an a7R. There will be some rendering differences. Probably more so in images similar to "White Roses" in the background edges. Not really to say worse, but different.
If the ZM holds up well on a modded a7R for edge sharpness, compared to Leica M, then images like "Peckham Rye Scene" and "YSP Series" should be fine at wider apertures.
I realize you mentioned you do other work with people at nearer distances, but my gut feeling for the images on your Flickr stream, if it was me, I'd rather be using the ZM over the FE 35/1.4 for technical reasons.
If the ZM holds up well on a modded a7R for edge sharpness, compared to Leica M, then images like "Peckham Rye Scene" and "YSP Series" should be fine at wider apertures.
I realize you mentioned you do other work with people at nearer distances, but my gut feeling for the images on your Flickr stream, if it was me, I'd rather be using the ZM over the FE 35/1.4 for technical reasons.
Jun 12, 2015 at 05:14 PM
p.29 #13Zeiss ZM 35 1.4
Ron, Thanks for the words of wisdom. Do you mention the ZM+a7r modified and the Peckham Rye shot because of the edge sharpness at the wider apertures? That's one thing that I would be sad to see go from the RX1, but what I expect to gain is a bit of a faster procedure in low light when focusing, since the RX1 can do it, and reliably, but slowly. I believe the A7r can do peaking without magnification, correct? The RX1, for some reason, can only do peaking with focus magnification. Why?
Yes, hopefully I will be able to see some full res samples of a modded A7r with the ZM and make a decision then. What technical reasons you mention for using the ZM over the FE? AF vs MF?
I was hoping Koralivision would have an A7 II mod already because I would love to get IBIS and a better placed shutter button than the first gen A7 cameras.
What are the chances of the new A7rII working any better than stock A7r with M lenses? My gut says...pretty small.
Ah! I forgot to add: I also had the CV 35mm 1.2 II...but only on NEX 7 and only because I bought it for £500 on an ebay listing...
Edited on Jun 13, 2015 at 06:23 AM · View previous versions
Yes, hopefully I will be able to see some full res samples of a modded A7r with the ZM and make a decision then. What technical reasons you mention for using the ZM over the FE? AF vs MF?
I was hoping Koralivision would have an A7 II mod already because I would love to get IBIS and a better placed shutter button than the first gen A7 cameras.
What are the chances of the new A7rII working any better than stock A7r with M lenses? My gut says...pretty small.
Ah! I forgot to add: I also had the CV 35mm 1.2 II...but only on NEX 7 and only because I bought it for £500 on an ebay listing...
Edited on Jun 13, 2015 at 06:23 AM · View previous versions
Jun 12, 2015 at 05:21 PM
p.29 #14Zeiss ZM 35 1.4
The Hexagonal wrote:
What are the chances of the new A7rII working any better than stock A7r with M lenses? My gut says...pretty small.
I think the chances are fairly good actually due to the bsi sensor tech which offers a wider acceptance of off axis light rays versus a traditional sensor. There is still the issue of the sensor cover glass thickness, which will likely still cause some degradation, but the bsi sensor should show some improvement, particularly with regard to color vignetting I suspect. A BSI sensor with thin cover glass would be awesome probably if it ever becomes an option.
What are the chances of the new A7rII working any better than stock A7r with M lenses? My gut says...pretty small.
I think the chances are fairly good actually due to the bsi sensor tech which offers a wider acceptance of off axis light rays versus a traditional sensor. There is still the issue of the sensor cover glass thickness, which will likely still cause some degradation, but the bsi sensor should show some improvement, particularly with regard to color vignetting I suspect. A BSI sensor with thin cover glass would be awesome probably if it ever becomes an option.
Jun 12, 2015 at 07:35 PM
p.29 #16Zeiss ZM 35 1.4
RUIvan wrote:
Wideopen, handheld, after sunset
http://album.foto.ru/photos/pr2/439611/4047281.jpg
http://album.foto.ru/photos/pr2/439611/4047282.jpg
http://album.foto.ru/photos/pr2/439611/4047283.jpg
I love your images but I'm fairly certain you could have made them with any $5 lens!
Wideopen, handheld, after sunset
http://album.foto.ru/photos/pr2/439611/4047281.jpg
http://album.foto.ru/photos/pr2/439611/4047282.jpg
http://album.foto.ru/photos/pr2/439611/4047283.jpg
I love your images but I'm fairly certain you could have made them with any $5 lens!
Jun 13, 2015 at 01:43 PM
p.29 #17Zeiss ZM 35 1.4
Hexagonal, Zeiss ZM 35D was designed, unlike other ZM lenses, for current digital rangefinders (M9/240) so with sensor thickness of modified A7R and Sony sensor type there shouldn't be much difference, if any.
Here are couple samples taken with B+W Kaesemann CPL at f/8
http://www.kozera.ca/photos/images/_DSC9558_1600.jpg
Full res
http://www.kozera.ca/photos/images/_DSC9574_1600.jpg
Full res
Here are couple samples taken with B+W Kaesemann CPL at f/8
http://www.kozera.ca/photos/images/_DSC9558_1600.jpg
Full res
http://www.kozera.ca/photos/images/_DSC9574_1600.jpg
Full res
Jun 15, 2015 at 03:30 AM
p.29 #18Zeiss ZM 35 1.4
Hi Jako,
Thank you very much for the full res samples!
I think we have a winner combo with the A7r-mod and the ZM.
I can only hope that the A7r II will be as friendly and if not, then that Kolaris can come up with a way of modding them.
Any chance I could bother you for a f1.4 an f2 shots?
Many thanks,
(Seing that the A7r II won't hit the shelves till Aug-Sep, I can finish my current work with the RX1 and then consider the switch, whether to A7r II or A7r mod)
Thank you very much for the full res samples!
I think we have a winner combo with the A7r-mod and the ZM.
I can only hope that the A7r II will be as friendly and if not, then that Kolaris can come up with a way of modding them.
Any chance I could bother you for a f1.4 an f2 shots?
Many thanks,
(Seing that the A7r II won't hit the shelves till Aug-Sep, I can finish my current work with the RX1 and then consider the switch, whether to A7r II or A7r mod)
Jun 15, 2015 at 10:40 AM
p.29 #19Zeiss ZM 35 1.4
ZM 35D is one great 'universal' lens for me. I used to shoot with Zeiss Distagon 2/35 .ZF, Biogon ZM 2/35 and Leica Summicron-R 35 (R equivalent of M v.IV 'Bokeh King) and the ZM35D has a very unique close/mid presentation at wider apertures, but also it is a solid landscaping lens when stopped down.
First one WO and 2nd @ f/2.0 or f/2.8 (focused on the edge of foreground hill)
http://www.kozera.ca/photos/images/_DSC9852_1600.jpg
Full res
http://www.kozera.ca/photos/images/_DSC9859_1600.jpg
Full res
First one WO and 2nd @ f/2.0 or f/2.8 (focused on the edge of foreground hill)
http://www.kozera.ca/photos/images/_DSC9852_1600.jpg
Full res
http://www.kozera.ca/photos/images/_DSC9859_1600.jpg
Full res
Jun 15, 2015 at 12:13 PM
p.29 #20Zeiss ZM 35 1.4
The Hexagonal wrote:
Ron, Thanks for the words of wisdom. Do you mention the ZM+a7r modified and the Peckham Rye shot because of the edge sharpness at the wider apertures? That's one thing that I would be sad to see go from the RX1, but what I expect to gain is a bit of a faster procedure in low light when focusing, since the RX1 can do it, and reliably, but slowly. I believe the A7r can do peaking without magnification, correct? The RX1, for some reason, can only do peaking with focus magnification. Why?
Yes, hopefully I will be able to see...Show more →
I have not used the ZM on any of the Sony cameras, so can only go by what I have seen posted so far. But, it is very clearly obvious that images from the ZM on un-modded a7 series cameras have far weaker edges than when used on a digital Leica M. Jack's images show it's very good on a modded camera, but I have yet to see a side by side comparison to determine what, if any differences remain.
I think its too early to know how the a7RII will work with rangefinder lenses. The BSI sensor, as Tariq pointed out, should help a lot for pixel illumination, which in theory will reduce or eliminate edge color shifts. But my understanding is edge smearing is due to sensor topping thickness, relative to what the lens was designed to accommodate. I believe there has been comment that the a7RII handles specular light sensor reflections much better than past cameras of the series, which would imply Sony has done something different with the cover glass. It could be better coatings while thickness remains unchanged. We won't know until someone can try the camera with various rangefinder lenses.
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Ron, Thanks for the words of wisdom. Do you mention the ZM+a7r modified and the Peckham Rye shot because of the edge sharpness at the wider apertures? That's one thing that I would be sad to see go from the RX1, but what I expect to gain is a bit of a faster procedure in low light when focusing, since the RX1 can do it, and reliably, but slowly. I believe the A7r can do peaking without magnification, correct? The RX1, for some reason, can only do peaking with focus magnification. Why?
Yes, hopefully I will be able to see...Show more →
I have not used the ZM on any of the Sony cameras, so can only go by what I have seen posted so far. But, it is very clearly obvious that images from the ZM on un-modded a7 series cameras have far weaker edges than when used on a digital Leica M. Jack's images show it's very good on a modded camera, but I have yet to see a side by side comparison to determine what, if any differences remain.
I think its too early to know how the a7RII will work with rangefinder lenses. The BSI sensor, as Tariq pointed out, should help a lot for pixel illumination, which in theory will reduce or eliminate edge color shifts. But my understanding is edge smearing is due to sensor topping thickness, relative to what the lens was designed to accommodate. I believe there has been comment that the a7RII handles specular light sensor reflections much better than past cameras of the series, which would imply Sony has done something different with the cover glass. It could be better coatings while thickness remains unchanged. We won't know until someone can try the camera with various rangefinder lenses.
Edited on Jun 15, 2015 at 12:50 PM · View previous versions
Jun 15, 2015 at 12:49 PM