Gary Clennan wrote:
I think this picture is just incredible. Seems pretty rare these days for landscape photographers to post single exposure images nowadays. Composition and PP is superb. On the other topic, even though this image is similar to Ian's shot there are still quite a few factors which make it unique. I personally don't really care if someone posts an image after mine taken from the identical spot. I would never expect to be "credited" in any sort of way. It also does not bother me to go to exact locations where others have taken amazing pics. I do try to come up with original compositions but this does not always happen. I say great pic Artur - well done!...Show more →
I absolutely agree Gary. How many people took shot of Mesa Arch, for example?
I didn't and I'm going there in a couple of months to take my own shot. i want to have it... and I bet it'll looks similar to hundreds of others. I will credit no one but myself
Slabshaft wrote:
I like the picture, but I'm not sure how I feel about the composition. It's nearly identical to Ian Plant's, to the point of feeling unoriginal.
That is really rude sounding. So now we have to give credit to anyone and everyone who ever took a shot from the same location? I am heading to Glacier NP soon, perhaps you can look over my photos when i get back and let me know who i should be crediting with taking my photos....
And Justin.... So Ian Plant was the first to capture that scene? Really? ian was the first? Well i think you need to enlarge your knowledge base, Ian wasnt the first. He might have been the first person that you know of that took that basic composition, but you need to think twice before declaring Ian Plant the first person to have captured that. I am guessing you are heading down to Patgonia now to erect a plaque and a pay station in Ians name?
And so i suppose Ian Plant was right there with Artur, and took Arturs tripod and placed it in that spot? And then he took Arturs camera and set it upon the tripod, composing the scene? And then Ian Plant went and set up the exposure for Artur? And then finally after shooting the scene, Ian Plant took and downloaded that shot on to Arturs computer and processed it for him? Rather silly huh?
When i go to shoot a new location, i do research to get ideas. But when i am actually out shooting, my mind becomes filled with the scene before me and how i would capture it. I cant remember anyone elses shots or even their names at that point... 100% of my focus is on capturing the scene in front of me. I am not taking out some old magazine and then comparing my composition to someone elses...
It just seems sad to try and take away from someones efforts to have produced a super cool shot. Especially when those complaining about a lack of originality were not there when it was being photographed... In fact odds are These critics were thousands of miles away. So to declare someones work as plagurism is really sad and troubling.
Many thanks for viewing and commenting on the "Awakening Torres." I will likely be returning to Patagonia, next year, but will try to do my homework first and go through ALL Patagonia photos printed/published by the BIG NAMES to avoid similar accusations. (just a tiny joke for a good beginning of the day I might also go through other, less known names that, let's be honest, in many cases take great photos! :-)
Special thanks to ckcarr, B Landau, Gary Glennan, Gregg Boratyn and Jim Fox. I am glad that you guys agree that there are limits in claiming composition's "property rights." Otherwise photographers would live in some sort of a crazy land!
Jim Fox, I truly enjoyed your comment. What's more, my sister in law who read it and really liked your descriptive narrative said: "Come on, let's bring this guy over there for a Polish-style dinner"
Have a good day and great week-end! I am leaving tomorrow early morning to the Canadian wine country, Okanagan so my day is already good :-)
Mark, I think you've asked the wrong question, re Ian Plant, on this thread...
JimFox...
Slabshaft said he liked this photo by ArturS, but was uncertain how he felt about the composition. Nothing more. Not the content, or lighting, or colors, only the composition. If he’d said “It’s nearly identical to another I’ve seen…”—without naming a particular photographer—would you still say his comment sounded rude?
If the OP is confident of his abilities and intentions, why did this comment cause him to be defensive? He has nothing to apologize for.
Does everyone who participates on the forum get their .02 worth, regardless of the opinion expressed, or is that reserved for a correct viewpoint? And whose is that?
The really sad and troubling aspect of this thread is the strident comments you made to both Slabshaft and Justin. Yes, you’re entitled to .02, too, but you’re a MODERATOR. Instead, you came off as unfriendly and unprofessional. Shouldn’t we expect more?
Oh wow, I returned from the wine country and there are still interesting comments under the Awakening Torres
I don't know if I mentioned before, but I hate repeating myself. All that I had to say in this apparently a "burning" case of defenders of Ian Plant's "composition property rights" versus Awakening Torres I have already said here.
At the risk of being accused of being "defensive" (ref: one of the comments above), I will just add this: I am really disappointed that some photographers that I considered as quite open minded or just decent in this what they do can see in my photo only the composition, totally ignoring the rest. And I believe, they know who they are. This is actually a bit of a disappointment for me. Anyway, I face disappointments rather well
Again, thanks to all for comments/private messages, votes and I wish you all a good light this week!
Please note that when I accused you of defensiveness (your word, not mine) I also said you had nothing to apologize for. That is a most excellent photo, with a completely different set of elements than the one Ian Plant has done.
My quibble here is that an honest, if arguable, comment by Slabshaft provoked an unnecessary tug-of-words between several posters that got out of hand (and off-topic: they should have been commenting on your photo). The whole argument about "compositional rights" became rather juvenile, I felt, and it bottomed out with the unfortunate comments by our moderator.
This will bump your thread back to the top; hopefully a few folks who haven't seen your fine work will now have that enjoyment...
Incredible shot and lighting! Yes the first thing I noticed is the perfect composition how the reflection is framed. It's okay for great minds to think alike.
Incredible shot, composition, post-processing, etc....Call it yours, regardless of the floating opinions!
I wonder how many of these same people have identical compositions of Oxbow Bend in fall, the barns on Mormon Row, the Snake River Overlook, etc. There are very few originals any longer so let's embrace the beauty of the image as it stands on its own.
