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p.19 #1 · OMG - 7D II is coming...


Imagemaster wrote:
Update from CR:

http://www.canonrumors.com/2014/08/a-rundown-of-eos-7d-mark-ii-information/


Wow, the 7DII is becoming more and more awesome by the hour .
Now with 12fps and a (Foveon-like) multi-layer sensor.

Like I said, though, it almost looks as if someone is pulling CanonRumor's leg ... intentionally.
Setting them up, so that at announcement time they will look like fools.

Unless the Psychic guy is pulling our leg too, his info seems much more realistic and plausible.
He did 'guess' the 70D correctly last year, btw.



Aug 15, 2014 at 10:30 AM
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p.19 #2 · OMG - 7D II is coming...


Imagemaster wrote:
Update from CR:

http://www.canonrumors.com/2014/08/a-rundown-of-eos-7d-mark-ii-information/


This is a small rundown of what we know and can publish about the EOS 7D Mark II (If that’s what it’s called).

* Full metal body (EOS-1 build quality)
* EOS-1 style top plate
* New sensor technology (multi layer)
* No Wifi built-in
* Not touch screen, super durable LCD cover
* 12fps shooting (or faster)
* Dual Pixel AF
* New AF system

This will probably turn out to be Canon’s best specced camera ever. We’re also told, that just like the EOS 5D
Mark III launch. This camera should be available pretty soon after the announcement.

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* New sensor technology (multi layer)


This is intriguing to me! Of course we are all hoping that it has 13.5-14.0+ stops of DR.

But this is also pointing in the direction of improved color fidelity. Either via the IR & UV patents for handling skin, or a potential "true color" sensor.

I was hoping that they might give us "true color" by splitting each pixel into 4 parts (similar to the DPAF), and combing each of those into 1 output pixel. Similar to what they have been doing at much lower resolution levels with their Cinema sensors.

In any event, this is something that is going to stir up a lot of (mostly irrelevant) discussion until we have the results of real tests in hand.

Every Canon body is intended to be a "category leader" in sales. They don't produce "niche" bodies, with one killer feature and lots of serious deficits in other areas. So i am pretty sure they will "get it right."

Exactly what "it" is, though ... damn Canon. Just tell us please!

Cheers. Interesting time.
Michael



Aug 15, 2014 at 10:38 AM
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p.19 #3 · OMG - 7D II is coming...


mmurph wrote:
This is intriguing to me! Of course we are all hoping that it has 13.5-14.0+ stops of DR.


While I'm hoping Canon can improve low ISO DR, if it doesn't it won't kill my enthusiasm for it. I'm looking at a 7D2 for reach and speed. Better high ISO is more of a priority then low ISO.

12FPS, 1D build, 5D3/1DX AF, better high ISO, and a 24MP APS-C sensor would still be a killer body in my mind.


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Aug 15, 2014 at 10:56 AM
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p.19 #4 · OMG - 7D II is coming...


What's with the new AF system rumor?

Is it possible that they will combine PDAF and 1Dx AF abilities?



Aug 15, 2014 at 10:59 AM
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p.19 #5 · OMG - 7D II is coming...


jorkata wrote:
Like I said, though, it almost looks as if someone is pulling CanonRumor's leg ... intentionally.
Setting them up, so that at announcement time they will look like fools.

Unless the Psychic guy is pulling our leg too, his info seems much more realistic and plausible.


Both of them are rumor sources, and as such, you have no facts to know which is more realistic and plausible.




Aug 15, 2014 at 11:20 AM
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p.19 #6 · OMG - 7D II is coming...


I just hope its not 24 million noisy pixels, up from 18 million noisy pixels

5D III focus ability would be expected in 2014

but noise is the issue to be fixed



Aug 15, 2014 at 11:34 AM
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p.19 #7 · OMG - 7D II is coming...


ggreene wrote:
While I'm hoping Canon can improve low ISO DR, if it doesn't it won't kill my enthusiasm for it. I'm looking at a 7D2 for reach and speed. Better high ISO is more of a priority then low ISO.

12FPS, 1D build, 5D3/1DX AF, better high ISO, and a 24MP APS-C sensor would still be a killer body in my mind.


Add autofocus at f/8 and I'll put in my preorder now.



Aug 15, 2014 at 11:52 AM
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p.19 #8 · OMG - 7D II is coming...


rattlebonez wrote:
I just hope its not 24 million noisy pixels, up from 18 million noisy pixels

but noise is the issue to be fixed




Yeah, that terrible noise issue:









Aug 15, 2014 at 12:12 PM
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p.19 #9 · OMG - 7D II is coming...


"This is a small rundown of what we know and can publish about the EOS 7D Mark II (If that’s what it’s called)."

Not the information itself, but it's statements like this that make me suspicious of "rumor" sites like these. You're either telling it all or you aren't, the verbiage "can publish" at least hints that they know some things but aren't telling...



Aug 15, 2014 at 12:18 PM
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p.19 #10 · OMG - 7D II is coming...


Even 3200 was very usable on the 7D, I hope to see about a 1 1/3 stop improvement along with "cleaner" noise meaning less of the black dirty spots you would get.



6400 in a pinch



12800 when you have no other choice




Aug 15, 2014 at 01:39 PM
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p.19 #11 · OMG - 7D II is coming...


Tony, you've got to keep the booze away from your bird. He's embarrassing the neighborhood!


Aug 15, 2014 at 02:48 PM
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p.19 #12 · OMG - 7D II is coming...


I put it in a different thread since this one had seemed kinda long and off the rails and ihadn't checked in and noticed it was brought up here already, anyway here is what I wrote in the other thread:


They claim that leaks have been clamped down more than ever and yet these sound like bigger leaks to me than they have had in a long time! I don't get why he call these minor details because of many leakers being shut out of the loop this time?

Anyway he claims these are 100% (although he didn't put CR2 or CR3 or any CR at all).

"New sensor technology (multi layer)
12fps shooting (or faster)
Dual Pixel AF
New AF system"

(and a few other comments about the body and wifi and so on at: http://www.canonrumors.com/2014/08/a-rundown-of-eos-7d-mark-ii-information/)

Holy Naked Mole Rats!!!!

Wow, sounds like the engineers escaped the basement closet and managed to lock the marketing droids in there and turn the tables.

Wow, this sounds potentially pretty amazing. Assuming some of the details did not get lost in translation.

This also sounds like pretty huge leaks to me, even bigger than recent leaks for other bodies though, so I don't see how this is clamping down on leaks

Almost all the other rumors had hinted that multi-layer or IQ stuff might not fully hit until the 5D4.
I just hope they can pull off multi-layer sensor. I have to imagine they couldn't dream of making this sort of body poor at high ISO. Wow, have they solved all of Fuji's issues? Might it deliver single layer high ISO quality, proper color under all lighting and did they also include new on-chip ADC for exmor shadows Or is it some weird mess since multi-layer sensor have all so far been so heavily compromised this would take a shocking level of breakthrough (but why force a weird mess out for no reason? and maybe this is why they reused the old sensors for a while, didn't feel like the expense of bothering with something intermediate and were just waiting for this ground-breaking change?).



Aug 15, 2014 at 02:54 PM
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p.19 #13 · OMG - 7D II is coming...


Pixel Perfect wrote:
I guarantee the rep knows very very little about the camera at all.


And now with CR claiming it's 100% to have at least 12fps.... yeah as usual the reps know nothing (other than how to max push current product and clear out old stock).




Aug 15, 2014 at 02:56 PM
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p.19 #14 · OMG - 7D II is coming...


jorkata wrote:
Wow, the 7DII is becoming more and more awesome by the hour .
Now with 12fps and a (Foveon-like) multi-layer sensor.

Like I said, though, it almost looks as if someone is pulling CanonRumor's leg ... intentionally.
Setting them up, so that at announcement time they will look like fools.

Unless the Psychic guy is pulling our leg too, his info seems much more realistic and plausible.
He did 'guess' the 70D correctly last year, btw.


Hah, yeah, let us hope it's not some guy who used to work at Canon and now works with Nikon/Sony and is putting about disinfo to build up crazy expectations so the actual 7D2 lands with a mega-thud, even if semi-decent.



Aug 15, 2014 at 02:57 PM
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p.19 #15 · OMG - 7D II is coming...


Imagemaster wrote:
Both of them are rumor sources, and as such, you have no facts to know which is more realistic and plausible.



But CR guys went out on a limb and said these things are what are a given.



Aug 15, 2014 at 03:05 PM
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p.19 #16 · OMG - 7D II is coming...


skibum5 wrote:
But CR guys went out on a limb and said these things are what are a given.


Are you joking? What limb? Are you going to sue a rumor site if their rumors are not facts?



Aug 15, 2014 at 04:03 PM
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p.19 #17 · OMG - 7D II is coming...


These might be 1DXI specs.


Aug 15, 2014 at 04:13 PM
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p.19 #18 · OMG - 7D II is coming...


Canon/Nikonrumors are usually pretty on point... I've got my hopes.


Aug 15, 2014 at 04:31 PM
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p.19 #19 · OMG - 7D II is coming...


skibum5 wrote:
But CR guys went out on a limb and said these things are what are a given.


I wouldn't bet the farm on these specs having any credibility let alone a "given". If these latest specs are close to reality, then count on this body to be north of $3,000.



Aug 15, 2014 at 04:36 PM
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p.19 #20 · OMG - 7D II is coming...


TeamSpeed wrote:
Even 3200 was very usable on the 7D, I hope to see about a 1 1/3 stop improvement along with "cleaner" noise meaning less of the black dirty spots you would get.

http://teamspeed.smugmug.com/Animals/In-the-Wild-Yonder/i-Lx8Cb7P/0/X2/7D1_7032-X2.jpg

6400 in a pinch

http://teamspeed.smugmug.com/Animals/In-the-Wild-Yonder/i-TmHQPcS/0/X2/IMG_4229a-X2.jpg

12800 when you have no other choice

http://teamspeed.smugmug.com/Still-Life/Macro-Magic/i-zC3tFWr/0/XL/IMG_3905-XL.jpg


Yeah, there are alot of black spots on the Jaguar photo!



Aug 15, 2014 at 04:40 PM
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