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p.9 #1Bailing on the A7r....
michaelwatkins wrote:
They are an important part of our evil plans. 
i always suspected.
sebboh wrote
Canada geese are inherently evil, just look into their cold black eyes.i always suspected.
Dec 09, 2013 at 06:00 PM
p.9 #2Bailing on the A7r....
sebboh wrote:
sorry, no 11x crops. i can assure you though, the lens used isn't sharp at all but the tonal transitions from colored square to colored square look great!
Nice. I'm a little less happy with this colored block photo I shot the other day. There's some kind of vaguely humanoid sensor artifact messing up the tonal transitions. I won't even bother with the 11x crop.
sorry, no 11x crops. i can assure you though, the lens used isn't sharp at all but the tonal transitions from colored square to colored square look great!
Nice. I'm a little less happy with this colored block photo I shot the other day. There's some kind of vaguely humanoid sensor artifact messing up the tonal transitions. I won't even bother with the 11x crop.
Dec 09, 2013 at 06:04 PM
p.9 #3Bailing on the A7r....
itai195 wrote:
Nice. I'm a little less happy with this colored block photo I shot the other day. There's some kind of vaguely humanoid sensor artifact messing up the tonal transitions. I won't even bother with the 11x crop.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2825419/block.jpg
wow! you colored square has become a cube! better get that checked out.
btw, i may need to start referring to my daughter as my vaguely humanoid sensor artifact.
sebboh wrote
sorry, no 11x crops. i can assure you though, the lens used isn't sharp at all but the tonal transitions from colored square to colored square look great!https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2825419/block.jpg
wow! you colored square has become a cube! better get that checked out.
btw, i may need to start referring to my daughter as my vaguely humanoid sensor artifact.
Dec 09, 2013 at 06:14 PM
p.9 #4Bailing on the A7r....
BTW, I have moire in the same spots taken with my original Canon 5D 2 years ago. The difference is that I was using a 24mm lens.
-Tim
tsdevine wrote:
Herein lies a link to the full size version of the image I posted.
It is for standard forum member to member bashing purposes only (or equipment bashing), not for commercial use either for profit or not for profit (except the bashing exclusion.) I retain the sole rights to the image, even if it's undermined by some yet to be determined limitations listed but not limited to the following:
1. Any equipment limitations
2. Any software limitations
3. Any limitations imposed by human involvement in the processing of the image (a.k.a. user error)
It was processed through DxO and I was fiddling with their Prime...Show more →
Dec 09, 2013 at 06:28 PM
p.9 #5Bailing on the A7r....
tsdevine wrote:
Herein lies a link to the full size version of the image I posted.
Here's a 11x crop of a red/green transition.
http://horshack.smugmug.com/photos/i-MHGhVjr/0/O/i-MHGhVjr.jpg
Herein lies a link to the full size version of the image I posted.
Here's a 11x crop of a red/green transition.
http://horshack.smugmug.com/photos/i-MHGhVjr/0/O/i-MHGhVjr.jpg
Dec 09, 2013 at 06:29 PM
p.9 #6Bailing on the A7r....
I admit, I'm a noob when it comes to viewing at 11x. So what is the verdict?
-Tim
Dec 09, 2013 at 06:31 PM
p.9 #7Bailing on the A7r....
tsdevine wrote:
I admit, I'm a noob when it comes to viewing at 11x. So what is the verdict?
-Tim
Haha, I was hoping you would tell me
I'm not even sure what I'm looking for.
I admit, I'm a noob when it comes to viewing at 11x. So what is the verdict?
-Tim
Haha, I was hoping you would tell me
I'm not even sure what I'm looking for.Dec 09, 2013 at 06:32 PM
p.9 #8Bailing on the A7r....
snapsy wrote:
-TimHaha, I was hoping you would tell me I'm not even sure what I'm looking for.
those are definitely colored squares.
tsdevine wrote
I admit, I'm a noob when it comes to viewing at 11x. So what is the verdict?-Tim
I'm not even sure what I'm looking for.those are definitely colored squares.
Dec 09, 2013 at 06:44 PM
p.9 #9Bailing on the A7r....
tsdevine wrote:
Herein lies a link to the full size version of the image I posted.
It is for standard forum member to member bashing purposes only (or equipment bashing), not for commercial use either for profit or not for profit (except the bashing exclusion.) I retain the sole rights to the image, even if it's undermined by some yet to be determined limitations listed but not limited to the following:
1. Any equipment limitations
2. Any software limitations
3. Any limitations imposed by human involvement in the processing of the image (a.k.a. user error)
It was processed through DxO and I was fiddling with their Prime...Show more →
That's good stuff Tim. Not cancelling my order.
I'd love to play with the raw file. Of special interest would be taking down the highlights in the glass globes enough to bring out the pattern in the glass.
Herein lies a link to the full size version of the image I posted.
It is for standard forum member to member bashing purposes only (or equipment bashing), not for commercial use either for profit or not for profit (except the bashing exclusion.) I retain the sole rights to the image, even if it's undermined by some yet to be determined limitations listed but not limited to the following:
1. Any equipment limitations
2. Any software limitations
3. Any limitations imposed by human involvement in the processing of the image (a.k.a. user error)
It was processed through DxO and I was fiddling with their Prime...Show more →
That's good stuff Tim. Not cancelling my order.
I'd love to play with the raw file. Of special interest would be taking down the highlights in the glass globes enough to bring out the pattern in the glass.
Dec 09, 2013 at 06:46 PM
p.9 #10Bailing on the A7r....
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Dec 09, 2013 at 06:52 PM
p.9 #11Bailing on the A7r....
Thanks Max....I had a pit in my stomach posting the full size JPEG (not that it's earth shattering or anything...just don't post full size photos often.) Not sure I want to share the RAW though.
I've had the camera since last Thursday, without a ton of shooting opportunity. I'm still getting used to exposure, coming from a 5D and 5D II I've trained myself to not underexpose. In situations like this I would probably underexpose more than I'm normally comfortable with.
Let alone just getting used to the camera in general. I have to say live view through the EVF and the ability to zoom in is amazing.
-Tim
Dec 09, 2013 at 06:52 PM
p.9 #12Bailing on the A7r....
Yes, pretty sure that's my lens. I noticed the left side (in landscape orientation) is slightly softer than the right. (Haven't decided whether it's worth worrying about though.)
Also, if you read my original post, I had to pull in the one side to correct some perspective distortion. I didn't line things up perfectly when I took the shot.
Either way I'm pretty confident it's not the camera. Could be the adapter I guess, except for the vague impression I had with the left edge beign slightly softer when using the camera on my 5D II.
Looking at this, I'm amazed this lens works at all! (Of course when I think of the price.....)
http://diglloyd.com/blog/2012-index-5.html#20120506_1-Zeiss15-cutaway
I should get extra credit for working a Lloyd Chambers reference into my post.
MaxBerlin wrote:
Tim,
There is less clarity on the ULC than URC - compare the marble steps at the top of the columns.
Left side on the whole seems softer. But less noticeable on lower left
Also, if you read my original post, I had to pull in the one side to correct some perspective distortion. I didn't line things up perfectly when I took the shot.
Either way I'm pretty confident it's not the camera. Could be the adapter I guess, except for the vague impression I had with the left edge beign slightly softer when using the camera on my 5D II.
Looking at this, I'm amazed this lens works at all! (Of course when I think of the price.....)
http://diglloyd.com/blog/2012-index-5.html#20120506_1-Zeiss15-cutaway
I should get extra credit for working a Lloyd Chambers reference into my post.
MaxBerlin wrote:
Tim,
There is less clarity on the ULC than URC - compare the marble steps at the top of the columns.
Left side on the whole seems softer. But less noticeable on lower left
Dec 09, 2013 at 06:58 PM
p.9 #13Bailing on the A7r....
MaxBerlin wrote:
You talk nonsense for 2 days and can't handle a few minutes of someone pointing out that you have no clue what you're talking about (or doing). All I've done is taken the initiative to do what you didn't have the courage to do. Back up your opinion with facts. Post a HQ photo and back up your POV.
Wouldn't you rather just crop one of my 1000px on the long side photos and use it to try to clobber me with again? Maybe you should go troll the Nikon thread for 'OOF photos that we like anyway', and use that one against me. It's a pretty bad shot, technically, and it's from a NEX camera so your point will be cuttingly sharp.
BTW I do think it's very interesting that you take such offense over the one female who disagrees with your opinion and try to attack her rather than anyone else who disagrees with you.
But it's cool. Bring on the mommy issues.
Peace out.
You talk nonsense for 2 days and can't handle a few minutes of someone pointing out that you have no clue what you're talking about (or doing). All I've done is taken the initiative to do what you didn't have the courage to do. Back up your opinion with facts. Post a HQ photo and back up your POV.
Wouldn't you rather just crop one of my 1000px on the long side photos and use it to try to clobber me with again?
Maybe you should go troll the Nikon thread for 'OOF photos that we like anyway', and use that one against me. It's a pretty bad shot, technically, and it's from a NEX camera so your point will be cuttingly sharp.BTW I do think it's very interesting that you take such offense over the one female who disagrees with your opinion and try to attack her rather than anyone else who disagrees with you.
But it's cool. Bring on the mommy issues. Peace out.
Dec 09, 2013 at 07:27 PM
p.9 #14Bailing on the A7r....
Have you tried a 21mm Distagon on the A7r yet ?
That cutaway view is amazing. I went cheap on my UWA and bought the Samyang and Roki and kept the roki after some imatesting.
That cutaway view is amazing. I went cheap on my UWA and bought the Samyang and Roki and kept the roki after some imatesting.
Dec 09, 2013 at 07:30 PM
p.9 #15Bailing on the A7r....
MaxBerlin wrote:
The magenta/green concentric circles can probably be overlooked but still not encouraging.Is this only in the JPEG. I don't have the subscription to the mirrorless section but it seems Lloyd meant the 8-bit lossy compression. That would mean JPEG. It's interesting to know if it also happens in RAW, and I wonder why no one has noticed that before.
And RAW from Sony is compressed, but lossless. This is the same with any Sony cam I think, and I have not seen anyone complains about that.Happens in both raw and jpeg from what I can tell. Even the shading comp 'on' barely mitigates it.
'Lossless' is a marketing term I think. Others (Sigma/Nikon are recording files sizes over 60mb) there is some information being lost.
So why don't you take some shots with tons of detail, process the image, print it large and see if anything is lost for yourself? You are even questioning yourself of what you read, or thought you read about the compression being jpeg only or also in raw. Seems like an almost definite maybe...some solid info to be making purchasing decisions on.
hiepphotog wrote
MaxBerlin wrote
Philber - the worst issue I've seen documented is the 'orange peel' and the banding and pixelation around red/green transition areas.The magenta/green concentric circles can probably be overlooked but still not encouraging.
And RAW from Sony is compressed, but lossless. This is the same with any Sony cam I think, and I have not seen anyone complains about that.
'Lossless' is a marketing term I think. Others (Sigma/Nikon are recording files sizes over 60mb) there is some information being lost.
So why don't you take some shots with tons of detail, process the image, print it large and see if anything is lost for yourself? You are even questioning yourself of what you read, or thought you read about the compression being jpeg only or also in raw. Seems like an almost definite maybe...some solid info to be making purchasing decisions on.
Dec 09, 2013 at 07:34 PM
p.9 #16Bailing on the A7r....
mco_970 wrote:
Wouldn't you rather just crop one of my 1000px on the long side photos and use it to try to clobber me with again? Maybe you should go troll the Nikon thread for 'OOF photos that we like anyway', and use that one against me. It's a pretty bad shot, technically, and it's from a NEX camera so your point will be cuttingly sharp.
BTW I do think it's very interesting that you take such offense over the one female who disagrees with your opinion and try to attack her rather than anyone else who disagrees with you. But...Show more →
And still no photos... other than this impressive catalog of 'pictures'
https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/viewuploads.php?User=192874
MaxBerlin wrote
You talk nonsense for 2 days and can't handle a few minutes of someone pointing out that you have no clue what you're talking about (or doing). All I've done is taken the initiative to do what you didn't have the courage to do. Back up your opinion with facts. Post a HQ photo and back up your POV. Maybe you should go troll the Nikon thread for 'OOF photos that we like anyway', and use that one against me. It's a pretty bad shot, technically, and it's from a NEX camera so your point will be cuttingly sharp.BTW I do think it's very interesting that you take such offense over the one female who disagrees with your opinion and try to attack her rather than anyone else who disagrees with you.
But...Show more →And still no photos... other than this impressive catalog of 'pictures'
https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/viewuploads.php?User=192874
Dec 09, 2013 at 07:36 PM
p.9 #17Bailing on the A7r....
MaxBerlin wrote:
And still no photos... other than this impressive catalog of 'pictures'
https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/viewuploads.php?User=192874
Oh man, thanks for posting that. Dang I've sold a lot of gear (and posted a lot of photos). And shockingly few OOF ducks.
I already told you I am not posting photos on the thread, sorry Max.
And still no photos... other than this impressive catalog of 'pictures'
https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/viewuploads.php?User=192874
Oh man, thanks for posting that. Dang I've sold a lot of gear (and posted a lot of photos).
And shockingly few OOF ducks.I already told you I am not posting photos on the thread, sorry Max.
Dec 09, 2013 at 07:49 PM
p.9 #18Bailing on the A7r....
dswiger wrote:
I don't even have an A7r, although I'm curious about it.
But this thread reminds of what is defective about the internet.
This is becoming like a dpreview cat fight, where unsubstantiated rumor & measurebating/pixel peeping have overshadowed photography as a passtime.
So if I take a LF picture of a bird with vlevia, scan it at 9600 dpi, do I blame the lens, film, the scanner or my monitor if I detect moire??
Nah, make it easy on yourself....blame yourself.
I don't even have an A7r, although I'm curious about it.
But this thread reminds of what is defective about the internet.
This is becoming like a dpreview cat fight, where unsubstantiated rumor & measurebating/pixel peeping have overshadowed photography as a passtime.
So if I take a LF picture of a bird with vlevia, scan it at 9600 dpi, do I blame the lens, film, the scanner or my monitor if I detect moire??
Nah, make it easy on yourself....blame yourself.
Dec 09, 2013 at 07:51 PM
p.9 #19Bailing on the A7r....
tsdevine wrote:
I admit, I'm a noob when it comes to viewing at 11x. So what is the verdict?
-Tim
Consider yourself lucky. You pass the world of photographer and enter the world of measurbator once you start obsessing with 11x viewing.
I admit, I'm a noob when it comes to viewing at 11x. So what is the verdict?
-Tim
Consider yourself lucky. You pass the world of photographer and enter the world of measurbator once you start obsessing with 11x viewing.
Dec 09, 2013 at 07:55 PM
p.9 #20Bailing on the A7r....
mco_970 wrote:
Oh man, thanks for posting that. Dang I've sold a lot of gear (and posted a lot of photos). And shockingly few OOF ducks.
So OOF they look like geese.
Oh man, thanks for posting that. Dang I've sold a lot of gear (and posted a lot of photos).
And shockingly few OOF ducks.So OOF they look like geese.
Dec 09, 2013 at 08:03 PM