Well if someone used a 58G and his photos were used by Nikon that wouldn't give that person any more leeway to go about running down the technical imperfections of other lenses or maybe the downsides to owning an Otus to shoot what they want to shoot.
In all honesty and as mentioned, there's nothing special about the shots you took. The bokeh isn't creamy enough and they just don't have the oomph. On top of that the Otus is huge and I'd never bring that out. It's too technically perfect it's almost too clinical for my use. I want something more human, something when I see a picture taken by it I immediately recognise this distinct lens signature. The 58G (and the 58 1.2 Noct), in my eyes, have that. Therefore, the Otus is a bad lens. Plus there is sample variation.
Am I being a hypocrite?
Go enjoy your Otus. Everyone else is still going to enjoy the 58G and enjoy the images in this thread. And without a hint of sarcasm, it's great Zeiss recognised and used your images.
Having followed this thread from the beginning my conclusion is that the 58g is a lens that truly sorts the men from the boys. Not only in technique but processing.
Those who have nailed it have a gem on their hands but lesser people like me should just sit back and admire
This is not a creative shot, but I thought I would post this hanheld shot of a painting I saw at an art show, this was the .jpg out if the camera and for me is an example of what I like about this lens.
Lol... I'm shocked that people still argue that the 58G is not sharp and hence not a good lens.
Seriously... 58G is a great lens. It pretty much replicated the look of the legendary Noct and gave it AF. What's more to ask? Sure it's not F1.2, but I believe it's a justifiable trade-off given the complexity and cost it would involve to make it F1.2. And it produces a rendition unlike ANY other lens in the market (well, except the noct)
I have had my share of experience with standard lenses: Otus, Canon 50 F1.0L, all 3 dif. apertures of Leica Noctilux, Zunow and Nikon 50mm F1.1, Fujinon 5cm F1.2, Konica Hexanon 60mm F1.2, Kinopitk 50APO, Leica 50APO, Noct, 58G... and more. The Otus might be the sharpest, (it's actually arguable.. Kinoptik 50APO is sharper IMO although it's F2) but it's certainly not the most desirable.
It's not about bashing Otus either, it's a great lens. But not a lens worth having IMO because its rendition is too sterile. It's sharp... but not much else. If sharpness is what you are looking, Otus is great. But an Otus would never give you the rendition of a 58G, or any other standard lens for the matter. It would only give you that rendition of an Otus. And when it comes to photography, doesn't matter how one use it for, experience with them. Sharpness is not everything... Cartier-Bresson's works were hardly ever sharp... yet his pictures have inspired people worldwide for decades.
mysh wrote:
Yes I did AF fine tune at +15 with a D810. I will try again and try a different method. I have seen the method that doesn't require shots and done with manual focusing. I have wanted to give it a try
When I shoot with this lens at 1.4-2.8ish near my subject or at MFD I always use the center focus point, you almost have to. As you back up or stop down the sweet spot gets bigger and bigger and you can start to focus on other sides of the frame.
Can you give us some insight into how you AF tuned the lens? As a test you should go outside, use a tripod and using the center AF point aim at something stagnate like a bottle at MFD and shoot at the text at 1.4. The text in the middle of the frame should be very sharp with quick fall off from whatever is outside of the dead center of the frame.
Personally I feel like this lens requires the most TLC out of all of my lenses to get what I consider acceptable results.This lens is tricky to use and get use to but after you get it down the results are unmatched.
Mine wasn't all that sharp. My 85mm f/1.4G is much sharper. DXO only gave the 58mm f/1.4 G a sharpness level of:
25mpix & a score of 30 with a D810
The Nikon 85mm f/1.4G got a score of 42 with sharpness level of 30mpix with a D810.
So, the 85mm is better. I prefer the FL of the 85 over the 58. The 58mm is nice, the sigma 50 is sharper though. Anyway, I'm not posting this to start an argument, just going by what I've seen personally.
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azenis wrote:
Lol... I'm shocked that people still argue that the 58G is not sharp and hence not a good lens.
Seriously... 58G is a great lens. It pretty much replicated the look of the legendary Noct and gave it AF. What's more to ask? Sure it's not F1.2, but I believe it's a justifiable trade-off given the complexity and cost it would involve to make it F1.2. And it produces a rendition unlike ANY other lens in the market (well, except the noct)
I have had my share of experience with standard lenses: Otus, Canon 50 F1.0L, all 3 dif. apertures of Leica Noctilux, Zunow and Nikon 50mm F1.1, Fujinon 5cm F1.2, Konica Hexanon 60mm F1.2, Kinopitk 50APO, Leica 50APO, Noct, 58G... and more. The Otus might be the sharpest, (it's actually arguable.. Kinoptik 50APO is sharper IMO although it's F2) but it's certainly not the most desirable.
It's not about bashing Otus either, it's a great lens. But not a lens worth having IMO because its rendition is too sterile. It's sharp... but not much else. If sharpness is what you are looking, Otus is great. But an Otus would never give you the rendition of a 58G, or any other standard lens for the matter. It would only give you that rendition of an Otus. And when it comes to photography, doesn't matter how one use it for, experience with them. Sharpness is not everything... Cartier-Bresson's works were hardly ever sharp... yet his pictures have inspired people worldwide for decades....Show more →
Mine wasn't all that sharp. My 85mm f/1.4G is much sharper. DXO only gave the 58mm f/1.4 G a sharpness level of:
25mpix & a score of 30 with a D810
The Nikon 85mm f/1.4G got a score of 42 with sharpness level of 30mpix with a D810.
So, the 85mm is better. I prefer the FL of the 85 over the 58. The 58mm is nice, the sigma 50 is sharper though. Anyway, I'm not posting this to start an argument, just going by what I've seen personally.
Of course all of the posted photos from the 58mm look tack sharp, they all do when the image is resized to a much smaller image. The RAW full size images aren't that sharp.
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azenis wrote:
Lol... I'm shocked that people still argue that the 58G is not sharp and hence not a good lens.
Seriously... 58G is a great lens. It pretty much replicated the look of the legendary Noct and gave it AF. What's more to ask? Sure it's not F1.2, but I believe it's a justifiable trade-off given the complexity and cost it would involve to make it F1.2. And it produces a rendition unlike ANY other lens in the market (well, except the noct)
I have had my share of experience with standard lenses: Otus, Canon 50 F1.0L, all 3 dif. apertures of Leica Noctilux, Zunow and Nikon 50mm F1.1, Fujinon 5cm F1.2, Konica Hexanon 60mm F1.2, Kinopitk 50APO, Leica 50APO, Noct, 58G... and more. The Otus might be the sharpest, (it's actually arguable.. Kinoptik 50APO is sharper IMO although it's F2) but it's certainly not the most desirable.
It's not about bashing Otus either, it's a great lens. But not a lens worth having IMO because its rendition is too sterile. It's sharp... but not much else. If sharpness is what you are looking, Otus is great. But an Otus would never give you the rendition of a 58G, or any other standard lens for the matter. It would only give you that rendition of an Otus. And when it comes to photography, doesn't matter how one use it for, experience with them. Sharpness is not everything... Cartier-Bresson's works were hardly ever sharp... yet his pictures have inspired people worldwide for decades....Show more →
300% crop from the photo above which was shot at f/1.6 (I'm sure my wife would love that I posted that )
Resulting dimensions from D810 are 436 x 289 ppi
Yes, I've seen sharper...but it surely gets me plenty of detail for almost any print. I appreciate that you tried the lens and it wasn't your cup of tea, but mines staying in my bag right along side my 85g, and the 58 gets used more often.
Guys, seriously, wasting time to defend this lens to people who don't get it is almost as bad as those who come in here to bash it. Just shoot and enjoy
The wife and I went to Punta Cana recently for our honeymoon. One afternoon we were in a private cabana on the beach and lo and behold this wedding goes down right next to us, so of course I had to snap some shots. Good thing I brought my D810 and 58mm to the cabana with me that day.
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