p.9 #2 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
Sven Jeppesen wrote:
No it's not at all the same difference as between a 1DX and 5D. And you know that. A FF Canon body is about 300 gr more than the new Sony body. And when using your Canon lenses like you wrote, then you have to add the weight of the Metabones adapter or other adapter to the Sony combo.
Canon's 5D III (950g) and 6D (770g) are substantially heavier than the Sony a7r (475g)
The Canon 6D is about 62% heavier than the Sony a7r.
The Canon 5D Mark III is 100% heavier than the Sony a7r...
Does anyone know the weight of the Metabones Smart III adapter? It can't be much since there is no glass!
p.9 #3 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
Amazon states it's shipping weight at 8 ounces...it comes boxed with front and back lens caps; box size is 4x4x2 inches.
'The Metabones Canon EF Lens to Sony NEX Smart Adapter (Mark III) features robust build quality and outstanding finish. Both camera-side and lens-side of the adapter is made of brass, precision-machined and plated with chromium.'
p.9 #4 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
Looking at the photos of the new Sonys the body size reminds me of my good old Pentax ME Super of yesteryear. It would be fantastic to return to a such small full frame body, even if lenses don't shrink proportionally. The overall package will still be smaller.
In relation to the adaptors allowing Canikon lenses to mount on the A7 I agree they are an extra expense, but they only have to be bought once, and it may well be worthwhile to buy the freedom to choose the best of any future Canon or Sony FF body.
Yes, I understand that some photographers will need the absolutely best AF possible, which may not be achievable on an A7 with ALT glass. However lots of us photograph relatively static subjects, and shouldn't have any problem with the Sony/ALT approach. I've been using some legacy Nikon glass on my Canon with adaptors, with no difficulties, so the process doesn't faze me. YMMV.
No one is trying to convince anyone else that using their Canikon lenses on an A7 will always be the best possible solution, I am just praying that the Sony reviews will show that Canikon glass will give great results on the A7s if used carefully and on appropriate subjects. I personally would love to be able to choose the best body from two competing systems, rather than just waiting for an incremental update to the 5D series every three or four years. I have to say that I feel a bit overlooked by Canon in the last few years, it may well be that Sony will offer me more.
The A7 release, for existing Canikon users at least, is about freedom to choose a different brand without having to take a bath on selling lenses. And that freedom is unexpected, and something to shout about.
p.9 #6 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
StillFingerz wrote:
Amazon states it's shipping weight at 8 ounces...it comes boxed with front and back lens caps; box size is 4x4x2 inches.
'The Metabones Canon EF Lens to Sony NEX Smart Adapter (Mark III) features robust build quality and outstanding finish. Both camera-side and lens-side of the adapter is made of brass, precision-machined and plated with chromium.'
That's the shipping weight including packaging, box, etc..
My guess is that the Metabones adapter is around 50 grams...
p.9 #7 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
Fred Miranda wrote:
Canon's 5D III (950g) and 6D (770g) are substantially heavier than the Sony a7r (475g)
The Canon 6D is about 62% heavier than the Sony a7r.
The Canon 5D Mark III is 100% heavier than the Sony a7r...
Does anyone know the weight of the Metabones Smart III adapter? It can't be much since there is no glass!
My EOS-M4/3 adapter weighs 60g and the MB E-EF is likely a bit more with a few electronics and a foot. In any case, the 1Dx weighs 1540 g with battery and knowing Canon that body is where they'd introduce such a "niche sensor:
p.9 #8 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
StillFingerz wrote:
Amazon states it's shipping weight at 8 ounces...it comes boxed with front and back lens caps; box size is 4x4x2 inches.
'The Metabones Canon EF Lens to Sony NEX Smart Adapter (Mark III) features robust build quality and outstanding finish. Both camera-side and lens-side of the adapter is made of brass, precision-machined and plated with chromium.'
Fred Miranda wrote:
That's the shipping weight including packaging, box, etc..
My guess is that the Metabones adapter is around 50 grams...
A Canon 25mm extension tube weighs 90g, so I think the metabones will be more than that with an adapter and A-S foot.
p.9 #10 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
EB-1 wrote:
A Canon 25mm extension tube weighs 90g, so I think the metabones will be more than that with an adapter and A-S foot.
EBH
Seems spot on EB, my 25mm gets used often on a 300 f4L, looks close to the same size...perhaps this adapter could be lighter depending on materials used... Whatever the weight, this and the new Sony bodies at first glance look very interesting, glad I've not grabbed an EOS M just yet, we'll see, can't seem to beat Sony's sensor IQ/DR and with a smallish body...could be quite nice
p.9 #11 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
EB-1 wrote:
The A7r and adapter are $2700. It's not a lot less than a 5D III for example.
EBH
But it offers 36MP and even more importantly, especially since the 36MP will be mostly about landscape details and not also wildlife reach due to the AF (although plenty of wildlife does sit around then again so....), about the DR combined with Canon glass.
It's certainly not a 5D3 replacement or as awesome as if it was included in a single all-around Canon 5D4 or something (or if the 5D3 had had more DR at ISO100). If you also do video and action and lots of general stuff where AF and speed matter even more than DR then it certainly wouldn't be the only camera you'd want. But at least if you are desperate for more DR (and/or more MP) you can get it now without having to swap systems or get a Nikon and a few Nikon lenses (also easier to carry two small bodies like this and two sets of lenses at once).
It's arriving just as my main shooting season winds down and I've also spent what I can spend for this year for this sort of thing so I'm not jumping on it now. If I was on the West Coast or if it had arrived before the fall foliage season here (or before I bought other stuff not expecting anything interesting to arrive camera-wise the latter half of this year) it sure would be tempting though. I will see what Canon announces in the Spring. If they have nothing with more DR then I guess I'd nab one of these then instead and use that until Canon eventually gets on board again in another 1,2,3,4,5.... years. My 5D3 stays for the amazing video (used with ML RAW) and for all the action and performance shooting.
Anyway at least we have, assuming the adapter doesn't misalign all the wides into messes, some solution now more effective and infinitely more practical than whining about lack of DR availability and trying to wake Canon up , if you use Canon lenses. Sure it's not ideal, but it is certainly something all the same, we have an option other than to totally abandon ship or sit around and complain now, now we can just go out and nab an A7R+adapter instead. So that is pretty awesome.
p.9 #12 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
David Baldwin wrote:
Looking at the photos of the new Sonys the body size reminds me of my good old Pentax ME Super of yesteryear. It would be fantastic to return to a such small full frame body...
Not going to join the whole "Sony FF Mirrorless is the Miracle That Will Save Us!" versus "Sony Produces Junk and No Real Photographer Would Use One!" debate...
... but I agree about the attraction of those smaller old 35mm cameras like the Pentax ME and MX.
p.9 #13 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
If there is a gripe about Sony, it's that they stopped producing DSLRs- it's not like they didn't know how to do it right. Imagine an A950 with this sensor and processor combination.
p.9 #14 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
Who knows what Sony will do in the long term. I expected them to drop out of the serious equipment long ago. The limited selection of long teles removed my interest back in the Minolta days.
p.9 #15 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
skibum5 wrote:
Man is that heavy-handed, ugly NR. I don't know why NR is such an obsession. Look at all the blu-ray titles that got ruined by over the top NR. Kundun literally looks like cel animation (all-time worst NR on any title ever)!
Canon has gone over the top too, even on NR off it is sometimes still a bit heavy (for sure at the lower ISOs).
Can't judge anything about noise, then again I imagine for a Canon user the only point in this is ISO100, so, whatever.
If you have the misfortune to own a Sony smartphone, you'll know all to well how heavy handed they are. How a camera company can get it so wrong is beyond belief. What's equally strange is Nikon gets better results from the Sony sensors than Sony do.
p.9 #16 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
EB-1 wrote:
The A7r and adapter are $2700. It's not a lot less than a 5D III for example.
EBH
In real life it would be even more than those $ 2700. I would have to buy a couple of batteries because of it's short battery life. And also invest in a new kind of memory cards. (I use CF)
p.9 #17 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
It will also be very interesting to see how these FF bodies work with adapters. If you have been reading Roger Cicalas blog and "There Is No Free Lunch, Episode : Lens Adapters"
He say adapters work much better when adapting a larger format lens to a smaller format camera (full-frame lens to Micro 4/3 or APS-C camera). And even then he say There is no free lunch. Here it will be FF adapting to FF. So it will be worse results.
p.9 #18 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
Amount of lights flux should be the same since this adapter is nothing more than an extra thickness added to emulate the EOS chamber for the EF lenses.
p.9 #19 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
mttran wrote:
Amount of lights flux should be the same since this adapter is nothing more than an extra thickness added to emulate the EOS chamber for the EF lenses.
You have not been reading about adapters on Roger website or
