p.60 #3 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
tsdevine wrote:
Generally (other than 4/3rds and such) manufacturers want a proprietary mount. The want people to buy the camera and then buy their lenses. My guess is that if Sony would sell EF mount cameras, they wouldn't get any lens sales (unless they also started making EF mount lenses) as people would buy Canon, Sigma, Tokina, Tamron, Zeiss, etc EF mount lenses.
Kodak was the last company to make an EF mount stills camera AFAIK.
I would have considered an EF mount Sigma SD1 at one time....if they produced it in EF mount...but of course they have SA mount. The funny thing is it's extremely close in design (from what I understand) to the EF mount but you still can't mount an EF lens on it.
IIRC, Sigma SA mount is mechanically some kind of Pentax mount with the Canon EOS lens+camera protocol. I vaguely remember some people putting rear SA lens mount onto EF lens and using it with Sigma cameras. However, the USM lenses were too fast for the Sigma cameras' AF of that time.
p.60 #4 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
Beni wrote:
For all that I'd kill for an A7r and selling off my canon would easily pay for it, I just can't get past the fact that my 5D3 will AF all of my lenses in under a second. I just can't see that I can get close to that with manual focus on a fast lens even with peaking. It's the only thing holding me back, I'd love to drop the sensor in the 5D3 and the weight/size. I'm a wide open shooter and shoot people. When I asked about using peaking on the NEX cameras on the ALT board the consensus was it isn't good enough for f1.4 and a slower wide will be really hard to focus with peaking. ...Show more →
So far the AF reports have been very disappointing to me. Perhaps this will improve with firmware releases, but it seems that this system currently isn't aimed at those wanting AF speed/tracking performance. There are lots of happy landscape, architecture, fine art and model shooters though! I'm more inclined to pick up an XE-2 for a smaller travel camera, although I'm also keen to see what FF (if any) Fuji release next year...
p.60 #5 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
Lars Johnsson wrote:
Yes it say that Canon lenses are so popular that a lot of people with other camera brands prefer Canon lenses intead of their native lenes
It simply says that people buy the Sony A7(R) cameras and continue to use their existing lens gear. The Sony A7 series was never developed to focus on Sony lenses only. Instead Sony was clever and found a market gap especially in Canon land.
A7R+batteries+metabones+Lbracket+remote+charger on order !
Will try to write a mini review with my Canon lenses once I got it, maybe mid december (time to understand it all !)
Waited Canon for too long, will see when 1DXs is real ...
Nov 22, 2013 at 09:13 AM
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p.60 #7 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
retrofocus wrote:
It simply says that people buy the Sony A7(R) cameras and continue to use their existing lens gear. The Sony A7 series was never developed to focus on Sony lenses only. Instead Sony was clever and found a market gap especially in Canon land.
They where selling the Metabones adapter a long time before Sony even announced the A7 and A7R And people used it together with 10-15 other cameras
p.60 #8 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
Lars Johnsson wrote:
They where selling the Metabones adapter a long time before Sony even announced the A7 and A7R And people used it together with 10-15 other cameras
Sure - but now the demand is very high for the Metabones adapter since it allows especially Canon users now to get a camera with a very good modern sensor using their existing Canon lens gear. You could still use the adapter before with Canon lenses on other cameras, but the advantage was simply not there to do so because the sensor in alternative cameras was similar/worse or the same as in Canon DSLRs. Totally different story now.
Get over with the fact that the demand for a better sensor is huge and Canon simply doesn't offer this option.
p.60 #9 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
I bought my metabones adapter to use with the A7r. Course, I don't have an A7r yet.....hopefully in 10 days to 2 weeks. Sigh....
Nov 22, 2013 at 11:30 AM
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p.60 #10 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
retrofocus wrote:
Sure - but now the demand is very high for the Metabones adapter since it allows especially Canon users now to get a camera with a very good modern sensor using their existing Canon lens gear. You could still use the adapter before with Canon lenses on other cameras, but the advantage was simply not there to do so because the sensor in alternative cameras was similar/worse or the same as in Canon DSLRs. Totally different story now.
Get over with the fact that the demand for a better sensor is huge and Canon simply doesn't offer this option.
I'm probably buying the A7R.And I have posted that about 5 times already. But you don't get it. You so into your usual Canon whining that you don't understand it.................
And the advantage where there already before these two bodies. If people didn't think so then he wouldn't sell so good already before the new Sony
p.60 #12 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
retrofocus wrote:
Sure - but now the demand is very high for the Metabones adapter since it allows especially Canon users now to get a camera with a very good modern sensor using their existing Canon lens gear. You could still use the adapter before with Canon lenses on other cameras, but the advantage was simply not there to do so because the sensor in alternative cameras was similar/worse or the same as in Canon DSLRs. Totally different story now.
Get over with the fact that the demand for a better sensor is huge and Canon simply doesn't offer this option.
What is 'huge'. How many adapters do you think metabones stocks, 1000 maybe 5000?? Is that 'huge' if they sold all of them? You have inside knowledge of how pre orders are going, so maybe you could tell us how many are spoken for already.
And, what was wrong with the sensors in the NEX line of cameras and video cameras? Same exxmor sensors that are superior to Canon crap.
Nov 22, 2013 at 12:12 PM
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p.60 #13 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
jctriguy wrote:
What is 'huge'. How many adapters do you think metabones stocks, 1000 maybe 5000?? Is that 'huge' if they sold all of them? You have inside knowledge of how pre orders are going, so maybe you could tell us how many are spoken for already.
And, what was wrong with the sensors in the NEX line of cameras and video cameras? Same exxmor sensors that are superior to Canon crap.
+1
suddenly the Sony sensors that everyone where praising a couple of months ago are crap, and have no advantage any longer
p.60 #14 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
Lars Johnsson wrote:
+1
suddenly the Sony sensors that everyone where praising a couple of months ago are crap, and have no advantage any longer
I never said that other sensors are crap, just that Canon does not have anything close to the sensor built in the A7 models. The NEX cameras (other than the camcoder camera for > $3K) also have no FF Exmor sensors - very different from the A7(R) sensors. Only now the A7(R) FF cameras open a new direction towards people who want to use their existing lens gear with this sensor. This is why the demand for adapters is and will be high.
p.60 #15 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
jctriguy wrote:
What is 'huge'. How many adapters do you think metabones stocks, 1000 maybe 5000?? Is that 'huge' if they sold all of them? You have inside knowledge of how pre orders are going, so maybe you could tell us how many are spoken for already.
And, what was wrong with the sensors in the NEX line of cameras and video cameras? Same exxmor sensors that are superior to Canon crap.
Many reports out saying the preorders for the A7 and A7R exceeded what was expected by Sony. How much that is, I don;t know.
Nov 22, 2013 at 12:54 PM
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p.60 #16 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
retrofocus wrote:
I never said that other sensors are crap, just that Canon does not have anything close to the sensor built in the A7 models. The NEX cameras (other than the camcoder camera for > $3K) also have no FF Exmor sensors - very different from the A7(R) sensors. Only now the A7(R) FF cameras open a new direction towards people who want to use their existing lens gear with this sensor. This is why the demand for adapters is and will be high.
You wrote this about the Sony sensors:
"but the advantage was simply not there to do so because the sensor in alternative cameras was similar/worse or the same as in Canon DSLRs"
p.60 #17 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
chez wrote:
Many reports out saying the preorders for the A7 and A7R exceeded what was expected by Sony. How much that is, I don;t know.
I guess we will find out when they hit more stores. If they are sold out for months, the reports were probably true. Otherwise, maybe just marketing spin from Sony.
p.60 #18 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
jctriguy wrote:
I guess we will find out when they hit more stores. If they are sold out for months, the reports were probably true. Otherwise, maybe just marketing spin from Sony.
One of the reports is by Amazon. I don't believe it is marketing spin.
