Thanks for the link! Honestly, as expected I would say. Same sensor as in the D800(E) leads to the same/very similar results. And that it beats sensor-wise the MkIII is clear. Interesting read still! Excellent small performer !
p.26 #9 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
Right but if the question is DR (which is what I assumed we were talking about), then what does it matter as long as a good lens was used on either camera We can see how the shadows lift without identical lenses.
Since I shoot both systems, I can tell you from first hand experience the difference is real and easily seen, regardless of the lens used.
p.26 #10 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
You're probably quite right. OTOH, I'm really looking forward to seeing the results with Canon TS-E 17/4L, TS-E 24/3.5L II, and EF 135/2; Zeiss Contax 28/2.8 and 100/3.5, Zeiss ZE 18/3.5 and 50/2; and, Mamiya 645 C 80/2.8N, A 120/4 Macro, A 150/2.8, and A 200/2.8 APO. It might be a while before all of these are tested and the results published...
p.26 #11 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
I'm still sort of interested in the A7 (not r), but I would like more native mount AF lenses. So I'll be keeping an eye on things next year. I've pretty much decided to go for a 5D3 next though.
p.26 #12 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
jcolwell wrote:
You're probably quite right. OTOH, I'm really looking forward to seeing the results with Canon TS-E 17/4L, TS-E 24/3.5L II, and EF 135/2; Zeiss Contax 28/2.8 and 100/3.5, Zeiss ZE 18/3.5 and 50/2; and, Mamiya 645 C 80/2.8N, A 120/4 Macro, A 150/2.8, and A 200/2.8 APO. It might be a while before all of these are tested and the results published...
Maybe I should get one.
+1 from me, Jim and all. Worse case, we can Ebay/CL A7(r) off in no time. Photography is all about exploring fun... we can't loose here...beside, it is dirt cheap with top sensor + universal mount for all alt lenses. Different tools for different games, why listen to toooooo many negative remarks in this thread. Let have some EF fun after all
p.26 #15 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
retrofocus wrote:
Thanks for the link! Honestly, as expected I would say. Same sensor as in the D800(E) leads to the same/very similar results. And that it beats sensor-wise the MkIII is clear. Interesting read still! Excellent small performer !
Damning for Canon to see highest rating for overall sensor performance at 21st for 1DX and 22nd for 6D and 24th for 5D III, but for landscape DR, Canon sits at 76th place for 6D.
Not sure why the Sony's DR is a bit less than the D800 and is only 8th best, although it's a minor difference.
p.26 #16 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
Pixel Perfect wrote:
Damning for Canon to see highest rating for overall sensor performance at 21nd for 1DX and 22nd for 6D and 24th for 5D III, but for landscape DR, Canon sits at 76th place for 6D.
Canon tries to break their own record in 7th straight years...i guess hope they get tired of this winning bowl.
p.26 #17 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
jcolwell wrote:
It must be time for eosfun to pipe in.
Hi Jim, Yes you are right, I am having a lot of EOSfun reading all these A7/A7r comments.
I am very busy at the moment with my job, that's why I haven't been able to thoroughly comment on this groundbreaking market development yet, but I will take my time with my vision on these cameras and Canon as soon as possible. I am a bit surprised that I haven't seen anyone making the analysis of Sony being the succesful "open camera" manufacturer taking a position in the market that brings them back in a comfortable business seat. The new strategy for Sony is very uncommon for them, since there haven't been a lot more companies being more proprietary than Sony has been the past two decades. But their new strategy is unexpectedly succesful in the cameramarket and is more futureproof than any other camera manufacturer's strategy imo. In some way Sony takes a part of the position that Kodak left behind after their banktruptcy, while Canon and Nikon are losing ground and see their core business assets rapidly become aging means of production. At the same time niche players like Olympus, Fuji, Ricoh/Pentax, Panasonic, a.o. are in great trouble because of lack of scale or specific managerial / investement troubles. Anyway I'll come back on the A7/A7r and other future Sony's new full frame offerings for the enthusiast photographer asap. In the meantime have EOSfun
p.26 #19 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
For action where I typically am using ISO 400-ISO much higher, you'll have no DR advantage with the Sony, just like the Nikon. The huge DR is at base ISO, so for landscape, architecture, studio portraits, maybe some macro, but unless you've got very good light and stick at base ISO or so, no DR improvement. You do get gobs of pixels, but A7R is not going to win many sports photo or action wildlife awards. A pelican waddling toward you should be fair game however. Also you'd need Sony native glass to have any chance of AF prowess, adapted glass will remain pretty slow, think non 70D LV performance.
A7 might should be better in servo mode, with it's hybrid AF, but alas not on the A7R.
p.26 #20 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
Why are people talking about the A7r autofocus? Remember the 5D2 when it was released? Remember the fanboys stating AF didn't matter because it was all about the 5D2 sensor? "don't blame your tool" . Well, the A7 is no different. The Sony is just as groundbreaking as the 5D2 when it was released when you consider it's price point. The 5D2 was not a sports camera, and neither is the Sony.
Not to mention, it happens to be about $6000 cheaper than any Canon 1DS4 would cost with a sensor that can't compete.
Canon better start figuring out how to put the A7r sensor in the 5D4, cause they are getting their ass kicked now. Canon will have to stop the crippling and gouging now, thanks Sony!
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kidding aside, imo - every canon shooter benefits with this A7(7) offer
We can see how the shadows lift without identical lenses. 
