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p.95 #1 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless


It is possible to assign the "Deactivate Monitor" function to a button. I was hoping it would help reduce the power consumption, but it seems not. Just a quick and dirty test on that, in both cases the battery drained 5% in 10 minutes stand-by time.
The LCD is not completely turned off, you can still read the basic settings at the bottom.

When the Viewfinder is activated by the proximity detector, there is no adjustment delay. It seems that the sensor is being read continuously even if both the LCD and the VF is off.

If you use the menu function to disable the LCD altogether, I have found no way to get it on agion without going through the menu, and then ypou have to use the VF.

There is clearly room for improvements in firmware for better power saving options.



Nov 28, 2013 at 04:56 AM
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p.95 #2 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless


Is there a delay for the viewfinder to turn on? That is the most irritating thing about the NEX-7.


Nov 28, 2013 at 05:41 AM
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p.95 #3 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless


sflxn wrote:
Is there a delay for the viewfinder to turn on? That is the most irritating thing about the NEX-7.


A fraction of a second. Barely noticeable, certainly not irritating.



Nov 28, 2013 at 06:02 AM
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p.95 #4 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless


Thanks guys - sounds promising! But if I want to review an image that I have taken, with the LCD turned off, can I only view the image in the EVF? Or is it possible to review the image on the LCD without having to dive into the menue?


Nov 28, 2013 at 09:14 AM
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p.95 #5 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless


You can always set one of your customizable buttons to switch on/off the display if you want to.


Nov 28, 2013 at 02:05 PM
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p.95 #6 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless


Thanks!



Nov 28, 2013 at 02:27 PM
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p.95 #7 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless


One question; when using the camera(s) with a native lens - does the camera then always meter the light and focus with the lens at the working aperture?
(With working aperture I'm thinking of the aperture value set by the user (in A and M mode). That's what I hope for, and what I'm used to from the RX1.)



Nov 28, 2013 at 02:41 PM
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p.95 #8 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless


Jonas B wrote:
One question; when using the camera(s) with a native lens - does the camera then always meter the light and focus with the lens at the working aperture?
(With working aperture I'm thinking of the aperture value set by the user (in A and M mode). That's what I hope for, and what I'm used to from the RX1.)


It focuses wide open. It behaves like the nex-7. I suppose it then stops down after achieving focus lock.



Nov 28, 2013 at 02:54 PM
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p.95 #9 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless


Just received a notice from B&H that the A7 body only is now in stock. Don't know if this has been mentioned as previously they only had the kits available.


Nov 28, 2013 at 02:56 PM
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p.95 #10 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless


Jonas B wrote:
One question; when using the camera(s) with a native lens - does the camera then always meter the light and focus with the lens at the working aperture?
(With working aperture I'm thinking of the aperture value set by the user (in A and M mode). That's what I hope for, and what I'm used to from the RX1.)


Mentioned this in another thread, and I know it isn't quite what you're asking -- but one of my minor gripes is that it stops metering if you're zoomed it via Focus Assist. So, if you're zoomed in, and turn the aperture ring, the EVF will get brighter or darker -- but if you're zoomed out, and turn the aperture ring, brightness remains fairly constant.



Nov 28, 2013 at 03:15 PM
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ken.vs.ryu wrote:
It focuses wide open. It behaves like the nex-7. I suppose it then stops down after achieving focus lock.


Thank you.

Hmm. That sounds odd but nothing is impossible. Hey, wait a minute... you "suppose" it stops down after having locked focus? Isn't it possible to see how the aperture mechanism behaves?

The RX-1, in A and M mode, stops the lens down as the aperture is set (by turning the aperture ring). It meters the light all the time at working aperture. Then it autofocuses without opening the aperture when pressing the AF button (or half press the shutter release, whatever you have told the camera to do. Also, when engaging enlarged view the aperture blades are kept at the working aperture. I have come to like this behaviour a lot as it means I always get what I see.

If you have the chance, please re-check how the camera and lens behaves.



Nov 28, 2013 at 03:24 PM
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turnstyle wrote:
Mentioned this in another thread, and I know it isn't quite what you're asking -- but one of my minor gripes is that it stops metering if you're zoomed it via Focus Assist. So, if you're zoomed in, and turn the aperture ring, the EVF will get brighter or darker -- but if you're zoomed out, and turn the aperture ring, brightness remains fairly constant.


...and I agree; it's not what I asked I also agree it would have been even better if the camera kept metering the light all the time. I can't say this has been a problem in real world use for me though. (I assume we are talking about the RX1 here.)

Further... I have a long list of things the RX1 could have been and done differently... There is always something you know. Cheers.



Nov 28, 2013 at 03:28 PM
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p.95 #13 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless


Focus magnification is just that - a method of setting focus after which most photographers will simply return to the full screen view and set up their shot or shoot.

Most exposure systems use various cues from across the frame, but permit the old centre weighted arrangement or spot metering. To meter in real time a variable patch of screen real estate, user changable in a moment, with very likely deleterious effects on responsiveness - metering has to remain active too.

Many users are already having trouble with the Alpha menus and this would complicate matters further.

On brightness on FA, changing aperture will change every part of the image not just the magnified part. It may be better if the camera does not adjust for perhaps just 5% of the image. You can imagine that the only object of interest is that focus assisted on but which is not ideal for exposure setting - you may focus on an eye, but want the whole face rendered well, for example.

It's only focus assist, not intended to show aperture change or exposure, which are mostly 'all of frame' issues in photography. fixed.

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Nov 28, 2013 at 03:56 PM
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p.95 #14 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless


I disagree. Why should the camera stop metering just because you zoomed in?

I'll note that it also continues to meter when you enter Focus Assist mode (where you see the orange rectangle) if you're feeling semantic. Plus aperture certainly has a relationship to focus.

PS: I'm not suggesting that the meter should adjust to what you see within the zoomed in region -- it should still meter the full scene -- and it should keep metering the full scene while you're zoomed in.



Nov 28, 2013 at 04:13 PM
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philip_pj wrote:
Focus magnification is just that - an excellent method of setting focus - two levels - after which most sensible photographers will simply return to the full screen view and set up their shot or shoot.

Cameras have another facility called exposure. Most of the sophisticated systems use various cues from across the frame, but permit the old centre weighted arrangement or spot metering.

To meter in real time a variable patch of screen real estate, user changable in a moment, with very likely deleterious effects on responsiveness - metering has to remain active or you will gripe about that too.
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I'm not sure you are talking to me Philip. Maybe you are, judging by the topic. If you are talking to me you are assuming too much about my preferences and wishes. You are also deciding, for everyone it seems, what what "sensible shooting" is.
That's something. I also feel a bit strange thinking about the impression I must have given you; I'm obviously such an idiot that you have to explain everything for me... what focus magnification is made for, that there is a facility called exposure, that I'm whining about stuff I don't understand about, that I ask for a kind of "spot" metering, that I assume stupid things, that focus assist isn't "aperture change assist", and more to that. That's a lot for a few paragraphs.

Most of the time I enjoy your contributions. This time I'm mainly surprised, I don't really know how to understand your reply. I probably already spent too much time on it.



Nov 28, 2013 at 05:08 PM
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p.95 #16 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless


Just thinking aloud about the matter, Jonas, not to anyone. Cameras are complex enough, perhaps most agree, and as any one feature grows, the interaction with other systems can make things worse for little gain. I have probably been reading too many snippy reviews where everyone seem to magnify their very personal gripes as though we want to forget what we have. No offence intended to you or anyone else, of course.

There will be a lot of people unfamiliar with the menu system and want more than the usual superficial treatment in 'reviews'. This one is the best seen thus far, full of images, and fair assessments, without being a flag-waving brochure:

http://www.slrlounge.com/history-making-sony-a7-a7r-field-review

They mention the need for higher shutter speeds, and give examples of what they think is happening, so it's evidence based.



Nov 28, 2013 at 05:31 PM
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p.95 #17 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless


I posted this on another forum, but hadn’t read much in the way of useful responses.

I was playing with my new A7R yesterday, and was unable to get the IR remote to trip the shutter when using mf assist. In essence, the remote will trip the shutter when the view is NOT magnified, but won't trip it when it is. A half press of the shutter to return to a non-magnified view is necessary to trip the shutter. As someone who does a lot of tripod work, this is extremely inconvenient. I'm trying to shoot static subjects using manual focus lenses, magnified with mf assist, with remote. In essence, I use mf assist to achieve precise focus, and then would like to trip the shutter using an IR remote (or phone, or whatever) in magnified view. It's also in marked contrast to the NEX series, that allow you to trip the shutter via IR remote when mf assist views are activated.

This feature is especially useful, as it allows you to check for any small camera/tripod vibrations that are not visible at normal magnification, and fire the shutter when vibrations aren't present. On the NEX-7, it virtually ensured every shot I fired from a tripod was perfectly focused AND free of vibration-induced blurring.

I also noticed that the Smart Remote Control app exhibits the exact same lack of functionality in this regard. Is anyone else frustrated by this? Note that what I'm talking about has nothing to do with how the camera meters.

Apologies if this issue has been discussed previously.



Nov 28, 2013 at 06:26 PM
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p.95 #18 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless


philip_pj wrote:
I have probably been reading too many snippy reviews where everyone seem to magnify their very personal gripes as though we want to forget what we have.


Well..., this is both spot-on, and also terribly unjust to anyone who has a legitimate beef with one aspect or another with one or both of these cameras.

The thing that is so interesting about these cameras is that they simultanously have very good full-frame sensors, interchangeable lenses with a short registration distance (also implying a small camera), and a high-res EVF. There isn't really anything else compelling about them, and if you are uninterested in one of these features, there are other choices, many of which are better.

Size, for me, isn't all that compelling. If I were only carrying one camera with one or two lenses, sure, but there is a bag, sometimes a tripod, and other things in my bag like an iPad, a pair of headphones, and whatever else, so in the end, the size and weight of the camera is not interesting to me, except for too large cameras (like my D3 which didn't fit most of my bags).

I also prefer Zeiss lenses at the moment, and apart from a couple of Contax lenses, and one or two of the ZA line (DSLR ones), and maybe a couple of Leicas, I am served perfectly well with my ZF.2 lenses.

Oddly enough, the most interesting thing for me is a 24MP sensor (which Nikon doesn't offer in a body like the D800) and an EVF which promises perfect focusing. All the rest can take a hike. And yet, I still find myself interested in and excited about the A7. Maybe I'll buy one, it isn't all that expensive.

On the other hand, there are a series of downsides, including the worst manuals known to mankind. The minimalist controls combined with maximalist feature set causes problems. Odd holes in the feature set are also present, and a tiny battery, for which no adequate justification could be given. Possibly the only FF mount worse for digital than F-mount, and yet the newest FF mount of any camera. Too narrow, *too small registration distance* (yes, I said it, it is much shorter than anyone needs, and was only done because some Sony git wanted to show off), has given us an initial lens lineup which no one is automatically happy with, and everyone is post-justifying to each other. Too slow, too limited in focal lengths, and a sort of trying to please all but pleasing no one distribution.

Truly, this is an enigma. I hope at least that the Sony guys had a good night out with sake when they designed it.

Maybe I'll have one in the end, but it sure is a painful process.



Nov 28, 2013 at 06:56 PM
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p.95 #19 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless


Yes, it's an enigma, wrapped in a small and, apparently, mysterious package.

Based on my experience with the "product descriptive literature" enclosed with my RX100*, I would suggest that it's not actually a manual. The real manual will be provided as part of a future "FU" upgrade.

* i.e. supposed to be a manual



Nov 28, 2013 at 07:06 PM
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p.95 #20 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless


Where is Sony's RAW converter software?
There is mention of it in some threads, but I've been unable to find it anywhere on Sony's sites...



Nov 28, 2013 at 07:07 PM
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