p.71 #1 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless
I think it's highly unlikely anyone would produce a fixed lens 55 or 85mm camera.
So no, if you want those focal lengths why would you let a shutter sound put you off buying the A7R which is significantly cheaper than the RX1 and provides much more flexibility?
p.71 #2 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless
ct8282 wrote:
I think it's highly unlikely anyone would produce a fixed lens 55 or 85mm camera.
Well, there is already the Sigma DP2 and DP3 with their normal and moderate tele lenses. Specialized tools but it's been done.
An RX1 and the A7's compliment one another pretty well as each offers features/ functionality not available in the other. I think there is a pretty strong case to be made for an RX1, particularly if purchased used/ Like new, over the FE 35 and the A7 with other focal lengths. Sony - and users- probably would have benefited with a 24mm or 28mm FE instead of that FE 35 as it would have pushed more RX1 sales AND filled a major wide void with the A7's.
p.71 #3 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless
fredmirandafan wrote:
What do you think? Should I wait and pray that Sony would release an RX2-55mm or RX3-85mm?
I've always wondered why people pre-order anything, especially if it's a technically new and unproven item. To my knowledge, a production version of the camera is not available, yet there's numerous threads of speculation about what it can and will do. What's the rush? Why not wait until the early-adopters sort things out, and the manufacturer commits to the tools you want/need?
p.71 #4 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless
jforkner wrote:
I've always wondered why people pre-order anything, especially if it's a technically new and unproven item. To my knowledge, a production version of the camera is not available, yet there's numerous threads of speculation about what it can and will do. What's the rush? Why not wait until the early-adopters sort things out, and the manufacturer commits to the tools you want/need?
p.71 #6 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless
jforkner wrote:
I've always wondered why people pre-order anything, especially if it's a technically new and unproven item. To my knowledge, a production version of the camera is not available, yet there's numerous threads of speculation about what it can and will do. What's the rush? Why not wait until the early-adopters sort things out, and the manufacturer commits to the tools you want/need?
Jack
Sage advise, which I typically follow. However the A7 in my case solves a major issue for me (Small Ff that I can adapt lenses to with a tilt LCD), so Logic be damned...it is the first ANYTHING I have ever preordered.
p.71 #7 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless
jforkner wrote:
I've always wondered why people pre-order anything, especially if it's a technically new and unproven item. To my knowledge, a production version of the camera is not available, yet there's numerous threads of speculation about what it can and will do. What's the rush? Why not wait until the early-adopters sort things out, and the manufacturer commits to the tools you want/need?
Jack
Jack,
There have been releases of the A7 and A7r already in Korea, Hong Kong, and Japan at this point. The distribution of the new cameras will be filtering through to the different parts of the world shortly.
I have posted a new thread yesterday for A7 and A7r images and discussion and we are starting to see some images taken with the new production cameras.
p.71 #8 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless
jforkner wrote:
I've always wondered why people pre-order anything, especially if it's a technically new and unproven item. ...Why not wait until the early-adopters sort things out...
In order to be an early-adopter, you have to pre-order. If nobody pre-orders, then nothing will ever get sorted out.
I pre-ordered the 1DX, X100, and X-Pro 1, because they seemed to be exactly what I wanted at the time (they were). I'll probably get an A7R, but not until after I see output from production-camera RAW files, with Canon TS-E and Zeiss ZE lenses. I just don't want to have a dozen NP-FW50 batreries laying around, if I'm not going to use them...
p.71 #10 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless
jforkner wrote:
I've always wondered why people pre-order anything...
In small countries like Sweden you could have to wait for months if you're not ordering very early.
In this case I think many of us have waited for several years already.
p.71 #11 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless
jcolwell wrote:
In order to be an early-adopter, you have to pre-order. If nobody pre-orders, then nothing will ever get sorted out.
Actually, you don't have to pre-order to be an early adopter---just be one of the first with a new product.
"An early adopter or lighthouse customer is an early customer of a given company, product, or technology; in politics, fashion, art, and other fields, this person would be referred to as a trendsetter." Wikipedia.
p.71 #12 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless
Makten wrote:
In small countries like Sweden you could have to wait for months if you're not ordering very early.
In this case I think many of us have waited for several years already.
And waiting a couple more months for things to settle and the inevitable unforeseen problems to materialize causes what problem?
I don't get it, but acknowledge it happens. And I do appreciate the sacrifice the early adopters make for people like me.
p.71 #13 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless
I pre-ordered because I've sold my D800 off a little sooner than I might have because I do have some concerns over resale values of D800/Es once the A7r is shipping in volume. I bought into the D800 for the sensor, not for DSLR functionality, and surely I am not alone in that, so if the A7/r buzz is strong I do expect to see more D800's up for sale locally.
Mine went to a good home, a committed Nikon system user. He's happy, I'm happy.
And I do appreciate the sacrifice the early adopters make for people like me.
p.71 #14 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless
Makten wrote:
In small countries like Sweden you could have to wait for months if you're not ordering very early.
In this case I think many of us have waited for several years already.
Like Martin, I have been waiting for years ever since Leica dropped the R system in 2009. In the interim I have been using cropped format cameras for these lenses waiting for a FF home. I started with the M4/3 Lumix G1 followed by the Fujifilm X-E1. I decided not to go the Nikon or the Canon system FF system ways for various reasons and the Leica M240 had too many limitations along with the cost of all of the add on parts. The A7r looks to fulfill almost all of my wants in a small and light package with a terrific new sensor.
p.71 #15 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless
Silly that they are not releasing this camera with the 55mm. When I had pre-ordered I didn't expect the 55mm to be released just before xmas. Might cancel my pre-order as I won't be in town to receive any lenses!
p.71 #16 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless
Was considering getting A7R+1.8/55 instead of 3rd 5DmkII & Otus until read this (I want to have ~28mm, ~50mm and 135mm in my bag without switching lenses and was wishing that could save few cubic cm & grams via A7R-"route"): http://www.pekkapotka.com/journal/2013/11/11/tempted-by-the-sony-a7r.html
If pro can't handhold 55mm lens (minor concern for me; I shoot >95% from tripod, thou this makes it useless for travel) and if bokeh greed/magenta is that bad (major concern) I'll start going to gym to carry the Otus in summer 2014
p.71 #17 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless
Samuli Vahonen wrote:
Was considering getting A7R+1.8/55 instead of 3rd 5DmkII & Otus until read this (I want to have ~28mm, ~50mm and 135mm in my bag without switching lenses and was wishing that could save few cubic cm & grams via A7R-"route"): http://www.pekkapotka.com/journal/2013/11/11/tempted-by-the-sony-a7r.html
If pro can't handhold 55mm lens (minor concern for me; I shoot >95% from tripod, thou this makes it useless for travel) and if bokeh greed/magenta is that bad (major concern) I'll start going to gym to carry the Otus in summer 2014
Samuli
Okay the fringing is crazy-bad - that is very surprising and looks horrible.
The shakes I take with a grain of salt - everyone holds a camera differently, and for someone handling for only one day, it could have been he was rushed in taking the photos.
Plus, I have to wonder if he was viewing images at 100% to indicate shaking - that's probably a bit unrealistic from hand-holding ANY 36MP camera.
If you're a deep DOF shooter (he kept saying he wanted the same DOF), then sure the A7 (or really any FF) might not be a best fit, but I'd take it as just a grain of salt.
The fringing shot does look incredibly bad, though - that has me worried, though I'll be using adapted lenses at first, and with the A7 not A7r.
p.71 #18 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless
Samuli Vahonen wrote:
Was considering getting A7R+1.8/55 instead of 3rd 5DmkII & Otus until read this (I want to have ~28mm, ~50mm and 135mm in my bag without switching lenses and was wishing that could save few cubic cm & grams via A7R-"route"): http://www.pekkapotka.com/journal/2013/11/11/tempted-by-the-sony-a7r.html
If pro can't handhold 55mm lens (minor concern for me; I shoot >95% from tripod, thou this makes it useless for travel) and if bokeh greed/magenta is that bad (major concern) I'll start going to gym to carry the Otus in summer 2014
Samuli
I think the ability to handhold is very important. There is an increasing number of people, like pekkapotka, suggesting it may be harder on the A7R than on the A7 because of the increased pixel density on the former. Now I have no trouble handholding the NEX-7 and the pixel density on that sensor is similar to that on the A7R. Am I missing something here?
p.71 #19 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless
waterden wrote:
Am I missing something here?
You're missing that this is the internet and people like to freak out because they're bored (that's why they're on the internet and not out shooting!)
Never worry about the hype. Just buy the product if it makes sense and don't buy it if it doesn't make sense. I noticed people are already talking about the "A9" and how much "better" it'll be. .
p.71 #20 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless
^ Do realize waterden, the A7r also lacks electronic first curtain - this is an important distinction between it and the A7, and can be the cause for some image shake (and is the primary reason I didn't go for the A7r).
Also, and this may seem strange, but -- Images that aren't perfectly sharp, believe it or not, can still be keepers.
I can't count how many times I've used and posted older A850 shots that weren't exactly sharp (at 100%) because of movement (remember when 24MP was obscene?), yet when viewing online at web sizes or even printed, it was impossible to detect the motion.
The beauty of downscaling. -- A perfect example is a cow egret taking off in the grass, I took with the A850 and the outstanding 70-400G - it was a snap-shot, definitely not perfectly sharp at all, yet printed at 8x10 and matted/framed, it looks perfectly sharp - there is no hint of a screw-up!
That's what a lot of people seem to forget when we talking about these high-MP sensors in the digital age:
At normal (typical) output sizes, it's not going to matter if you have slight image shake...the image won't look worse.
It's when you start getting into obscene print sizes that it really starts to matter, and if you're doing obscene print sizes, you're taking every precaution anyway (tripod, timers, remote releases, shutter speeds), so the shake "problem" isn't a problem at all.
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