p.25 #5 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless
I have seen conflicting info about the flash sync speed.
One site said that the A7 was 1/160 and the A7R was 1/250.
Another site had the figures reversed. Does anyone have the definitive answer? Sony is mum on their site.
markd61 wrote:
I have seen conflicting info about the flash sync speed.
One site said that the A7 was 1/160 and the A7R was 1/250.
Another site had the figures reversed. Does anyone have the definitive answer? Sony is mum on their site.
p.25 #8 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless
The thing I understand least about the design of these cameras is that the grip isn't the full height of the body. I would've had a hard enough time holding this little thing if it was.
p.25 #9 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless
Lee Saxon wrote:
The thing I understand least about the design of these cameras is that the grip isn't the full height of the body. I would've had a hard enough time holding this little thing if it was.
I have a grip on my RX1 which is also lower (fotodiox grip) and it turns out, it's more comfortable to use like that since if you placed your hand all the way to the top (if the grip went to the top), the shutter button would be an uncomfortable bend for the index finger. With the lower grip, the index finger can be extended more naturally for the shutter button (at least with my medium sized hands). Anyway, I suspect it will turn out to be a comfortable grip given the height and size of the camera.
p.25 #10 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless
I'm thinking the entire Sony marketing plan is a sort of Judo to throw other makers off balance.
Canon and Nikon have relied on users heavy investment in lenses to make changing systems complex and expensive which allowed them to profit from incremental improvements to their cameras.
By introducing dramatic sensor innovation and planning for use of alternative lenses Sony brings those users into the Sony universe --- and then over the next few years they can introduce their own competitive lenses.
It's a no lose proposition for Sony: if users prefer their old glass they can keep it, or alternately gradually adopt the new if it proves superior. Either way Sony gains.
p.25 #11 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless
yup. it's a bitchslap to every manufacturer. Not only is the sensor huge, but with adapters you can use lenses from EVERYONE's arsenal. Buy some Metabones toys (basic adapters are under $100) and you're off to the races. You can even get aperture control for lenses without aperture rings and full auto focus control for Canon lenses.
There's a certain joy to having every lens in my house be able to be used with the a7r when it arrives--at their native field of view, not cropped.
AND with the grip you can turn it into a very nice handling camera for a serious shoot (unless you're always trying to sneak street shots pretending to be Bresson).
p.25 #12 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless
yes, uncle. And the cost of entry is quite low for anyone even reasonably serious about their DSLR in Canon/Nikon land, with a body (either FF or APS-C remember most of their lenses are FF) and a few lenses. It's a back up body that outperforms the main body..not in AF/FPS/flash but in final image quality.
Of course the biggie is that Canon lenses cannot be used on a top end 36Mp sensor any other way, and being DSLR lenses they will work a charm, with all the development being done to provide pretty decent AF/IS/EXIF etc. If Sony were cheeky they would make the adaptors themselves - with full functionality.
All on a well made 410 gram body with a tilt screen and state of the art EVF, and nice ergonomics and accessories. It might then be a short step for many of these adopters to use their new small high IQ body more than the Canon one, then it gathers dust...you know the rest, especially as new native FE lenses get added, of the calibre of the 55mm.
If I was the Canon chief I'd be talking to the R&D guys on a daily basis. The clock is ticking...they are the ones in the cross hairs, not Leica, though there may be some collateral damage there as well, also m4/3 and Fuji.
p.25 #13 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless
AlexanderR wrote:
There's a certain joy to having every lens in my house be able to be used with the a7r when it arrives--at their native field of view, not cropped.
Used ? Yes, but used well ? That seems to be the big question still....
A blanket statement that you can mount any lens at its native focal length seems pretty awesome, but if the "fine print", so to speak, turns out to revel that you have to live with color shifts and smearing for a majority of them, then its maybe not quite all its cracked up to be.
I'm not saying its a bad camera, I know I've got one ordered, but we may find its not quite the "holy grail" of and and all alt glass we first had hoped.
It is the Gapless, On-chip Sensor Lenses that are listed for the A7r that are absent for the list of features for the A7.
Rich
grahamb3 wrote: Sony a7r. Scroll to the "gapless on-chip lens design".
Sony a7. No mention of "gapless on-chip lens design", but it does illustrate the PDAF.
Graham
Thanks. I'm not really convinced TBH. I think I saw a table very early on that described both cameras as having the OCL but only the A7r as having the Gapless design, but I've not been able to find the link since.
p.25 #16 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless
Huff says he is testing an a7r 'in nine days' time, presumably that means others also in that time frame. What we have heard so far of that camera - clearly Sony's go at the Leica M lens users - is contradictory.
Might seem like a blanket statement to a Leica M user but outside of that one percenter group, you would need a very large blanket to cover all the lenses that can be expected to work just great on this camera.
Maybe some of the M lenses too, although it seems unlikely to full satisfaction. A shame at first but then much more market share for Sony/Zeiss equivalents later on, as technology moves along with this new format. That's OK, Leica can provide for their own, and good luck to them in their endeavours.
So in a way I would rather Sony assign a low priority to low market share users and cater more to the rest of us. They will, already are, by the looks of it.
p.25 #18 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless
Apologies is already posted or you have seen this already elsewhere, but it's the best hands on video I can find....
I have been backwards and forwards with my decision to get one of these, but the more I read about it, the more it seems like the 'almost' perfect camera for me. I haven't picked up my D4 or D800 for a long time, with my X100s being used all the time. The A7R would give me the ability to capture the portraits I love doing with my Nikons and prime glass, in a package that I would be happy to take out the door everyday instead of thinking that I can't be bothered to lug my Nikon around all day because it's too big and cumbersome.
I think Sony have hit the ball out the park to be honest. The slower fps and AF of the A7R will not trouble me in the slightest for portrait stuff. The final. IQ is key and this camera will rule in that regard. I also read that it has eye focus too which will make it nice and easy to ensure my subjects eyes are the point of focus.
I will buy this camera. Any news on when the lenses are released in the UK? I can only find pre-orders for the camera bodies but I want the 55mm f1.8 to go with it.
p.25 #19 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless
philip_pj wrote:
Maybe some of the M lenses too, although it seems unlikely to full satisfaction.
But that will still afford them more FF options than they've had to this point. I just won't be looking for any rangefinder glass to mount on it. If size is my concern to mate with it for a nice small body/lens combo package, the Oly's @ legacy glass come to mind. If size isn't a concern, the TS-E's large image circle and better ray angles offer the other end of the spectrum on a none (I hope @ none vs. un-filtered like the D800E) AA filtered sensor.
Imo, there are two primary ways of looking at this camera ... one is as the saving grace for rangefinder glass mounting options on FF. The other is as a mirror-less FF camera with existing SLR glass and forthcoming new glass.
Despite the rangefinder glass now being mountable to an FF body, those yearning to rekindle a romance with their rangefinder glass, may find it more like kissing your first girlfriend ... yeah, you can do it, but probably not gonna light your fire quite the same way that you remember it did on film.
@ 1/2 empty vs. 1/2 full ... i.e. not the holy grail or magic beans that we being yearned for @ rangefinder glass.
p.25 #20 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless
Yeah, the more I read about these cameras, the more I think that, if I were to buy one of them, I'd probable just buy the FE 35 and 55, and add an SLR wide and an M tele, and then maybe replace those when the FE versions arrive.
@ 1/2 empty vs. 1/2 full ... i.e. not the holy grail or magic beans that we being yearned for @ rangefinder glass.