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p.130 #1 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless


I am using the MC-L: Multi-Camera L-Plate on my A7r now . It is very secure and makes a great handle to carry with. The USB cord fit when on the tripod vertically. The HDMI cord has to run through the bracket but there is still plenty of bracket to clamp to tripod. If I can find a right angle HDMI adapter that would help.












Dec 14, 2013 at 10:27 AM
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p.130 #2 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless


I have the Camdapter generic L plate that I use on D7100 and it works fine on A7. Not as nice as a RRS plate, but it's perfectly functional.


Dec 14, 2013 at 10:47 AM
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theophilus wrote:
Rich, I think I asked you before, but what do I lose if I just go with the generic MC-L?
http://reallyrightstuff.com/ProductDesc.aspx?code=MC-L&type=0&eq=MCL-001&desc=MC-L%3a-Multi-Camera-L-Plate&key=ait

http://reallyrightstuff.com/mmRRSNET/Images/gallery/MCL.png

I can't see ever needing to slide that piece out. I'll use my IPhone, IPad or IR remote. Haven't gotten into video other than family stuff. Does the MC-L block the battery door?


dennishh wrote:
I am using the MC-L: Multi-Camera L-Plate on my A7r now . It is very secure and makes a great handle to carry with. The USB cord fit when on the tripod vertically. The HDMI cord has to run through the bracket but there is still plenty of bracket to clamp to tripod. If I can find a right angle HDMI adapter that would help.


Hi,

If you use the RRS MC-L: Multi-Camera L-Plate on your A7 or A7r camera as shown in the photos of course you will have the additional length of the bracket to contend with. Additionally, there is the anti-rotational lip of the MC-L plate. Unless you can position the ant-rotational lip under/beneath the camera LCD screen I believe that the lip would either interfere with the usage of the LCD screen and/or quite possibly damage it.

Rich



Dec 14, 2013 at 10:50 AM
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p.130 #4 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless


Samuli Vahonen wrote:
Other topic: I shoot today 1/4000s and 1/8000s images with and without electronic first curtain to get understanding WHY some people claim that mechanical first curtain shutter is needed at high shutter speeds. I look at the images and can't find difference. What I should be looking for? Or is it's myth/BS that electronical first shutter causes image quality issues at fastest shutter speeds.

Samuli


shooting at higher shutter speeds with EFC on often results in uneven exposure of the frame at least on NEX cameras. it basically looks like there is severe vignetting on only on the bottom of the frame (in landscape orientation). i've successfully used it as a makeshift grad filter by turning the camera upside down.




Dec 14, 2013 at 11:17 AM
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p.130 #5 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless


Albi86 wrote:
Guys, anyone remembers where the MTF charts for the upcoming Zeiss 24-70/4 we published?

I saw them a while ago but I can't find them anymore.


I've also been looking for that link, but did find the printout of that chart If you can't find it I'll make a copy and post it, just let me know.
Cheers
Michael



Dec 14, 2013 at 11:24 AM
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If you use the RRS MC-L: Multi-Camera L-Plate on your A7 or A7r camera as shown in the photos of course you will have the additional length of the bracket to contend with. Additionally, there is the anti-rotational lip of the MC-L plate. Unless you can position the ant-rotational lip under/beneath the camera LCD screen I believe that the lip would either interfere with the usage of the LCD screen and/or quite possibly damage it.

Rich


The additional length is adjustable with this bracket, I have it at this length to use cables in portrait orientation and like I said it makes a great stabilizing grip. I just filed off the anti-rotational lip so it didn't interfere with the LCD and used this with the NEX-7 for two years with no damage.
Dennis


Dec 14, 2013 at 11:58 AM
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miklar wrote:
I've also been looking for that link, but did find the printout of that chart If you can't find it I'll make a copy and post it, just let me know.
Cheers
Michael


I believe they were on Sony.net but it appears that they have been removed O.o

Let the wild guessing begin...



Dec 14, 2013 at 11:59 AM
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p.130 #8 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless


sebboh wrote:
shooting at higher shutter speeds with EFC on often results in uneven exposure of the frame at least on NEX cameras. it basically looks like there is severe vignetting on only on the bottom of the frame (in landscape orientation). i've successfully used it as a makeshift grad filter by turning the camera upside down.


Yep, it creates uneven exposure and a thin exposure boundary. Here's a sample on an NEX-5N (EFSC on left). It starts somewhere between 1/2000 and 1/4000. It's likely a rolling shutter reset artifact. The sensor reset associated with EFSC happens very quickly, certainly faster than the time it takes to read the sensor during an exposure. However the reset is probably done on a rolling-row basis (just like an exposure), so while a portion of the sensor is still being reset the portion that has already been reset is already receiving light for the final exposure. This is why the effect looks like a GND - rows that reset first will receive the most light for the exposure, with subsequent rows progressively receiving less.



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Dec 14, 2013 at 12:06 PM
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p.130 #9 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless


LightShow wrote:
Anyone come across any profiles for the A7 & A7r?


Do you mean camera profiles for Lightroom and Photoshop? Lightroom 5.3 includes camera profiles that mimic the Sony JPEG picture styles. These seem pretty accurate to me. Additionally the Huelight profiles by colorfidelity are available for the A7 and A7r and are excellent.



Dec 14, 2013 at 12:06 PM
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sebboh wrote:
shooting at higher shutter speeds with EFC on often results in uneven exposure of the frame at least on NEX cameras. it basically looks like there is severe vignetting on only on the bottom of the frame (in landscape orientation). i've successfully used it as a makeshift grad filter by turning the camera upside down.

ok it's the same 5DmkII early firmwares had. Naturally my test photos were silhouettes against bright sky (f/1.2 barely got 1/4000s for correct exposure for the sky part of image, had to use ISO 200 to get 1/8000s), and the tree/forest silhouette at bottom of image prevents to see if there is any vignetting. Next time there is some light, I'll take test images vertically.

Snapsy, thanks for sample and explanation.



Regards L-brackets and Arca-Swiss plates; if there is any "padding"/rubber on top then display can only be tilted up, but not down. At least this was with all my generic plates. I was hoping that with dedicated L-bracket would allow tilting display down because my tripod goes 30cm higher than my eye level and it would be nice to be able to tilt display down in those situations.

Samuli



Dec 14, 2013 at 12:09 PM
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p.130 #11 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless


LightShow wrote:
Anyone come across any profiles for the A7 & A7r?


Yes.


http://www.piraccini.net/2011/02/profili-colore-sony-a900-per-adobe-lr.html




Dec 14, 2013 at 12:10 PM
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p.130 #12 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless


Thanks Rich, Dennis. I went ahead and preordered the dedicated RRS bracket. I think I'll like the little added height consistently across the whole camera.


Dec 14, 2013 at 12:19 PM
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Albi86 wrote:
I believe they were on Sony.net but it appears that they have been removed O.o

Let the wild guessing begin...


Sony SEL2470Z, Zeiss SEL FE 24-70mm f/4.0 ZA MTF chart
Below is a copy of the printout I made a month ago. The chart was a screen capture and it's the best I could get
http://www.pbase.com/mikeklar/image/153774244
Note; the commentary at the top is my opinion after looking at the data. It is also possible that some of this will improve in the production version.
Cheers
Michael



Dec 14, 2013 at 02:21 PM
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p.130 #14 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless


Given the MTF from Sony is theoretical, and not measured, I would expect the only way for the MTF to go would be to worse performance.


Dec 14, 2013 at 03:21 PM
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p.130 #15 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless


I'm looking at getting some jupiter lenses to play around with on the a7, but I have no experience what so ever using adapters. Anybody point me in the right direction as to what kind of adapters I might use for a jupiter lens, and what kind of mount for jupiter lenses I should be looking at?

Thanks



Dec 14, 2013 at 04:59 PM
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miklar wrote:
Sony SEL2470Z, Zeiss SEL FE 24-70mm f/4.0 ZA MTF chart
Below is a copy of the printout I made a month ago. The chart was a screen capture and it's the best I could get
http://www.pbase.com/mikeklar/image/153774244
Note; the commentary at the top is my opinion after looking at the data. It is also possible that some of this will improve in the production version.
Cheers
Michael


Thanks!

They don't look too bad. The bad one is at 40lppm, but then again, most manufacturers don't go above 30. It seems that up to 20lppm it keeps up nicely.

It seems that corners will suffer a bit, but it could improve considerably at, say, 28mm.



Dec 15, 2013 at 06:26 AM
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p.130 #17 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless


Jeff Kott wrote:
Yes.

http://www.piraccini.net/2011/02/profili-colore-sony-a900-per-adobe-lr.html


Awesome, just what I was looking for, I think this is where I found my NEX-7 profile which I found to be better than the LR profile.



Dec 15, 2013 at 09:23 AM
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p.130 #18 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless


A very informative test of Zeiss 35/2.8:


http://www.flickr.com/photos/herosjourneymythology45surf/sets/72157638624916726/



Dec 15, 2013 at 10:55 AM
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p.130 #19 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless


Albi86 wrote:
Thanks!

They don't look too bad. The bad one is at 40lppm, but then again, most manufacturers don't go above 30. It seems that up to 20lppm it keeps up nicely.

It seems that corners will suffer a bit, but it could improve considerably at, say, 28mm.


Just compared these charts with Sony's Carl Zeiss Vario-Sonnar T* 24-70 f/2.8 ZA SSM and the 24-70 FE's look better
I have the 24-70 f/2.8 and while it's soft at the corners wide open at 24mm, it's only at the extreme corners where it suffers.
Cheers
Michael



Dec 15, 2013 at 11:31 AM
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p.130 #20 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless


Anyone know of an L-bracket that will work with the A7/A7r with the grip?

Alan



Dec 15, 2013 at 05:21 PM
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