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A few from High Park in Toronto



























Aug 27, 2017 at 09:47 PM
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Steve, first one is pretty sweet.

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zhangyue wrote:
Thanks!

That is with 70 Summarit and S006. I stitched two more image at side to adding more environment to the images. 70 Summarit's rendering is best of S glass or any 50mm Lens I feel though slow at f2.5.


Thank you@zhangyue.
I would love to know more about your favorite lenses,
and what qualities you like about each.




Aug 28, 2017 at 06:06 AM
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Here are some shots from Asilomar Beach in Pacific Grove, CA (near Monterrey) with the Fuji GFX and the Hassy HC 100 f/2.2 and the HCD 24 f/4.8. I think they do a nice job of demonstrating the wide dynamic range of the mini MF sensor.



























Aug 28, 2017 at 08:02 AM
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Thank you@zhangyue.
I would love to know more about your favorite lenses,
and what qualities you like about each.



As mentioned, 70 Summarit is probably one of my favorite standard lens (join with 50lux ASPH and 55 OTUS for difference reason). The lens has a quality I called smooth sharpness that very sharp but also good for skin and portraits. The Bokeh is misleading for a f2.5 Lens, and smoothness might come from lens design or S format and sensor.

35 is also the best 28mm lens I ever see in term of rendering. It is almost like a twin to 70mm. The sharpness is very impressive. This kind of quality is hard to put in word as I am pretty sure some of magic comes from sensor size, some from lens design, some from even 16 bit color depth (will be a hot debate about bit length I know), everything come together make you notice the difference during editing. Will that be easily seen by clients (you are a pro, right) or on internet 1600 size image. I would say yes or no. Yes, in a sense, I can see the whole rendering special more often with medium format but you won't see whole picture here on internet, no, it is that in some case there is no difference compare to FF or even APS-C. I'd say how to use it also make a difference most of time. at f2.5, the magic stick me quite often so it is not as simple as shallow DOF.

And both above lenses are easiest to get at great price now make them a no brainier for recommendation.

120 contax APO is my favorite lens around this focal length. Pure optically speaking, I have used or seen better lenses than it, but compare images I get with 120 contax and any FF image in similar focal length, I always prefer 120's image by a wide margin. The color, DOF transition, and Bokeh just out of this world beauty. Viewing and focusing it through big bright S OVF is experience to die for. However it is slow at f4. with CPL, viewfinder can be dark and handhold will be a problem for S camera given ISO above 400 for landscape is not usable in my book. (portrait is fine, but I loose magic skin color)

140 contax has one of best Bokeh I ever seen, very smooth and paint like. However, it has lots of CA and out of center is not sharp enough for me for landscape.

45 contax is slowly gain my respect in term of rendering and sharpness at center WO. It is different than Leica S's modern smooth clean look, but at the same time, keep in mind we are only use part of its full coverage, so no boekh jittery around corner, Bokeh ball are round all the way to corner of S and sharpness is very decent only compare short in high frequency detail of Leica S glass .

180 S actually is the absolutely best lens from any point to view it: sharpness, CA correction, Bokeh. Even it is kind of slow, It is perfect lens. but I don't use this focal length much and tend to keep it at home more. but in term of other characteristic, it comparable to 120 contax I mentioned above. IF this is your focal length, please don't hesitate to get it.

Now, 100cron, I use it most often out of any lens above, and possible give me most keepers than any other lens. It is the size and speed that make it perfect company to S. Because I can stitch a few frame to get 70 perspective or get shallower DOF portrait for my kids if I want and I also can get it work to lower light than other S lens because of f2. However, you don't see me recommend it. It is like sometimes, even a pretty lady in front of you, but you just don't feel anything. This can be very personal, could be just my expectation is high or its rendering is just too neutral. but it is anchor in my S setup I would say, it is very sharp at f2 no complain for what so ever. It do have CA and I can see Leica is trying to correct it for fast glass like this.

24S can get job done, but I don't recommend it personally for the price and size also performance. it doesn't offer sharp corner at f3.5 as most modern good SWA dose but I guess for the landscape use (f11) or portrait (center sharpness), it is fine.

I assume you are asking S medium system lenses. For FF lens, the topic can go on and on

It would be ideal that I can illustrate above with picture but that require lots of work you have to take my word for it now I guess with a grain of salts as it is personal.

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Here are some shots from Asilomar Beach in Pacific Grove, CA (near Monterrey) with the Fuji GFX and the Hassy HC 100 f/2.2 and the HCD 24 f/4.8. I think they do a nice job of demonstrating the wide dynamic range of the mini MF sensor.


The first one is great.



Aug 28, 2017 at 01:58 PM
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Thank you kindly zhangyue for your generosity in elaborate reply.
Appreciating your inspiring photographs for many years here,
Billy

I wouldn't mind knowing your favorite FF lenses if you're willing to share.

zhangyue wrote:
As mentioned, 70 Summarit is probably one of my favorite standard lens (join with 50lux ASPH and 55 OTUS for difference reason). The lens has a quality I called smooth sharpness that very sharp but also good for skin and portraits. The Bokeh is misleading for a f2.5 Lens, and smoothness might come from lens design or S format and sensor.

35 is also the best 28mm lens I ever see in term of rendering. It is almost like a twin to 70mm. The sharpness is very impressive. This kind of quality is hard to put in word as I
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Aug 28, 2017 at 02:21 PM
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Testing a new lens;

X1D with HC210mm f4 and X to H adaptor.

B0000327.jpg by Gordon Cahill, on Flickr

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Aug 29, 2017 at 12:00 AM
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I really like BW now
100cron WO







Aug 29, 2017 at 02:04 AM
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flash wrote:
Testing a new lens;

X1D with HC210mm f4 and X to H adaptor.

Gordon


Clearly adapting lenses is the way to go!



Aug 29, 2017 at 07:44 AM
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Clearly adapting lenses is the way to go!


Thanks mate. No AF yet. That'll come with a firmware update. And it's limited to 1/800th shutter but the X1D now has an electronic shutter to 1/10000 (with a really slow read out though). MF is actually pretty easy though on the X1D. And I think the adaptor is really reasonably priced for a MF system adaptor.

I got the lens new for an insane price. And I'm going to see how it goes on my S007 as well so I might get a long lens that works on both systems. Lens and adaptor will be thousands less than the S180mm.

Now I'm tempted by a few of the other HC lenses....

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flash wrote:
Thanks mate. No AF yet. That'll come with a firmware update. And it's limited to 1/800th shutter but the X1D now has an electronic shutter to 1/10000 (with a really slow read out though). MF is actually pretty easy though on the X1D. And I think the adaptor is really reasonably priced for a MF system adaptor.

I got the lens new for an insane price. And I'm going to see how it goes on my S007 as well so I might get a long lens that works on both systems. Lens and adaptor will be thousands less than the S180mm.

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Gordon,

You really should get the HC 100 f/2.2. It is a lovely lens, and on miniMF it is quite a bit like the Leica M 75 lux on FF 35mm. Not all that sharp wide open, but with very nice character and then it gets blisteringly sharp stopped down. I very much like the bokeh as well. I really like my HCD 24 f/4.8 and HC 300 f/4.5, but the 100 is the lens that has stole my heart.



Aug 29, 2017 at 07:45 PM
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zhangyue wrote:
I really like BW now
100cron WO
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4436/36721548311_f0cbfcb6da_h.jpg


Michael,
Love this shot and the one above on this page as well. Thanks for your careful description of the lenses above as well. I have the Contax 645 45 and 120 macro ordered and the adapter and I was hoping they will work as you describe.



Aug 29, 2017 at 07:47 PM
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Steve Spencer wrote:
Gordon,

You really should get the HC 100 f/2.2. It is a lovely lens, and on miniMF it is quite a bit like the Leica M 75 lux on FF 35mm. Not all that sharp wide open, but with very nice character and then it gets blisteringly sharp stopped down. I very much like the bokeh as well. I really like my HCD 24 f/4.8 and HC 300 f/4.5, but the 100 is the lens that has stole my heart.


Thanks Steve. I've seen some of your 100mm shots over on the GFX thread. It looks great.

24mm is next on my list. I can get a great price on a new one locally and I think it'll be at least 6 months before the 22mm XC lens comes out. Also I have the XC 90 and it's a really good lens. I will get the 100mm for the speed later on but my primary use for the X1D is landscapes for now and that makes the 100mm redundant for just a bit longer. I still have to buy the XH24mm and XC120mm between now and then.

My Cuba trip is only 6 weeks away now and if I get the 24mm I'll have a pretty comprehensive kit for that trip (24, 30, 45, 90, 120, 210mm). I wish HB had released the zoom earlier but I'll survive with a bag of primes and deal with the extra weight, to have to image quality I'll be getting.

Gordon



Aug 29, 2017 at 08:10 PM
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flash wrote:
Thanks mate. No AF yet. That'll come with a firmware update. And it's limited to 1/800th shutter but the X1D now has an electronic shutter to 1/10000 (with a really slow read out though). MF is actually pretty easy though on the X1D. And I think the adaptor is really reasonably priced for a MF system adaptor.

I got the lens new for an insane price. And I'm going to see how it goes on my S007 as well so I might get a long lens that works on both systems. Lens and adaptor will be thousands less than the S180mm.

Now
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Yeah I liked quite a few of the HC lenses (though maybe it was because it was my first time using MFD). The 100/2.2 is a fun one as someone mentioned above but I'm bias because I like shallow DOF. I personally still think the S-lenses are best in class but love the shape/feel/size/ergonomics/menu of the X1D.

But lack of fast lenses is one of the reasons why I can't go to the X1D yet. Even though I'm very tempted to pick one up. Maybe all I need is for hassy to make a 70/2 that is relatively small in size and I'm set! Well that and for the camera to be a bit faster in use with less bugs.

And the XCD lenses have a great manual focus feel to them too!

Just a random thought but I wonder if Zeiss will build one or two lenses for the X1D and GFX. Since I think they can probably build one lens for both mounts.



Aug 29, 2017 at 10:15 PM
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I was able to try out X1D a few weeks ago and here are few photos I shot:

#1 X1D + XCD 3,2/90MM @ f/3.2, iso800, 1/160


#2 X1D + XCD 3,5/45MM @ f/3.5, iso800, 1/160


#3 X1D + XCD 3,2/90MM @ f/3.2, iso800, 1/80


#4 X1D + XCD 3,2/90MM @ f/8, iso100, 1/400


#5 X1D + XCD 3,2/90MM @ f/3.2, iso200, 1/250


#6 X1D + XCD 3,2/90MM @ f/16, iso100, 102 s


#7 X1D + XCD 3,5/45MM @ f/5.6, iso100, 1/500


I wrote a review of the camera but unfortunately it's in Finnish

I liked the camera Focus peaking when using autofocus was nice and the files are wonderful. I also liked the leaf shutter but the glass is too slow for it's price point in my opintion.



Aug 30, 2017 at 03:56 PM
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X1D w' 30mm @f10

B1050105.jpg by Gordon Cahill, on Flickr

X1D w' 45mm @ f10

B1050092.jpg by Gordon Cahill, on Flickr

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adamdewilde wrote:
Yeah I liked quite a few of the HC lenses (though maybe it was because it was my first time using MFD). The 100/2.2 is a fun one as someone mentioned above but I'm bias because I like shallow DOF. I personally still think the S-lenses are best in class but love the shape/feel/size/ergonomics/menu of the X1D.

But lack of fast lenses is one of the reasons why I can't go to the X1D yet. Even though I'm very tempted to pick one up. Maybe all I need is for hassy to make a 70/2 that is relatively small in
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I would love for Zeiss to build a handful of lenses for miniMF. As you suggest a 70 f/2 would be fantastic. For now with the GFX I plan to pick up a Leica R 80 f/1.4 which ought to be a really nice option, but I would love a modern 70 f/2 to complement it and would pay Otus level prices for it. I think an excellent fast wide angle would be great as well, something like a 45 f/2. There isn't anything like that for either system. If they started with just those two lenses I think they would do well. On the Fuji you could add the 110 f/2 to that set and on the Hassy you could add the HC 100 f/2.2 (at least until Hassy makes a fast X1D lens in that range) and have an awfully nice set up for portraiture. Fuji and Hassy have made their 45mm lenses slower and Fuji made their normal lens slower and it seem unlikely that Hassy will make a fast normal either, so there is an opportunity for Zeiss or someone else if they are willing to take it up.



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Steve Spencer wrote:
I would love for Zeiss to build a handful of lenses for miniMF. As you suggest a 70 f/2 would be fantastic. For now with the GFX I plan to pick up a Leica R 80 f/1.4 which ought to be a really nice option, but I would love a modern 70 f/2 to complement it and would pay Otus level prices for it. I think an excellent fast wide angle would be great as well, something like a 45 f/2. There isn't anything like that for either system. If they started with just those two lenses I think
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Well the XCD 65mm is coming but no news on speed. HOPEFULLY it's an f/2 without a huge increase in size. Though I have a feeling it won't be one of the cheaper lenses they make, especially if it's fast.



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VilleK wrote:
I was able to try out X1D a few weeks ago and here are few photos I shot:

#1 X1D + XCD 3,2/90MM @ f/3.2, iso800, 1/160
http://vkphoto.sunlevy.com/X1D_samples/x1d_sample-1.jpg

#2 X1D + XCD 3,5/45MM @ f/3.5, iso800, 1/160
http://vkphoto.sunlevy.com/X1D_samples/x1d_sample-2.jpg

#3 X1D + XCD 3,2/90MM @ f/3.2, iso800, 1/80
http://vkphoto.sunlevy.com/X1D_samples/x1d_sample-3.jpg

#4 X1D + XCD 3,2/90MM @ f/8, iso100, 1/400
http://vkphoto.sunlevy.com/X1D_samples/x1d_sample-4.jpg

#5 X1D + XCD 3,2/90MM @ f/3.2, iso200, 1/250
http://vkphoto.sunlevy.com/X1D_samples/x1d_sample-5.jpg

#6 X1D + XCD 3,2/90MM @ f/16, iso100, 102 s
http://vkphoto.sunlevy.com/X1D_samples/x1d_sample-6.jpg

#7 X1D + XCD 3,5/45MM @ f/5.6, iso100, 1/500
http://vkphoto.sunlevy.com/X1D_samples/x1d_sample-7.jpg

I wrote a review of the camera but unfortunately it's in Finnish

I liked the camera Focus peaking when using autofocus was nice and the files are wonderful. I also liked the
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Very beautiful set of images. Thanks for sharing. I totally agree with glass speed. It would be a lot sexier if system offer f1.4 equivalent FF glass in the future. The glass so far are fine but limited with DOF and light gather.
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I would love for Zeiss to build a handful of lenses for miniMF. As you suggest a 70 f/2 would be fantastic. For now with the GFX I plan to pick up a Leica R 80 f/1.4 which ought to be a really nice option, but I would love a modern 70 f/2 to complement it and would pay Otus level prices for it. I think an excellent fast wide angle would be great as well, something like a 45 f/2. There isn't anything like that for either system. If they started with just those two lenses I think
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Agree with Zeiss should build lens for all miniFormat system. It is a perfect business model for them. (high price, low quantity) I'd like a fast glass used on S OVF (not trolling here at all)
Have you ever think about legendary Hassy 110mm f2? That was in my list for a while until I got 100cron, I think it has better value than overpriced contax 80f2 for the reason it is a real manual lens.
You need be careful about 80lux's sharpness though. I think it might need f2 to meet a reasonable threshold for GFX. After 12M D700, it just seems downgrade to another lens in term of sharpness, don't know why?
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Well the XCD 65mm is coming but no news on speed. HOPEFULLY it's an f/2 without a huge increase in size. Though I have a feeling it won't be one of the cheaper lenses they make, especially if it's fast.


Hei, I'd prefer speed with big size than other way around. I still believe miniMF bring more advantage on Portrait then Landscape. (IMHO, mainly talk about color, tone resolution and lens rendering at similar DOF)


Gordon, Beautiful images, please share more.

one more BW with 100cron








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continue Forest BW with 100cron

I remembered for that trip I brought both S007(loaner) and S006 and used S006 most of time especially for the time I have tripod with me. S006 still has its charming compare to S007's 'better' sensor. The direct shutter speed dial is also handy for shooting in manual. (S007 remove this important feature make it a rolling dial without mark like a canikony camera)








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